Kyron's backpack

[liz b.]

ITA.

And I believe the report that he had a jacket - this year being the second wettest June in Oregon's recorded history, I can believe he had a jacket that early in the morning to fight the damp.

ITA, and also, IIRC, wasn't it raining that morning ? His jacket being left in the classroom might be quite significant.. IMO

All JMO

 

[TGIRecovered]

ITA, and also, IIRC, wasn't it raining that morning ? His jacket being left in the classroom might be quite significant.. IMO

All JMO

KH could have had one of those disposable fold-up raincoats in her purse. I presume there would have been a few parents with other children too young for school. It wouldn't seem too strange to see a child covered up with a hooded raincoat, going out to the cars after walking with their parent inside to drop off the older child. All KH would have had to do is invent a reason for Kyron to run back out to the truck using the raincoat instead of retrieving his coat from the classroom. "Kyron, run out to the truck and fetch such and such, here use this (raincoat)". Kyron may have thought he was going to come right back inside before the science fair tour started.

 

[loves2bmom]

My son who is Kyron's age would have come home from school several times without his coat and backpack if it wasn't for the adults reminding him so I wouldn't necessarily rely on Kyron remembering them. It is a good point about him possibly attracting more attention if he went out without his jacket next to some other people all dressed up for the cold and the rain but of course it presupposes that somebody saw him at all.

If it was extremely premeditated the abductor could have come armed with another coat for him, both to shelter him from the cold and to distract. You know, if a witness says she saw a boy dressed in a red and white jacket climb into a truck, they can say, "No, it was not Kyron, it was some other boy, he's got a blue jacket and it was left at school anyway."

Yep, same here. You should see the coat area in each of my kids classrooms. Many kids forget stuff daily!!! This probably doesn't apply to Kyrons 2nd grade class, but in my kids older grades, they also change for PE. Each child brings a separate bag for clothing that is left there during the week. It would be really hard to tell if someone left behind a backpack during any one particular day.

 

[loves2bmom]

KH could have had one of those disposable fold-up raincoats in her purse. I presume there would have been a few parents with other children too young for school. It wouldn't seem too strange to see a child covered up with a hooded raincoat, going out to the cars after walking with their parent inside to drop off the older child. All KH would have had to do is invent a reason for Kyron to run back out to the truck using the raincoat instead of retrieving his coat from the classroom. "Kyron, run out to the truck and fetch such and such, here use this (raincoat)". Kyron may have thought he was going to come right back inside before the science fair tour started.

It wasn't raining hard that morning. Light mist and it was slightly chilly but not cold enough that it would be THAT unusual to see a kid without a coat. My kids often don't wear coats when I'm freezing.....just my :twocents:.

 

[i.b.nora]

He wouldn't need his backpack and jacket if he went from the bathroom to some place like the Boiler Room, for instance.

 

[lynmaree]

ITA, and also, IIRC, wasn't it raining that morning ? His jacket being left in the classroom might be quite significant.. IMO

All JMO

Isnt it possible that terri could have very easily brought two jackets and stored one below the stroller or in the baby's diaper bag? If she thought this out so well, bringing two would have been no big deal. My stroller has quite a bit of storage underneath and I often end up with my older sons belongings in there too.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

according to e-mails written by Horman and obtained first by KATU News.


“The teacher thought I said I was going to take Kyron with Kitty for a doctor’s appt.,” she wrote on June 5, 2010. “I said I was going to look at other exhibits - how do you mess that up? His coat and backpack were still at school. I left the school at 9 and he was seen with a man ‘chaperone’ and 2 girls after I left. There were no men on the chaperone list. That and it was highly chaotic - had to been 300 people running around - no coordination ...”



http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html

More alibi creating and setting up Skyline as the patsy: Leave the backpack at school. Say there was an unidentified man. IMNSHO

Totally agree. She made sure to mention having dropped his backpack and coat off -- then, she almost seems proud to say the backpack and coat were still there.

 

[debs]

Totally agree. She made sure to mention having dropped his backpack and coat off -- then, she almost seems proud to say the backpack and coat were still there.

Following the statement about how the teacher could mess it up that she was going to see other exhibits, into thinking she was taking Kyron to the dr with her and Kitty seems punctuated with "his backpack and coat were there." which I read as further evidence of how the teacher screwed up if she didn't even notice that his stuff was there, why wasn't she paying attention to where Kyron was.

I don't see any pride in any statement she makes. Hard to determine that from an email taken only in part.

 

[carbuff]

Totally agree. She made sure to mention having dropped his backpack and coat off -- then, she almost seems proud to say the backpack and coat were still there.

It's the kind of defensive thing that a person used to being blamed for things will say to try to fend off criticism, too. "I was a good mom, he had his coat and backpack, he was in good hands, it wasn't my fault." I even hear this said in the whiny voice of a mother I used to know...

 

[gardeness]

At my kids' school they have several tables in the foyer which are completely covered with lost and found lunch boxes, backpacks, jackets, t-shirts, books and more. These tables stay full, sometimes piled to overflowing! They remind parents and children to look through these items several times a year to see if it belongs to their child. Still, we donate what is left over every year to charity. I suspect that most of these items are found in the lunchroom, halls, gym and in the area outside where kids wait for busses and parents to pick them up.

Maybe items which are left in their own classrooms are more likely to be returned to the proper owner, but I am surprized to read the experiences of teachers here at WS who have never had a child leave personal items in their classroom. I guess it depends upon the size of the classes and dilligence of the teacher.

In my experience, I taught early childhood and elementary-aged children. We prepared to leave as a class, and it was just my standard procedure to eye the hooks, cubbies, and classroom before leaving. The children were then escorted to their pre-arranged places for pick-up. This isn't to say that my students never left anything at the *school*--wherever they were sitting for pick-up, or at the after-school program--just not in my actual classroom.

When a child checked-out for a dr. appt. or anything else, they took their belongings with them. If they were in the nurses office (ill) before leaving, I was notified and I sent their belongings to the office.

 

[nonfictionrocks]

In my experience, I taught early childhood and elementary-aged children. We prepared to leave as a class, and it was just my standard procedure to eye the hooks, cubbies, and classroom before leaving. The children were then escorted to their pre-arranged places for pick-up. This isn't to say that my students never left anything at the *school*--wherever they were sitting for pick-up, or at the after-school program--just not in my actual classroom.

When a child checked-out for a dr. appt. or anything else, they took their belongings with them. If they were in the nurses office (ill) before leaving, I was notified and I sent their belongings to the office.

At the school where both my boys attend, I have received calls from the school asking me if it is okay to removed the "hoodie" one of my boys came to school in as it is now too hot for them to be wearing it. Neither of them have ever left their jackets or backpacks at school, though they both on occasion have left their lunch bags and/or agendas in their desks overnight or over a weekend on the lunch bags! One boy is a year younger and the other a year older than Kyron. Maybe we have been lucky and have always had caring and perceptive teachers - JMO

 

[liz b.]

Isnt it possible that terri could have very easily brought two jackets and stored one below the stroller or in the baby's diaper bag? If she thought this out so well, bringing two would have been no big deal. My stroller has quite a bit of storage underneath and I often end up with my older sons belongings in there too.

TH had the stroller in the school with her that morning ? I didn't know that. Do you have a link for that ? TIA...

All JMO

 

[ThoughtFox]

I mean - do we even know for sure that Kyron brought his backpack home the day before? It could have been hanging in the classroom for several days for all we know. We don't know how long his jacket was there either, do we?

ETA: I'm not taking TH's word for this because her purpose is obviously self-serving and she wants to blame the teacher. But the fact that the coat and backpack were there is not "proof" of anything, in my opinion.

ETA2: Look at TH's purpose - to prove that LE are deluded, the teacher was stupid, Kaine was checked-out, and Kyron was a scatterbrained child who needed a doctor. See what I mean? Only Terri was the genius who understood everything and yet she is being victimized by all these stupid people. I'm not buyin' it.

My two older children were terrible about leaving stuff at school - gloves, scarves, toys, anything. And in every classroom at our school there was a big box for lost and found, plus a box in the office, plus one in the cafeteria.

And in my experience, one of the main things children forget are their jackets because they wouldn't want to put them back on if the day was warm. Plus, my son and daughter too would leave jackets and sweaters and hoodies on the playground. Every year at my kids elementary schools they would tell people to come in and check lost and found or they were going to give the coats away to charity.