Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week beginning Oct 13, 2014 - Trial Thread #2

[BorgQueen]

Actually I found it interesting that it appears there were only two people other than LM ever in his apartment in the two months or so that he lived there. One was likely trial run guy whom has never been identified and the other was Jun Lin. Did LM just move to Montreal from the Toronto area in March? Or is that just what he told his landlord? And if he just moved there, was the move part of the plan? He was probably more well known in the escort and gay club scene in Toronto right? So someone might have recognized him with his victim? Was this move part of his attempt to conceal his identity to make this "film"?

MOO

Oh, I found that interesting, too. Which makes me wonder where all this other 'unidentified' DNA was coming from. Is it all from the same person (the 'one other')?

 

[Kamille]

Oh, I found that interesting, too. Which makes me wonder where all this other 'unidentified' DNA was coming from. Is it all from the same person (the 'one other')?

Well so far we haven't seen anyone else on the stand who admits to being in his apartment so perhaps it is all from the unidentified man?

 

[Little Jedi]

:thinking:
Soooo .... 'Unknown Guys' DNA doesn't seem to be on record.

Have any images from the CCTV been released ?

This guys really needs to be found, if only for LE to be able to establish he's ok !

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Does anyone know if we will ever get to see Luka in the courtroom? I'm curious to see his reactions and body language etc.

We will only have artists' renditions of him. No cameras in Canadian courts. (And he's 50 pounds heavier!)

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I'm seriously wondering why LE cannot locate "unknown guy". Is he dead/murdered? Where did LRM meet him? Is he also from Montreal? They need to find him........:thinking:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

TRIAL WEEK #3 - 15 OCTOBER:

https://twitter.com/sleeCJAD

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I honestly advise anyone who hasn't seen it to think again !!
:fear:

Please read this post ( with a link to 'gallery of stills') first lease:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...***DISCUSSION-OF-THE-VIDEO-ONLY***&p=10792201

If you still really want to see it ~ *Gore_Grish_Magnotta*

Please Remember ~ Once Seen Can Never Be Un-Seen

It's Heartbreaking !

Hi:

Sorry if I'm coming off like a wuss or a prude here - but would you PLEASE be kind enough to move this post to the "graphic" section? At least there, I won't be tempted to have a look.

Many thanks,
NSU :tyou:

 

[Kamille]

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 56m 56 minutes ago

#Magnotta trial about to start. Continuation of testimony of forensic biologist Jacinthe Prévost. I am here...


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 53m 53 minutes ago

Judge is here, taking care of a few issues with lawyers before jury arrives #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 38m 38 minutes ago

The jury is here. Judge telling them that on Monday they will sit until 11, then 2:30-4:30. May sit Friday Oct. 24 too #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 38m 38 minutes ago

Witnesses come from different places and scheduling them is not as easy as we would like, judge says. #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 36m 36 minutes ago

Prévost's testimony continues. All sperm stains were analyzed, she says. None matched DNA of Lin Jun #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 36m 36 minutes ago

Cross examination by defence Luc Leclair now. #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 35m 35 minutes ago

We're looking after photos of #Magnotta apartment again. Leclair offers witness box of latex gloves


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 34m 34 minutes ago

Prévost said she watched video to compare it with apartment, whether things had been moved etc. #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 31m 31 minutes ago

Prévost removing wine bottle from paper evidence bag, holding it up #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 30m 30 minutes ago

Prévost using paper towel to wipe scissors she used to cut bag open #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 30m 30 minutes ago

Bottle had been found in garbage bag outside #magnotta apartment. Took sample from bottle opening, she says


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 28m 28 minutes ago

Looked for blood and sperm on it but didn't find anything but did find DNA that matched that of Lin Jun #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 28m 28 minutes ago

DNA could have come from saliva or other cells, not necessarily from the mouth. The bottle came in contact with his body #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 25m 25 minutes ago

It as only Lin Jun's DNA on the wine bottle, witness says #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 23m 23 minutes ago

Leclair now pulling out poster of movie Casablanca which was found in garbage #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 21m 21 minutes ago

Prévost took samples from the S in Casablanca and from the back of poster. Found blood on back; Lin Jun's DNA in substance on front#Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 21m 21 minutes ago

Leclair now holding the poster up in front of the jury #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 20m 20 minutes ago

The poster was on the wall over head of bed on the video, Prévost says #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 18m 18 minutes ago

Witness now being asked about cleaning/smearing of blood #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 17m 17 minutes ago

Could have been caused by rubbing against door, not necessarily caused by cleaning, she says #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 16m 16 minutes ago

There was blood visible in bathroom. In sink, stains looked more like something being cleaned. #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 13m 13 minutes ago

wasn't a lot of blood visible on floor, even with Luminol. I've had many dismembered bodies - usually lots of blood on floor, she says


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 11m 11 minutes ago

In bathtub and shower curtain, there were blood drops which suggests a lot of water went into tub for blood to drain, witness says#Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 11m 11 minutes ago

Witness saw blood all over the tub when she used Luminol #magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 9m 9 minutes ago

No evidence of cleaning in the kitchen, Prévost says. But there was blood #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 8m 8 minutes ago

In fridge, blood under veg crisper, visible without moving the drawer. Still liquid. #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 8m 8 minutes ago

Blood in freezer not as obvious, she says #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 6m 6 minutes ago

Drawer under oven dirty with dried, greasy food. It's been there a long time. Bits of hair too. No clean roots to do analysis tho #magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 6m 6 minutes ago

It just looked like an oven that hadn't been cleaned, witness says #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 5m 5 minutes ago

Now looking at small dining table now. Luminol showed lots of blood on it, witness says #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 4m 4 minutes ago

Can't say if it was cleaned. A small blood stain beside Real Lemon bottle but with Luminol there was a lot #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 4m 4 minutes ago

Since the bottle wasn't stained with blood, assume it was placed after, witness says #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 3m 3 minutes ago

Found DNA of two people on bottle and that of #Magnotta can't be excluded, Prévost says

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 11m11 minutes ago
Number of items where she found combo of DNA profiles? Bathroom sink: 2 incl #JunLin. Poss #Magnotta or someone else.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 5m5 minutes ago
With Lin Jun's DNA from his toothbrush, they could either match it or exclude him. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 5m5 minutes ago
More than 50,000 DNA samples in Canadian bank, witness says #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 5m5 minutes ago
If we have two soups and mix them together, we can't tell from which soup the noodles came, witness says #magnotta

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness gives lesson in DNA science to defence lawyer Luc Leclair #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Bed cover, duvet cover, displaced to cover things up but not cleaned. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
Not sure the mattress was cleaned, maybe it was because there were marks on it, but that could have been from decomposition too #Magnotta

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 2m2 minutes ago
Leclair asked about the bedsheets. Whether they were too big for the bed and if one normally buy ones that fit. Prevost: Yes. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Brown bed sheet placed haphazardly underneath mattress. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
So no cleaning here with bed coverings? Yes. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
And no #JunLin sperm? Looked, analyzed. But doesn't mean there were no sexual relations? No. Defence done.#Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
That's the end of this testimony. We are taking morning break - back at 11:10 #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 18m18 minutes ago
Break is over. Crown will call his next witness, Antonio Paradiso. Montreal Police officer for almost 27 years. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 18m18 minutes ago
May 29, 2012 went to briefing re homicide. Torso found in suitcase. Male. Found by Mr Nadeau #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 17m17 minutes ago
Paradiso met with janitor and landlord at Decarie Blvd apt. Learned about surveillance cameras in building. Called in techs #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 17m17 minutes ago
Paradiso spent about an hour looking at images. Had to check at pharmacy about human foot mailed on May 25, 2012 from Jean Coutu #magnotta

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 15m15 minutes ago
Pharmacy mngr game him video imagines of person in post office. Video matched that of the person on the tape in the apt. building. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 15m15 minutes ago
Went to crime tech to get copy of video that had been posted online. Watched it sporadically, Paradiso said. Didn't watch to end #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 15m15 minutes ago
Met with friend of Lin Jun's that night after being given missing person's report #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 14m14 minutes ago
Finished morning of May 30, at office May 31. Accused was supposed to return to Trudeau airport June 1. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 14m14 minutes ago
Flight 411 Air Transat, #Magnotta not on that flight.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 14m14 minutes ago
Paradiso is also the one who seized items at Jun Lin's apartment for DNA comparison #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 13m13 minutes ago
Dong Dong Xu had called to say he thought it was his friend on video. Paradiso met with him on May 31. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 13m13 minutes ago
Paradiso went to Lin Jun's workplace (dep) and to St Mathieu apartment. Boss said Lin had worked on May 24 #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 12m12 minutes ago
Victims parents came to Montreal June 5 and Paradiso met them on June 6. Compared DNA and confirmed identity #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 12m12 minutes ago
July 1, 2012 Paradiso noticed fax from law office in Ontario. Said if I followed directions I could find what I was looking for #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 11m11 minutes ago
Three-page fax from lawyer Feldstein: "you may find what you're looking for by following these directions" #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 11m11 minutes ago
Google searched for Angrignon Park. Witness also shown faxes. Submitted into evidence. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 11m11 minutes ago
Message gives detailed directions from Angrignon metro to park and through park. Paradiso arrived at park 10 a.m #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 11m11 minutes ago
Fax also said bottom of pond, on right, by tall grass, two feet from water, you'll find what you're looking for. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 10m10 minutes ago
But when witness went with partner, they found three ponds so it wouldn't be easy. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 9m9 minutes ago
Longueuil cop showed up with dog. Paradiso now showing Google map of park #Magnotta

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 7m7 minutes ago
Paradiso is showing his route through Angrignon park toward the head. Was with an officer from Longueuil and that cop's dog. #Magnotta

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 7m7 minutes ago
He followed a certain path in the park along with a dog. Started at 3:10 and at about 4:40,the dog located the missing body part. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 7m7 minutes ago
Crown done. Defence's turn. #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 6m6 minutes ago
Paradiso went to Berlin on June 18th for the investigation #Magnotta

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 7m7 minutes ago
Paradiso went to Berlin to bring #Magnotta back. Says he was told of the possibility, then made official June 16.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 6m6 minutes ago
Paradiso came back from Berlin with #Magnotta in handcuffs

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 5m5 minutes ago
May 29, 2012 briefing:witness says they were told about torso in suitcase in alleyway near 5309 Lucy, poss male,found by janitor. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Never went inside apt 208? No. Aware media went in? Before police? Not aware. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 5m5 minutes ago
Did you know press went into apt before the police, Leclair asks Paradiso. I didn't know that, he says #magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
No psychologists, psychiatrists as consultants at that time? No. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
But you had them as consultants later? Witness doesn't understand question. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Rephrased question. Witness not aware of psychs used as consultants in case. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Role in case? Supporting investigator, helping two chief investigators.#Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
And there were many officers, Leclair says. There are many aspects of the case I'm not aware of, Paradiso says #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Name of #Magnotta, when come up? On May 29. Saw list of occupants in apt building. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Heard about pieces of paper found with name of #Magnotta and the name clicked.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
I was told papers had been found with name of Rocco Magnotta, Paradiso says. Honestly I thought that was the victim #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness says made the link a few days later. Defence suggests it was earlier. #Magnotta

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 48s48 seconds ago
July 1: found the missing body part- head? Paradiso: "that's right." Only saw #Magnotta for first time when arrived at place in Berlin.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 51s52 seconds ago
Believe it was the 18th, 2:20 pm, Berlin police brought #Magnotta to the plane.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 48s49 seconds ago
There when price discussed of airplane, cost per hour? Witness doesn't recall. #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 47s48 seconds ago
#Magnotta lawyer focusing a lot on the police investigation team, who was in charge, how many, who went to Berlin to retrieve the accused.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
Plane was a couple of hours late because of mechanical problems. What kind? Leclair asks. Is that relevant, Crown asks #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

Once again Leclair wasting time with inane questions. Hope he gets to questions about his client's behaviour and demeanor.

 

[Salem]

Hey Everybody - just a quick reminder to link to any graphic materials and not post them openly on the thread. You can also post them in the media thread or one of the other threads. Not everybody likes to view the graphics and when you come across one unexpectedly that is violent, it can ruin a person's whole day. So please remember your fellow posters and use warnings and links.

Thanks so much,

Salem

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Brought #Magnotta to plane, escort upstairs, arrested him, read him rights.He already spoke to lawyer, cited right to remain silent.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
Shackled hands and feet. There was a psychiatrist on board. We put #Magnotta in seat. large plane with two aisles. he was in 27E

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
#Magnotta asked about psychiatrist being present.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
Sat in rear of plane with detectives on either side of #Magnotta Leclair putting microphone on now so jury can hear better

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
#Magnotta is seated in the center of the plane. Witness there with partner, waiting for the plane to take off. Accused went to washroom twice.

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 2m2 minutes ago
#Magnotta was seated and even though plane was delayed 2 hrs, he just sat there and waited for takeoff.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
What happened during the delay? Not much. Twice he went to washroom and twice he had a meal, Paradiso says. #Magnotta

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 2m2 minutes ago
Paradiso: #Magnotta went to the bathroom twice and ate. I cut his food. He slept most of the flight. He was very quiet, very cooperative.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Was polite to you? Yes. He didn't say much, very cooperative, slept most of the time. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
#Magnotta slept most of flight. Very quiet, very co-operative, went to washroom, nothing special, Paradiso says.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Defence done. Witness done. #Magnotta

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 2m2 minutes ago
And that's it for Paradiso. Next witness coming into court room. #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Crown's 16th witness: toxicologist Catherine Lavallee. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
Leclair asks for two minutes to find his notes because he didn't know this was the next witness #Magnotta

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 1m1 minute ago
Lavallee is now being asked to go over her experience and past work. This is done for purposes of making her an expert.#Magnotta

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 1m1 minute ago
Once she becomes an expert, then she can also offer her opinion like with Daze and Prevost. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
Now Leclair asking to take lunch break early so he can "organize" himself for this witness. Crown confirms he was advised late #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
#Magnotta resumes at 1:45

 

[Little Jedi]

Hi:

Sorry if I'm coming off like a wuss or a prude here - but would you PLEASE be kind enough to move this post to the "graphic" section? At least there, I won't be tempted to have a look.

Many thanks,
NSU :tyou:

:wave:
Just want to clarify this ~ The links WILL NOT take you directly to anything graphic or the actual video

The link is to a post in the * **GRAPHIC**- Luka Rocco Magnotta:1st deg murder: ***DISCUSSION OF THE VIDEO ONLY***
which has a link for 'stills'

The other part is 'hint' to do a search to where the video can still be seen.

Sorry for any confusion !

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Why so many (two as I read it) "unknown people/DNA" involved here? If Leclair uses that as a reason to find him 'not guilty' I'll scream my lungs out! Really.......:tantrum:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

:wave:
Just want to clarify this ~ The links WILL NOT take you directly to anything graphic or the actual video

The link is to a post in the * **GRAPHIC**- Luka Rocco Magnotta:1st deg murder: ***DISCUSSION OF THE VIDEO ONLY***
which has a link for 'stills'

The other part is 'hint' to do a search to where the video can still be seen.

Sorry for any confusion !

It's OK. In fact, I confuse easily!! :hilarious:

 

[Kamille]

Domenic Fazioli ‏@DomenicFazioli · 33m33 minutes ago
Luc Leclair tells reporters Luka #Magnotta is "devastated" by death of attorney Pierre Panaccio

Apparently this was a colleague of Leclair's that also worked on this case? Devastated? Pretty inappropriate considering why they are there in the first place. Some things are better left unsaid IMO.

He passed away on Sunday from cancer... age 61. RIP Monsieur Panaccio :rose:

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/j...83-deces-du-criminaliste-pierre-panaccio-.php

 

[Kamille]

Why so many (two as I read it) "unknown people/DNA" involved here? If Leclair uses that as a reason to find him 'not guilty' I'll scream my lungs out! Really.......:tantrum:

I'm not seeing that? I'm seeing that they had LM's DNA and JL's DNA. They were able to confirm whether certain "stains" and other items contained the DNA of either of them or neither of them. If it was neither of them, they called it an unidentified person. Some were too decomposed or contaminated to determine anything. I think it's likely that the ones that didn't contain DNA from either of them is either from the unknown guy or other people who may have been in his apt (although we've not seen or heard of any others who were in his apt) or from past tenants perhaps. I think Leclair is trying to suggest that there were reporters in there before LE got in to do their testing, therefore contaminating the scene anyway. Why...when his client has confessed...I don't know.

MOO