Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #21

[21merc7]

There has been discussion in the public about a German consultant finding security issues with the HW NZ 2000 using a desktop computer.
The FAA has stated the described "hack" does not work on certified flight hardware, cannot engage or control the autopilot nor prevent pilots from disengaging the A/P and flying manually.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-04-12/hacking-an-airplane-with-only-an-android-phone

No one said a hack must be from a smart phone. Hacks are much larger.

Have no idea what happened here, most likely mechanical issue(s), however, I think we all know hacking anything that is computer based, including planes, is very simple for those that choose. Why would they choose to kill 239 innocent people? That is always beyond my understanding, and Malaysia was fine with their monetary failing airlines. No need to harm them. Their government was already exposed, like many larger governments. A plane makes no sense. Malaysia may be controlled, but not on the way to world power. Clearly, news tells us all can take boats to AU, if willing to brave the ocean.

 

[ElleElle]

I've been wondering about this. Having the technical capacity to track the plane and having someone watching and interpreting that information are two very different things. If you think about the volume of air traffic that is typically in the air, if air traffic control doesn't keep on top of it then I doubt any other agency is going to be keeping track of every commercial flight at any given time.

If that is the case, there is a huge flaw in monitoring, air travel. JMO.

I also wondered if someone on the ground "fell asleep at the wheel", since this could be routine.

 

[panthera]

The ocean seems to be more than we can comprehend or have any that recall. My father did recall. He was navy, in subs.

The ocean is incredibly deeper than we can comprehend, incredibly violent ocean. All that have water jobs know.

When you go to the beach and see waves larger than a house, you can double or triple that for the Indian Ocean. Close to tsumani at all times, a planetary vortex. Keep in mind that right now it is freezing cold too.

Thank you for the reminder. Of all the places this plane could have gone down, it is in an area nearly impossible to search due to the conditions you stated and the vastness of that particular body of water. It truly is a miracle anyone has narrowed down the area believed to be the crash site. Debris, however, may be thousands of feet below sea level.



MOO

 

[Gerontion]

I just hope the weather there cooperates for the next 2 or 3 days at least.

Indeed. This news about pings being picked up is flimsy at best. And it is revealing that the direction of the search is being swayed by this itty-bit of information. It is not much to hang a hat on, but is the best evidence at the moment. They must be weighing this very seriously. The next two or three days could be pivotal, and an opportunity not to be missed.

 

[aa9511]

37 mins ago
twitter

josée rose@jcr616
british ship hms echo arrives in area where pings heard during #mh370 search - @bbcnews http://t.co/nr5nwmqbgp

yes!!!!

 

[21merc7]

Thank you for the reminder. Of all the places this plane could have gone down, it is in an area nearly impossible to search due to the conditions you stated and the vastness of that particular body of water. It truly is a miracle anyone has narrowed down the area believed to be the crash site. Debris, however, may be thousands of feet below sea level.



MOO

I know. The cosmos makes it so, and that is the spot on this particular grain of sand called planet earth. It is what it is.... And we are witnessing a miracle....It will take time.....

 

[Archangel7]

No one said a hack must be from a smart phone. Hacks are much larger.

Have no idea what happened here, most likely mechanical issue(s), however, I think we all know hacking anything that is computer based, including planes, is very simple for those that choose. Why would they choose to kill 239 innocent people? That is always beyond my understanding, and Malaysia was fine with their monetary failing airlines. No need to harm them. Their government was already exposed, like many larger governments. A plane makes no sense. Malaysia may be controlled, but not on the way to world power. Clearly, news tells us all can take boats to AU, if willing to brave the ocean.

The FAA is aware that a German information technology consultant has alleged he has detected a security issue with the Honeywell NZ-2000 Flight Management System (FMS) using only a desktop computer,” said Les Dorr, FAA spokesman, in a statement to TheDC.

Nor did I infer only a smart phone, the article when read says desktop computer. Which would qualify as a larger hack?

 

[JerseyGirl]

Sky's Alistair Bunkall said HMS Echo would begin its search after carrying out preliminary environmental tests tonight. "Before she starts listening for the black box, HMS Echo must basically work out what other sounds are out there to calibrate her systems," he said.[/B]

Australia's ADV Ocean Shield, which is carrying sophisticated equipment designed to pick up signals, has reported a separate "acoustic event" some 345 miles (555km) away. However, marine salvage expert Captain John Noble has told Sky News this is "almost certain" to not be linked to the Chinese detection.

A Chinese air force plane has also spotted a number of white floating objects in the area, said Chinese state news agency Xinhua.

Mr Houston added there has been a correction to satellite data that is being used to calculate the plane's likely flight path.

Starting on Monday, the southern part of the current search zone will be a higher priority than the northern section.

http://www.klfm967.co.uk/news/world-news/1249902/missing-plane-searchers-hopeful-on-ship-signal/

 

[Prosecution_Rests]

I've been gone for a few days but what's the general consensus as far as this being an intentional act?

 

[21merc7]

The FAA is aware that a German information technology consultant has alleged he has detected a security issue with the Honeywell NZ-2000 Flight Management System (FMS) using only a desktop computer,” said Les Dorr, FAA spokesman, in a statement to TheDC.

Nor did I infer only a smart phone, the article when read says desktop computer. Which would qualify as a larger hack?

(been sayin' that from the start)
I understand that, 'splain it to everyone here.

 

[Supernovae]

I've been gone for a few days but what's the general consensus as far as this being an intentional act?

I honestly don't know any more.

 

[JerseyGirl]

The pinger locater that Chinese searchers are using in the quest for Malaysia Flight 370 is a $16,000, U.S.-made device typically used by divers to find lost marine equipment in relatively shallow waters. But the Massachusetts manufacturer says it’s possible the machine could detect pulses from an airplane “black box” lost in the ocean several miles deep.

Thomas Altshuler, vice president and group general manager of Teledyne Marine Systems, said his company was aware that China had purchased several of its pinger locaters in the past but did not know how or where authorities were using the equipment.

The pinger locater the crew was using is designed for divers to search at depths up to 600 feet; in this case, it had an adapter that allows it to be hung it off the side of a boat. But the depth rating relates more to the pressure the housing can withstand, Altshuler said, rather than the distance at which pings could be detected.

Australian officials said Sunday ocean depths in the area where the Chinese crews reported detecting the pulses could be up to 4,500 meters, or about 14,700 feet.

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http://www.latimes.com/world/worldn...pinger-20140406,0,5555586.story#ixzz2y8FCgVqq

 

[cluciano63]

I hope this ocean is not some weird pinging field...just seems odd that pinging was heard almost as soon as locaters were put to use...

 

[Gerontion]

BBM

Yes, that would be nerve racking. The ping is activated by impact or immersion.

Ahh. Of course. Thank you. Doh.
Do you happen to know if an activated ping is an actual acoustic event detectable by the human ear? Or only detectable by the instrument known as a locator?

 

[TracyLynnS]

Throughout the discussion here about what happened to MH370, several people have mentioned the Helios flight (back in 2005) where hypoxia, among a mess of other things, caused the plane to crash.

I'm about 12 minutes into the youtube video of the program that explained what happened. I also watched it on TV back when it first aired.

According to them, when the ground could no longer communicate with the pilots, their first assumptions were hijack and terrorism. They scrambled military jets to intercept the plane.

Is that protocol everywhere? Would Malaysia, or some other country have assumed a hijack or terrorist situation, once communications stopped?

If so, and if they did what the military did in the Helios case, where the military assessed the situation by observing the cockpit (no visual confirmation of movement by pilots or terrorists), then observed the cabin (no response by any of the passengers that they were surrounded by military planes), then back to the cockpit, when they saw the flight attendant attempting to maintain control of the plane, they would have escorted the plane to it's end: crash into the ocean where loss of life would be minimal compared to crashing in a populated area on land; or shoot it down in the safest place possible.

If some country's military followed and/or shot this plane down, they know where it is, just like the Helios flight.

Unless incompetence ran rampant, no one noticed anything was wrong, and MH370 went on it's way to where ever it may be at this time.

 

[21merc7]

I hope this ocean is not some weird pinging field...just seems odd that pinging was heard almost as soon as locaters were put to use...

Frequency.

Like radio (including phones), satellite, whale or dolphin and any unknown critters, like voices, frequency. Limited. Must make changes to black boxes, jmo....

 

[Prosecution_Rests]

Frequency.

Like radio (including phones), satellite, whale or dolphin and any unknown critters, like voices, frequency. Limited. Must make changes to black boxes, jmo....

Excellent point. Simply put, it could be a number of things.

 

[21merc7]

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According to them, when the ground could no longer communicate with the pilots, their first assumptions were hijack and terrorism. They scrambled military jets to intercept the plane.

Is that protocol everywhere? .

Respectfully snipped,

No, not protocol everywhere. Certain areas controlled by others, in this area, many. That makes it even more difficult.

If a plane went down in France, it would be found within a few days, U.S. a few days, anywhere that communicates a few days. The Indian Ocean is wide open to all and none, for reasons, and not. But not always monitored, it is HUGE territory, it is watched but not. A map of the world, a bit of knowledge of the areas owned, explains most. Other than the fact that that portion of the planet is unforgiving and unwilling ocean in and of nature alone.

 

[JerseyGirl]

The Australian navy vessel Ocean Shield is seen dragging the towed ping locator

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26912071

 

[panthera]

I've been gone for a few days but what's the general consensus as far as this being an intentional act?

That thought does remain in my mind. One could not have chosen a better place than the Indian Ocean, imo, for this plane to go down with slim chances of being fully recovered. Hopefully though, against odds, an answer will come.

MOO