Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #19

[raisincharlie]

http://www.630ched.com/Channels/Reg/...spx?ID=1021081



A month after former Edmonton-area woman Nancy Cooper was murdered in North Carolina police say they are making "good progress" in identifying her killer. Carey Police Chief Pat Bazemore says: "I want to express my absolute confidence that we will solve this terrible crime and bring the person or persons responsible to justice". Investigators may be waiting for the result of DNA analysis that could point them at a killer. Meanwhile, Nancy Cooper's family here in the Edmonton area has re-applied to have her husband Brad forced to undergo a psychological assessment. A hearing on the new application will be held on September 22nd...weeks before a custody hearing resumes for Cooper's two daughters Bella and Katie.

Local Edmonton radio station


This is from a local radio station. I have not read the statement I bolded anywhere else ?? Did I miss that ?

Don't think you missed it. It does not seem to be included in the N & O or WRAL articles. But it makes sense.

 

[EntreNous]

+1

The Rentz's holding a press conference on their own at a location they secure and inviting LE is one thing. LE hosting the PC in a town facility, inviting the family, and saying "We don't have anything to say. Here's the family..." is completely inappropriate.

Welcome to WS Cygnusx1. Is your nic of the star variety or "A Farewell To Kings" variety?

My nic is of the "Permanent Waves" variety.

 

[ncsu95]

Oh, I know you didn't mention abuse in your post. But that's MY point.

Money control WAS part of the abuse.

No matter what Nancy did, Brad overpowered her through threats or intimidation. She was beaten down. She may have had SOME freedom, but IMO, it was most likely only when Brad allowed it.

Nancy was also from a different country and her residency status was directly tied to Brad's job and his legal status. Nancy was trapped. She was trapped in a foreign country.

I don't believe any or all of the solutions that U.S. citizens could come up with or available to them apply here. I think this is something, at least for me, I don't know the procedures. Imagine having to deal with the volatile marriage day to day and know that just the wrong move and you could be deported, minus your children. She must have been terrified.

Nancy was Brad's victim and now she's dead.

I do not know how much of the marriage woes were Nancy's fault. But the fact that she's dead and one survived, I tend to think that she was out of her league. That's just me...

By all accounts Nancy's friends all say she was a really nice persone, etc. Her NOT loving husband said all sorts of NOT nice things about her. Of course, IMO, that's because he's trying to cover his bu** and the allegations of abuse which point to him as the perp.

Until there's an arrest, it runs 50/50. We'll just agree to disagree.

JMHO
fran

PS....And I DO believe Brad had EVERYTHING to do with Nancy being successful in business or not. HE held the purse strings and he used it to his FULL ADVANTAGE. Even to forcing Nancy and the kids to eat at friends. Yeah, he was a really indulgent husband. NOT...fran

You really do come to some strong conclusions. Did you know these people? She certainly didn't seem controlled to me. She visited family regularly (most controllers isolate the abused party from family and friends). The had a lot of friends. She went on lots of vacations without her husband. She went jogging with friends. She stayed out late with friends. So he cut off credit card access, which is a good thing considering the amount of debt they had...and he took the kids passports. They are his kids too....why is that such a bad thing? I wouldn't want my wife taking my kids back to Canada where I would never see them. It's sounds like all of these Lochmere ladies could be living on Wisteria Lane.

 

[sunflowers]

IF the only trips Brad Cooper made to the grocery store the morning hours of July 12, the day Nancy went missing, were the ones mentioned in his affidavits and I understand to LE, then why would he need to obtain copies of the grocery store surveillance cameras?

Could it be that this educated person who plans his every move, had FORGOTTEN about the cameras and actually gone to the store BEFORE daylight? Could his FIRST or ONLY visit to the store that morning been at just after 4:00 a.m. and the only purchase be laundry detergent? What would be the implication of this difference of the NOT suspects embellishment of the mornings movements?

Just wonderin'

fran

i'm figuring they want what's on the cameras so they can plan their defense. lawyers need to know EXACTLY what the facts are that can be confirmed through cameras, receips, etc.

it is curious, though, that somebody--no matter how stressed they are---wouldn't know that all of the grocery stores in this area have surveillance cameras. when you walk into this particular HT, you see yourself walking in on the cameras & the image of yourself is front & center.

i used to go there a lot late at night, & only the entrance on the Kildare Farm side was open after a certain hour. Also, back then (over 3 years ago), there was a security guard present in the middle of the night. When I asked about it, a HT employee told me it was just a security measure for their employees & customers who might want to be escorted out to their car.

apparently there isn't a security person anymore, though, or somebody (mom etc) would have mentioned it.

but, it's puzzling that--assuming this early am HT trip is true--BC wouldn't have grabbed something in addition to detergent w bleach so that he would have a cover (have to have diapers, etc). And the cameras & signs about the cameras are everywhere---so if BC did the 4 or so a.m. trip, he wasn't thinking & went back to cover his tracks.

When LE found Nancy's body, they declared she had been murdered. So there will be info in the autopsy that will be extremely helpful to BC's attorneys in terms of how Nancy died.

puzzling, though, that a smart person--no matter how stressed---wouldn't throw in a potentially necessary item like diapers or milk, etc, if he was buying detergent w bleach "to cover his tracks".

 

[Anderson]

I know we the general public get frustrated when LE holds a press conference and says 'nothing new.' I've seen it a hundred times. Then you ask yourself, 'they why are you even having this presser?'

Then when they allow the family to get up and they talk about 'personal things regarding the victim,' many may think that's 'inappropriate.'

IMHO, I can't even imagine how these every-day people are able to suddenly deal with the onslaught of sometimes hundreds of reporters, cameras, etc., suddenly being in their face and scrutinizing their every move. It must be a shock to their system. Most investigations may have a reporter or two approach for a newspaper article, but to be followed every time you open a door and a microphone thrust at you,..........well,...........I would find it annoying.

IMO, LE did the best they could to keep the public informed of the up to date info, without jeopradizing the investigation.

OTOH, once it was deemed a murder, many people were concerned about the family and most especially about the little ones. Then there's also the dynamics of the shocked family losing their loved one and the hurtful words being thrown around. Yes, even about suspecting the husband of the crime. I'm sure, especially IF he's innocent, this has felt like a nightmare.

This was the only chance for this family to get out that Nancy was a wonderful person and the girls are doing as well as can be expected and that they're the #1 priority of the friends and family. I believe they also got the word out about the memorial services that were going to be held within the next few days. IIRC, there was also a statement to the effect this would be the last presser. (in other words, 'back off now.')

To repeat the old cliche, no one knows how you'd act in this same situation. Everyone grieves in their own way. Just like many are justifying the actions and words of the grieving husband during this time, IMO, the family should be given the same sort of pass.

This is one situation where I would NOT want to find out how I would react.

JMHO
fran

I want to clarify something. My original post was a response to the idea that if Brad attended the funeral, then he would have contributed to a "media circus". I actually think that by not attending, he contributed to the media story surrounding the murder; this fuelled controversy. The media responds to drama. It has to be a good story. That is why some victims are hardly reported at all. My MAIN point is that it may have been a good public relations tool for Brad to attend the funeral. It may have looked better for him to be supportive on that day, rather than oppositional ("Brad Fights Back"; I can't find the link anymore to this story that was reported on the the day of the funeral). So, my points were mainly related to the media story and public relations, rather than grieving. Of course this doesn't have anything to do with whether or not he did it . . .

I agree that people have a right to grieve in different ways, as I have said on a previous post. The comment that I made yesterday was a response to the other poster's opinion, and I can see that I should not have said what I think Brad should have done. I have already apologized for that in an earlier thread. :blushing: I honestly did not mean to offend anyone and it was only my own opinion.

 

[EntreNous]

The thing is none of us can say what a guilty man would or wouldn't think of to do. Just nerves alone can cause the best of us to do certain things and forget about other things that would seem obvious to a calmed person. The only thing I would think is that they wouldn't be thinking all that clearly. Since I do think one would go into a kind of "panic mode", I think their actions would be inconsistent unless they're some calm, cool hitman.

What makes me think this is when my mother died suddenly. I could remember to do so many things in those first few hours and days. I put her funeral together, made all the phone calls to notify family, etc. But I could not remember to shut my car door. I went to a shop to buy a dress for her funeral, came out and there was the door standing wide open. I went home to take care of some household things, when next I left the house I found the car door wide open. There were many more basic things that, out of stress, wasn't thinking of when ordinarily I would have, but I won't bore you with the details. The point is stress can do strange things to a person.

 

[fran]

You really do come to some strong conclusions. Did you know these people? She certainly didn't seem controlled to me. She visited family regularly (most controllers isolate the abused party from family and friends). The had a lot of friends. She went on lots of vacations without her husband. She went jogging with friends. She stayed out late with friends. So he cut off credit card access, which is a good thing considering the amount of debt they had...and he took the kids passports. They are his kids too....why is that such a bad thing? I wouldn't want my wife taking my kids back to Canada where I would never see them. It's sounds like all of these Lochmere ladies could be living on Wisteria Lane.

Yes, I do have strong conclusions and no I didn't know these people. My opinions are based on reading the hundreds of pages of Websleuths and solved and unsolved cases just like this one. OH, and from watching a few friends and relatives in like marriages that had different endings.

One common thing I've noticed in a large number of these cases, is the wife (or abused, because it is sometimes men) has MANY friends and often times the husband is more reserved or more secretive. The 'secretive' ones usually turn out to be that way because in addition to the abuse and contol, there's the 'side salads' they've enjoyed, quite often throughout the entire marriage.

There's been cases where the family and friends of the murdered, abused spouse had NO IDEA there was abuse going on behind those closed doors. On the outside, the abuser portrays a happy and loving picture of a dedicated spouse. But once that door slams shut, their personality changes into the controlling jealous lover. IF you happened to utter anything either before or after that door shuts they disagree with or embarrasses them in any way, you may have some 'splainin' to do and IF they've already graduated into the physical violence vs just words, you may be left with a bruise or two, IF you're that lucky!

Course, when the anger subsides from the abuser and he's done telling you how this is all 'your fault! See what you made me do?' the honeymoon begins and the cycle is repeated, over and over and over. Mental abuse, games, changing the playing field, is all at the whim of the abuser/controller.

Sure, Nancy appeared to do as she wished. But I'm willing to bet it was only at Brad's discretion. Like the time Nancy was over a friend's with the girls. Brad called Nancy on her cell and suddenly he wanted to see the girls for dinner! and at a location HE had chosen. Nancy had to drop whatever she was doing at the moment and change plans to suit Brad. She took the girls over to a friend's home ASAP................but, ..............wait,..........Brad wasn't there. He left Nancy and the girls sitting out in the car for an hour awaiting his arrival from just down the street or so.

Interesting that Brad had set a time when Nancy could leave and take the girls to Canada and he'd never have to see any of them again. Of course this changed while Nancy was preparing to do as he wished, but in so doing she hired an attorney and drew up 'legal' separation which stated Brad would have to pay various support for the girls, not to mention 8 years of alimony and one of the cars and pay off all of the bills after selling the house and turn over HIS 401K to Nancy. Suddenly he has a change of heart and wants to work on the marriage, but at the SAME TIME almost cuts off support of Nancy and the girls daily expenses. How COINCIDENTAL! not!

Concluding, I'd like to invite anyone reading here, that during this lull in movement in this case, cruise the pages of Websleuths and read the background of many of these 'missing,' 'murdered,' and unsolved cases. IMO, you'll see a lot of parallels with this case. Even for the unsolved, although not arrested or convicted, using common sense, you can LIKELY determine who the perp is. The only problem usually is, there is no {proof}, OR the LE in the area isn't doing their j o b, and who only knows why (meaning, what link the perp may have locally).

This is just my opinion,
fran

 

[fran]

i'm figuring they want what's on the cameras so they can plan their defense. lawyers need to know EXACTLY what the facts are that can be confirmed through cameras, receips, etc.

it is curious, though, that somebody--no matter how stressed they are---wouldn't know that all of the grocery stores in this area have surveillance cameras. when you walk into this particular HT, you see yourself walking in on the cameras & the image of yourself is front & center.

i used to go there a lot late at night, & only the entrance on the Kildare Farm side was open after a certain hour. Also, back then (over 3 years ago), there was a security guard present in the middle of the night. When I asked about it, a HT employee told me it was just a security measure for their employees & customers who might want to be escorted out to their car.

apparently there isn't a security person anymore, though, or somebody (mom etc) would have mentioned it.

but, it's puzzling that--assuming this early am HT trip is true--BC wouldn't have grabbed something in addition to detergent w bleach so that he would have a cover (have to have diapers, etc). And the cameras & signs about the cameras are everywhere---so if BC did the 4 or so a.m. trip, he wasn't thinking & went back to cover his tracks.

When LE found Nancy's body, they declared she had been murdered. So there will be info in the autopsy that will be extremely helpful to BC's attorneys in terms of how Nancy died.

puzzling, though, that a smart person--no matter how stressed---wouldn't throw in a potentially necessary item like diapers or milk, etc, if he was buying detergent w bleach "to cover his tracks".

IMO, that's part of the point. These guys always think they can get away with it because they've thought of everything, unlike the thousands of perps in similar situations did and got caught.

That is, they think of everything UNTIL they realize they FORGOT something that can possibly LINK them to the crime.

IMO, the more evidence LE MAY find of one covering their tracks AFTER the fact, is MORE EVIDENCE that they in fact did that crime.

There's no school on 'how to commit murder.'

JMHO
fran

PS.....ONE crime such as this, the perp returned to the scene of the crime a number of times.....(typical murderer reaction, per LE).......he didN'T think of LE tailing him.....

Another crime that is still in the investigation stages, the get-a-way car of the unknown perp, was rented using a credit card of the estranged husband who was to meet in a few days with almost ex in which he was going to have to give her a mil dollar$. The unfortunate thing for the husband, is not only that HIS credit card was used for the get-a-way car, but the card was found in his wallet when he was arrested for another crime that his wife was going to allegedly turn States evidence of.

Another crime the husband thought he'd get away with the crime because he said he didn't do it, he ran 1000's of miles from the scene, and he returned the weapon to his inlaws enclosed gun cabinet before he left the country. But, IIRC, his finger prints were on the weapon....

They ALWAYS believe they thought of everything, until they find out they did NOT.........

PPS......then there's the pages of unsolved.......

 

[fran]

I want to clarify something. My original post was a response to the idea that if Brad attended the funeral, then he would have contributed to a "media circus". I actually think that by not attending, he contributed to the media story surrounding the murder; this fuelled controversy. The media responds to drama. It has to be a good story. That is why some victims are hardly reported at all. My MAIN point is that it may have been a good public relations tool for Brad to attend the funeral. It may have looked better for him to be supportive on that day, rather than oppositional ("Brad Fights Back"; I can't find the link anymore to this story that was reported on the the day of the funeral). So, my points were mainly related to the media story and public relations, rather than grieving. Of course this doesn't have anything to do with whether or not he did it . . .

I agree that people have a right to grieve in different ways, as I have said on a previous post. The comment that I made yesterday was a response to the other poster's opinion, and I can see that I should not have said what I think Brad should have done. I have already apologized for that in an earlier thread. :blushing: I honestly did not mean to offend anyone and it was only my own opinion.

You don't need to apologize for anything and I don't even recall who or where the original discussion began about the press conferences. That is what I was talking about. LE having press conferences and the family talking to the press.

Of course anyone could do whatever they want when their loved one dies and no one knows how that person feels IF they've never been in that exact, same position.

Whatever way any of us have lost a loved one, knows how we would react only after the fact. I could compare how I would react, but it wouldn't really be apples/apples, more like apples/oranges because there's that thing called murder as the COD and the media frenzy surrounding the case.

I just KNOW, that when there's a death, whether untimely or not, there is only ONE chance to say your final good-byes. IF it were me, I know how I would react and it wouldn't be based on opinions, or other's feelings, but my final moment to express my true love.......and say my final farewell to my other half.

You're right, with regard to the murder investigation it would have been a better PR move if Brad had attended even one memorial service. But let's face it, if you have to tell him to attend for PR purposes, why? I thought he loved her?

JMHO
fran

PS...on that note of him NOT attending any of Nancy's memorial services, he then has to add insult to injury by releasing a volley of demeaning affidavits towards his late wife's memory. Like, he couldn't wait for a day?

IMHO, THAT speaks VOLUMES of Brad Cooper, in my humble and OBVIOUS opinion......fran

 

[fran]

The thing is none of us can say what a guilty man would or wouldn't think of to do. Just nerves alone can cause the best of us to do certain things and forget about other things that would seem obvious to a calmed person. The only thing I would think is that they wouldn't be thinking all that clearly. Since I do think one would go into a kind of "panic mode", I think their actions would be inconsistent unless they're some calm, cool hitman.

What makes me think this is when my mother died suddenly. I could remember to do so many things in those first few hours and days. I put her funeral together, made all the phone calls to notify family, etc. But I could not remember to shut my car door. I went to a shop to buy a dress for her funeral, came out and there was the door standing wide open. I went home to take care of some household things, when next I left the house I found the car door wide open. There were many more basic things that, out of stress, wasn't thinking of when ordinarily I would have, but I won't bore you with the details. The point is stress can do strange things to a person.

My condolences on the loss of your mom. :blowkiss:

About stress making us do strange things, you're absolutely right. It can even make the best layed out plans of murder go astray when we forget there's BIG BROTHER watching with hidden cameras.

JMHO
fran

 

[ncnative]

As to Brad's control of Nancy: some say she wasn't controlled because she could come and go as she please, be with friends, etc. Still, there seems to be evidence of other forms of control by Brad. He knew he couldn't stop her from seeing friends, going out into the community. Everyone would notice and question, knowing Nancy and Brad and their lifestyle. He knew he couldn't pull that. So he used control in ways that others could not see (yet Nancy was able to tell friends and family about).

Control of money, credit cards, ridicule and other emotional abuse, the passports--were all ways of controlling in which Brad knew he could pull off without looking too bad to the "Wisteria Lane" crowd right in his face.

 

[EntreNous]

My condolences on the loss of your mom. :blowkiss:

About stress making us do strange things, you're absolutely right. It can even make the best layed out plans of murder go astray when we forget there's BIG BROTHER watching with hidden cameras.

JMHO
fran

Thank you Fran.

 

[sunflowers]

Does anyone know if Nancy's family were given the opportunity to go into the Cooper's home after her death, say, to get the children's things? It seems that if my daughter were missing, I'd immediately get to her home and join in with the husband and grandchildren to help out. I might stay in a hotel, but I'd go to the home too.

I wonder if she kept a blog/diary? She probably emailed her twin sister about things she'd never tell anyone else. I'm thinking of these possibilities that LE could've looked into.

she talked w her twin several times a day, and my understanding is that she was quite candid w her sister, parents, & at least a couple of her closest friends. IMO, if she was sleeping in her girls' room w the door locked & car keys in her pocket, she would have been too afraid that bc would have found a blog/diary. JMO

 

[sunflowers]

Mom2three...I have to laugh at you. You noticed the upstairs blinds being closed on the back side of Brad Cooper's home in the last few days. I noticed that about 2 days ago.

Are we neighbors? Ha ha. We are probably riding past each other daily. Although I think you once mentioned that you don't live in this neighborhood (Lochmere)?

Tell you what. You put a Mom2Three WS bumper sticker on your car and I'll put NCNative WS on mine. We'll toot at each other when we pass by.

Do you know if there actually is a camera at the HSprings/CPkwy intersection, and if it is working? I don't go in that direction often. I'd say they need one there. Kids used to drag race on the Cary Parkway late at night, and on Lochmere Drive as well. I don't notice the drag race noises any more, especially in the last year or so.

lol. i noticed, too. there's several of us that probably pass each other all the time. we're in different neighborhoods (I can tell from what we've said in relation to "the car wash" by St Francis & how we drive through Lochmere & on Holly Springs), but we surely are driving by each other & interacting w each other at various places. i'll put a sunflower on my dashboard as a way of saying "hey" to all of you almost-neighbors.

 

[sunflowers]

Need to make a change to this post from yesterday...going to Crossroads last night the 3 window blinds upstairs are now closed tight.

he must want to keep us on our toes.

 

[Topsail Girl]

he must want to keep us on our toes.

Sunflowers (love the name) I was thinking it's because he reads here and we pizz him off from time to time LOL

 

[fran]

Sunflowers (love the name) I was thinking it's because he reads here and we pizz him off from time to time LOL

Ahhh...........ya think!

:woohoo:

JMHO
fran

 

[EntreNous]

As to Brad's control of Nancy: some say she wasn't controlled because she could come and go as she please, be with friends, etc. Still, there seems to be evidence of other forms of control by Brad. He knew he couldn't stop her from seeing friends, going out into the community. Everyone would notice and question, knowing Nancy and Brad and their lifestyle. He knew he couldn't pull that. So he used control in ways that others could not see (yet Nancy was able to tell friends and family about).

Control of money, credit cards, ridicule and other emotional abuse, the passports--were all ways of controlling in which Brad knew he could pull off without looking too bad to the "Wisteria Lane" crowd right in his face.

Your post has made me think about something else. After reading his former girlfriend's post, his former roomate's post and this one here.

Brad doesn't want to look bad. In fact, Brad wants to look good in the eyes of his peers. That's becoming obviously clear after reading accounts of those that knew him well.
He was passive aggressively controlling because he didn't like confrontation. Another hallmark of not wanting to look bad.

His girlfriend did say that when he felt he'd been neglected/wronged or his wishes were unheeded he would pout and become sulky. And after a build up that he would finally explode.

NC told friends that they were back in "hate mode". Could it be that the pattern that the ex-girlfriend had described is exactly what was going on in the time since NC went on her trip with her family? Brad didn't say "No" to her trip because he didn't want the confrontation with her family. He didn't want to look bad. He passive aggressively punished her by pigging up the house and withholding the money under the guise of her spending. He wanted to remain looking good to everyone else so he made an appearance at the party even though he was still brooding, i.e. "hate mode". I think something must have been said at that party that was the straw that broke the camel's back. But being someone who wants to keep looking good in others eyes and because he can't stand confrontations he got up, left the party, went home and stewed until NC came home. And then he exploded.

I just find it odd that that comment the ex made was very early on in the case and yet she gave us information on his pattern of behavior that had not yet been fleshed out either here or in the affidavits by NC's friends on Nancy's family's behalf.

I believe the ex-girlfriend unwittingly told the tale of what happened that night.

JMO

 

[Deduction]

IF the only trips Brad Cooper made to the grocery store the morning hours of July 12, the day Nancy went missing, were the ones mentioned in his affidavits and I understand to LE, then why would he need to obtain copies of the grocery store surveillance cameras?

duh Do you think just maybe it could be to prove it was the way he said it was ?

 

[sunflowers]

IMO, that's part of the point. These guys always think they can get away with it because they've thought of everything, unlike the thousands of perps in similar situations did and got caught.

That is, they think of everything UNTIL they realize they FORGOT something that can possibly LINK them to the crime.

IMO, the more evidence LE MAY find of one covering their tracks AFTER the fact, is MORE EVIDENCE that they in fact did that crime.

There's no school on 'how to commit murder.'

JMHO
fran

PS.....ONE crime such as this, the perp returned to the scene of the crime a number of times.....(typical murderer reaction, per LE).......he didN'T think of LE tailing him.....

Another crime that is still in the investigation stages, the get-a-way car of the unknown perp, was rented using a credit card of the estranged husband who was to meet in a few days with almost ex in which he was going to have to give her a mil dollar$. The unfortunate thing for the husband, is not only that HIS credit card was used for the get-a-way car, but the card was found in his wallet when he was arrested for another crime that his wife was going to allegedly turn States evidence of.

Another crime the husband thought he'd get away with the crime because he said he didn't do it, he ran 1000's of miles from the scene, and he returned the weapon to his inlaws enclosed gun cabinet before he left the country. But, IIRC, his finger prints were on the weapon....

They ALWAYS believe they thought of everything, until they find out they did NOT.........

PPS......then there's the pages of unsolved.......

well-said. i'm hoping that michelle & Nancy's killers will have made clear mistakes that get them both so totally arrested & convicted! hopefully DNA will be found w Nancy that will arrest & convict....