NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Allegedly sold by mother 11/10/09 #23

[kiki the parrot]

I too believe CDL had at least a moral and ethical obligation to report the concerns she herself expressed re AD's 'neglect' and fitness as a parent if she was, as some insist, 'forced against her will by BL' to take Shaniya there.

arrot:

 

[songline]

Personally, after reviewing the criminal history of the Davis men listed in the obit, I believe Carey would have been terrified to confront AD without protection.

AD already had a record with Child Services...Why didn't she call there????
And if she was terrified of that bunch? imagine how SD felt she was only a kid....

 

[Muffet]

Ok did she ever report any concerns re AD "neglecting her children" to DFS/CPS?? Really, just wondering.

arrot:

Not that I've heard anything about...

 

[lbminnesota]

My previous employer set up an outreach volunteer program with one of the elementary schools supporting an extremely poor area in Minneapolis. For one year, I spent two hours a week helping first graders with reading and math. Environment what you'd expect - heartbreaking. I asked the teacher how she mentally could handle knowing the children had no stability, violence around them, constantly moving, living in homeless shelters, etc.

She told me the teachers had to accept they couldn't change the world. They could provide a safe environment, encourage the children to learn, keep an eye on physical injuries, and not ask too many questions to add shame to the child's life. When I heard Carey speak of not asking too many questions and providing fun/laughter, I was reminded of the teacher's words.

 

[kiki the parrot]

That would depend on how much he is permitted to say.
He may have been trained already that if he speaks something will happen to him or someone he loves.
A specialist would recognize how to bond and circumvent that, the child was thrown in to foster care, he may already be totally confused.
It takes a little time to open him up, it may be too soon.

I feel so sad for him, this poor child has lost his baby sissy, his mom... and evidently hasn't had a dad around either. Lord only knows what he's witnessed in his short little lifetime

arrot:

 

[alwaysonmymind]

AD already had a record with Child Services...Why didn't she call there????
And if she was terrified of that bunch? imagine how SD felt she was only a kid....

According to Brad, he was unaware Child Services had been involved with AD and company.

I honestly believe Aunt Carey thinks of Shaniya, first thing when she opens her eyes, and the last thought before she goes to sleep. And every minute in between. jmo

 

[songline]

I too believe CDL had at least a moral and ethical obligation to report the concerns she herself expressed re AD's 'neglect' and fitness as a parent if she was, as some insist, 'forced against her will by BL' to take Shaniya there.

arrot:

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Great post, I was posting at same time, along the same line.
ITA...she is not the queen Bee.....Nop!

 

[songline]

According to Brad, he was unaware Child Services had been involved with AD and company.

I honestly believe Aunt Carey thinks of Shaniya, first thing when she opens her eyes, and the last thought before she goes to sleep. And every minute in between. jmo

If any of that is true, then she would have found some moral and ethical way to not take that child to her mom again. and again, and again...NOP not buying it.
DID she love her yap I can see that...Was she anymore of an accountable force then dear daddy, NOP.

 

[belimom]

I pulled my son out of public school kindergarten. I basically walked in and took him out of class. I didn't do it formerly. No one ever contacted me. No one asked me what was going on.

Similar thing here: we registered our oldest for public school then decided to enroll him elsewhere in a private setting in another county. Never heard from the public school system asking 'where's your child?'. I do understand this is different from pulling out a child who is already in attendance, but there should've been some sort of follow-up.

 

[songline]

I feel so sad for him, this poor child has lost his baby sissy, his mom... and evidently hasn't had a dad around either. Lord only knows what he's witnessed in his short little lifetime

arrot:

ME TOO if only he can come out of this string of low lives, (I don't know what to call them) and be OK maybe someone should adopt him to give him a chance. But this child already needs therapy IMO.

 

[SuziQ]

Key words (IMHO) "court ordered"

many were quick to lay out theories that the visit/living with AD was court ordered

yet NO one, not even BL , has ever said that

the simple and logical answer here was "easiest way out" for the moment

no more TY...maybe money problems....loving Aunt but out of work, single mom to 3...happy to watch her but needs money....

out of town job...hey...thinks to self...isn't it about time AD stepped up to the plate?? It's "her turn"??

I think much of this was done the easiest way...overlook known facts...whistle in the wind...it will be "ok"...maybe AD can "learn to be a mom"..."her turn"

and maybe..that midlife crisis of "it's my turn"...my turn to move west..to be with a new woman...to leave this whole mess, big mortgage, boatload of kids, single mom sister, big daddy role behind

jump in a beemer and go....new life....new world....justify, rationalize, "it's all about me"

Isn't it telling that NO one ever says what Shaynia said?? I have never even heard her sweet little voice or seen a video of her

no neighbors are talking...no family friends....what about her new friends in kindergarden?? did she tell them she was leaving? or going away for a visit?

has anyone ever said where Shaynia preferred to LIVE?

visits with the bio mom...supervised....or short visits...but ?? this was kind of an "adios for now" from what I see

BL should clarify the flow of nonsense..."told her to call me every night">> and then 5 weeks later you come roaring back saying "just wanted to give AD a chance"??

"it's all about ME"

This is exactly how I feel! When I think of the five weeks that went by. I think of the old saying "Out of sight out of mind".

 

[mikeysmommom]

Just one problem I think BL is in control, and Carie had no say.
BUT after hearing, that the baby had cigarette burns, and after suspecting that AD was not a good mother. Then AD tells her she would never again see Shaniya, :waitasec:
I do not believe him when he says that she did not call him out of town and sound alarmed. I DO NOT BELIVE THAT.

SOMEONE here has said that Children's services can show up at your house with no appointment, IMHO she should have gotten someone over there NO MATTER WHAT.

If someone told me I would not see my grandchild, and I was worried about my kid, I would call and take that chance that I would not see them but they would at least be safe.
I think there is way to much BS here.
I think Carie is hurting but I also know instinctively that she has to protect brother, and is Full of chit about some of this.
SHE clearly knew that place was not good for the baby. She clearly is standing by him, and she clearly is hurting too.
She too needed to do more.... Soul mates is not enough for me.
I cried a river for this child I did not know. She knew her, so I know she is hurting, but In my book she is not the queen Bee.

We had a neighbor who had no electricity or running water the kids where hosed off in the yard with a hose the mom would take from a house next door.It was horrible how this mom was allowing her children to live .She refused to work or do anything to help herself.Some one called child services told no water or heat or electric in house.They sent someone to the school to talk to kids they of course knew better then tell anyone the truth.A caseworker also went to the house in daylight never turned on the water or lights to check,thats the first thing they are suppose to check.She bragged to everyone how she fooled them.So a lot of people wont call when they should because they do not do their job most of the time.Most would call even if it meant not seeing a child but to know they are safe.But if they go and not do their job the child is no safer then they were before and now you do not even see the child to know they are ok.That s why some do not call IMO

 

[kiki the parrot]

My previous employer set up an outreach volunteer program with one of the elementary schools supporting an extremely poor area in Minneapolis. For one year, I spent two hours a week helping first graders with reading and math. Environment what you'd expect - heartbreaking. I asked the teacher how she mentally could handle knowing the children had no stability, violence around them, constantly moving, living in homeless shelters, etc.

She told me the teachers had to accept they couldn't change the world. They could provide a safe environment, encourage the children to learn, keep an eye on physical injuries, and not ask too many questions to add shame to the child's life. When I heard Carey speak of not asking too many questions and providing fun/laughter, I was reminded of the teacher's words.

The influence a two hour per week volunteer, tutor or even teacher can have in a child's life may often be limited to the workplace--however this was not the case w the aunt. She was a family member w whom Shaniya frequently stayed. And when *I* heard CDL speak of not asking too many questions it made the hairs on my neck raise, what is this "all about joy and laughter" stuff when a child's suspected of having burns and being bounced from gf to gf, high-risk place to place... I've no doubt it was an uncomfortable spot to be in the middle but there was far more opportunity for influence than someone in your situation. She actually had options IMO. Guess we'll leave it there.
arrot:

 

[songline]

I'd love to talk privately to Aunt Carey.
I think she is the only one that cared about
Shaniya.
And she had to do what her own brother wanted, to keep the peace.
I'd like to know what her feelings are about her brother at the moment.

Forget about it.............
You think she is throwing her brother to the wolves?
any tinny slip can mean throwing him to the wolves...

 

[songline]

We had a neighbor who had no electricity or running water the kids where hosed off in the yard with a hose the mom would take from a house next door.It was horrible how this mom was allowing her children to live .She refused to work or do anything to help herself.Some one called child services told no water or heat or electric in house.They sent someone to the school to talk to kids they of course knew better then tell anyone the truth.A caseworker also went to the house in daylight never turned on the water or lights to check,thats the first thing they are suppose to check.She bragged to everyone how she fooled them.So a lot of people wont call when they should because they do not do their job most of the time.Most would call even if it meant not seeing a child but to know they are safe.But if they go and not do their job the child is no safer then they were before and now you do not even see the child to know they are ok.That s why some do not call IMO

Sadly you are right most of child services do not do good work but they do go and show up.
Carrie would know what you just posted and would have had to say PLEASE be sure you do see her, and I worry about abuse, so kindly look at the child very carefully.
Still no excuse because some case workers are very good,

 

[kiki the parrot]

This is exactly how I feel! When I think of the five weeks that went by. I think of the old saying "Out of sight out of mind".

ITA and if Aunt maintains she was not permitted visits or phonecalls (?) then I'd like to know what communication there was between *BL* and AD... do we know if there was any? Was he not permitted phonecalls or visits either?? It just doesn't make sense, if you were suddenly denied even phonecalls, why wouldn't you immediately return--if only for a day or weekend--to resolve that conflict? How do you not hear or know anything for five weeks... and do nothing about that??

arrot:

 

[songline]

OK FOLKS it is almost THANKSGIVING and nothing has been
"NEW" if we do not get new information tomorrow I doubt very much that we would get it on a thanks giving week/weekend. :furious::furious::furious:

LETS HOPE TO GET SOMETHING IN THE MORNING...raying:

Sadly I do not think we'll get anything till next week if we get anything at all.
Something is telling me that they may be looking into something bigger maybe a trafficking ring which can take time.
With a prostitute mom and a felon buddy, I can see they may be tied to God knows what...Just thinking....
But if we did not get more by now we wont get anything today.

 

[celticthyme]

I,m with you Patty; Something is definably missing here where the mom is concerned!

Some questions for anyone who might have some thoughts about or can fill in these details . .

Wouldn't Shaniya have known MAM because of his relationship to Aunt Brenda?

Does anyone here think that Shaniya had been with MAM or anyone else, waaaaayy before the 15th of November?

If there were only 2 bedrooms in the MH, were there 3 kids there too?

Thanks ......
Does the school system call the home when a student is absent there, like in most districts?

 

[Bobbisangel]

Anyone remember these two?

I hate that smirk on his face. To me that look says "you aren't going to hang this murder on me...I'm to smart." The mother looks like she is coming down from something.

 

[mikeysmommom]

The influence a two hour per week volunteer, tutor or even teacher can have in a child's life may often be limited to the workplace--however this was not the case w the aunt. She was a family member w whom Shaniya frequently stayed. And when *I* heard CDL speak of not asking too many questions it made the hairs on my neck raise, what is this "all about joy and laughter" stuff when a child's suspected of having burns and being bounced from gf to gf, high-risk place to place... I've no doubt it was an uncomfortable spot to be in the middle but there was far more opportunity for influence than someone in your situation. She actually had options IMO. Guess we'll leave it there.
arrot:

Beating the aunt up is very wrong IMO BL was the one in charge she had no legal standing and being a single mom with 3 children of her own I can almost assure you she did not have the thousands needed to fight the parents .She had no choice but her dad held the cards to his daughters safety.He is the one who just did not care enough about his daughter.I pray that HE sees that little girls smiling face every minute of everyday and while he is sleeping he sees the horror of her last weeks.IMO he is no better then AD.:furious: