NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #36

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It's painful to watch. When I saw it on tv, I didn't notice this. (TV too far away.)

Watch it with the sound muted. Also note his breathing pattern.

Yes and men especially cops don't cry easy or let that emotion out. He was on TV, that is even more telling that he broke up then. If ever a cop wants to hold it together it is while on TV. He tried so hard, his facial muscles you can tell were contracting to try and hold it back.

Edit to add: He also said no missing person or ABDUCTION
 
I just read this article... and I'm gonna say something that I rarely say, but:

What a witch EB is.
Was EB ever arrested on these charges that the kids took out on Eb? I don't think so. She was charged only after Z went missing? So many people failed this child. Dfcs and the police. They should hide there faces in shame for this. Had they done there jobs Z would be here today. It makes me sick sick sick.
 
Was EB ever arrested on these charges that the kids took out on Eb? I don't think so. She was charged only after Z went missing? So many people failed this child. Dfcs and the police. They should hide there faces in shame for this. Had they done there jobs Z would be here today. It makes me sick sick sick.

Just who are the parents, is it the State, County, Police, Fire, who? DSS yes, police NO! If someone calls the police on SUSPECTED child abuse, they make a report and they call DSS...I'm pretty sure they followed procedure and DSS was called. DSS yes at fault but holding them guilty of Zahra's death NO that blame can only be placed on the person who killed her!

Wait and I want to add: It is pretty hard for the DSS to find them when they move all the time, take her out of school, and she is not a US citizen...so just tell me was DSS and the police suppose to use their crystal ball to find her and figure it out? My guess is DSS went there, spoke to EB and like in the tape when Zahra got the hearing aide EB came across as one hell of a good mom. I bet she learned that role well and played it when she had to.
 
Watching that video is tough. You know LE want to find her alive more than anything, this must be frustrating and devastating for them
 
Finally caught up again!

I do not give AB any sort of pass whatsoever. If we saw a pic of Zahra with a black eye, then just how much more did AB see as he supposedly lived in the same house as Zahra? I hold him just as responsible as EB.

At the point AB wrote his very first rubber check in North Carolina, he knew things were just not working out here. Why didn't he escort little Zahra back to Australia where she had a loving grandmother, grandfather, relatives, and friends missing her? AB could have come back to the U. S. and lived on the run (moving constantly) with EB. But what does he do instead? He leaves little Zahra with a monster while he is working. Yes, I do blame him. IMO, AB knows what happened to Zahra and is covering for EB. No one is as dense as he pretends to be.

As for EB; I would get banned if I were to comment on her. I believe with everything in me that there is a third person involved here, and it is someone that EB knows will do whatever she asks.

I care about Zahra and getting at the truth about whatever these monsters did to her. I have no respect for the so called friends and family who 'loved' Zahra speaking out NOW about the abuse they knew full well was happening. They surely did not speak up and out when it could have possibly saved her life.

This is one of those cases that infuriates me so much that I just have to read and not post. I have read every post in every thread and kept what I thought to myself for the most part. I think about little Zahra every single day and night and my heart breaks for her. I just hope a jury shows no mercy whatsoever for anyone who harmed a hair on Zahra's head.

I want to know what happened to Zahra but am so afraid we will all be even more horrified when and if we do find out. I believe that by Wednesday we will have either an inditement or inditements.

GB Zahra's little soul.

JMO, MOO'S
 
Finally caught up again!

I do not give AB any sort of pass whatsoever. If we saw a pic of Zahra with a black eye, then just how much more did AB see as he supposedly lived in the same house as Zahra? I hold him just as responsible as EB.

At the point AB wrote his very first rubber check in North Carolina, he knew things were just not working out here. Why didn't he escort little Zahra back to Australia where she had a loving grandmother, grandfather, relatives, and friends missing her? AB could have come back to the U. S. and lived on the run (moving constantly) with EB. But what does he do instead? He leaves little Zahra with a monster while he is working. Yes, I do blame him. IMO, AB knows what happened to Zahra and is covering for EB. No one is as dense as he pretends to be.

As for EB; I would get banned if I were to comment on her. I believe with everything in me that there is a third person involved here, and it is someone that EB knows will do whatever she asks.

I care about Zahra and getting at the truth about whatever these monsters did to her. I have no respect for the so called friends and family who 'loved' Zahra speaking out NOW about the abuse they knew full well was happening. They surely did not speak up and out when it could have possibly saved her life.

This is one of those cases that infuriates me so much that I just have to read and not post. I have read every post in every thread and kept what I thought to myself for the most part. I think about little Zahra every single day and night and my heart breaks for her. I just hope a jury shows no mercy whatsoever for anyone who harmed a hair on Zahra's head.

I want to know what happened to Zahra but am so afraid we will all be even more horrified when and if we do find out. I believe that by Wednesday we will have either an inditement or inditements.

GB Zahra's little soul.

JMO, MOO'S

Nice post, but I disagree on the last part. LOL
 
I realized tonight I started myself a new Halloween tradition.

Once the trick or treaters were gone and the streets got quiet, I filled a little bag with some of my favorite candy. I tied it with a white ribbon and sat it on the railing of my deck. I placed a flameless candle next to it to help light the way.

I know it's silly but she didn't get to dress up this year or have fun with her friends getting scared. She didn't get to trick or treat and enjoy her own candy but her own candy is waiting for her anyway.

I'm sure the neighborhood cats are completely puzzled by a bag of sweets with a flickering box next to it but oh well lol. I'm going to continue this every year for the kids we fall in love with and who's stories remind us there will be one less trick or treater that year. This year was for Zahra. :hug:
 
CSI would not search on the first visit to the house because they have no search warrant but they sure did do a visual inspection noting what evidence to focus on once that warrant was ready. This sometimes can take a week or more. Once they got the warrant and they went in there, the already knew what the house looked like inside before they searched so therefore they can tell what has changed and hasn't changed. If more clean up took place etc.

They notice placement of furniture:
How clean the house is:
Any foods out, dinner table set, lunch anything like that;
They notice smells, cleaning, blood (smells like metal)
They look at clothing if laying around
You name it you can bet they took a big visual inspection before that did the actual physical inspection.

My guess when they went back there they did notice some major differences, they look and took footprints, fingerprints, pictures, and used the UV light to find fiber evidence that isn't seen very well with the naked eye.

They also noted what paper work, bills, mail and such, and they have all that now too.

If it was as simple as Zahra walking out and getting in the car, the investigators would know that lead and follow it. They would have an all points bulletin out on that car!

They did not do that why, because they have evidence that Zahra is dead, and that evidence had to be compelling because Cops are very careful and would not come to that by just a small piece of evidence. We do not know what that is!

Zahra take drugs that might be in the house is also not a logical conclusion in the case either as stated above. Sorry don't mean to sound like I'm picking on anyone. I am glad you're all thinking out of the box.

My opinion is this will be a long case, it could take months before all that physical evidence is done.

Some evidence will go to the fiber expert lab, and after they examined it and wrote their detail finding, then it could go to another lab, and they test for DNA, then they do their report. How many of you are aware of red tape? A report sitting on the desk until the other one is done then it gets mailed out or sent to the lead investigator on the case.

It isn't a matter of like on TV, CSI does the investigating and evidence collecting and analyzing. You have the investigator, the person who collects the evidence then you have the lab that analyzing it. However, some of the ones who collects evidence could be trained in blood spatter and will test it. It is a lot involved!

Just don't expect answers any time soon. I suspect over the next weeks we will hear a little bit, but being how LE has been so tight lip, I wouldn't hold out on that either.

Just my 2 cents!

Thank You
 
Brilliant LaLaw2000, I absolutely agree with you! I think we will have an indictment Wednesday, but only the one for now. But his day will come, regardless of how they want to paint the story the truth will come out here. And also agree, we may not want to hear it.
 
Was EB ever arrested on these charges that the kids took out on Eb? I don't think so. She was charged only after Z went missing? So many people failed this child. Dfcs and the police. They should hide there faces in shame for this. Had they done there jobs Z would be here today. It makes me sick sick sick.

Yes, and whenever I watch that presser with the Chief.. I can't help but wonder if he realized, at the time of the presser, that EB had been given a free pass on 3 felony charges - because Adkins (officer at the time) had failed to turn in prosecuting summaries. :frown:

I can understand they had a hard time locating her to serve her with her every charge.. but geez, when they did have her, they needed to do the job right.

Having ranted about that -- I have to say they are, at last, doing a remarkable job with the searches and with remaining tight-lipped.
 
I just thought of something that I knew but not sure people are aware of it. All fingerprints in that house, they will be doing a check on EVERYONE OF THEM..they will confirm their alibi for the timeline they have. I think they pretty much have that established now but of course we don't yet.

I'm inclined to think what we will hear in the next week the day Zahra passed on. I also think a body will be found this week. (ok the last one is my hope)
 
OT, I've been up all night again. I cannot sleep..gosh I don't know how much of this I can take!
 
I am still not convinced that it was Adam writing bad checks, or that he knew the checks he was writing would bounce. If they had a joint account and EB was writing checks when there were insufficient funds in the account, they would both be liable--whether they knew about the lack of funds or not. After all, EB had a LONG history of writing bad checks before Adam ever came into the picture.
 
Wow, so much emotion. Zahra, you finally have some good people on your side. I wish everyone in position to protect children took it as serious as these people are.

When I was very young with my first child...he was about 4 years old and I remember me spanking him. I have never spanked one of my 4 children since that day. I realized I wasn't spanking to get their attention to show them but rather my anger. I thank God for showing me that. There are so many other better ways then to spank a child.

It wasn't a beating, it was a spanking, but I spanked because I was mad and that is so wrong to do. I had seen the light!
 
A person with criminal record will have a hard time getting into Australia, well they demonstrate that on the Reality TV Show: Border Security

I wonder how on earth EB got into Australia in the first instance...:waitasec:

Or whatever her name was back then.
 
Zahra take drugs that might be in the house is also not a logical conclusion in the case either as stated above. Sorry don't mean to sound like I'm picking on anyone. I am glad you're all thinking out of the box.

No need to apologize, I don't feel picked on! I said that the accidental drug overdose was wishful thinking more than anything. But I'm looking for something to explain AB's behavior. He definitely loves his daughter, or he would have left her behind in Australia, I'm fairly convinced about that part. Instead, he went to a lot of trouble and inconvenience to bring her here, so it's not logical that he would then want to get rid of her suddenly, with or without EB.

An angelic child must be pretty inconvenient if you're a dark gothic fairy though, which is what I think EB meant by the "dark child...lol" comment - meaning, "here's the child that doesn't fit in". Now I can believe that she would want to get rid of Z, but I still don't think AB's love for his new wife with whom he was arguing, was so blind that he would go along with a heinous crime and kill his own child who he had raised as a single dad for most of his life. I'm not buying it, and I don't think LE thinks so either, or he wouldn't be out on bail.

That's just not the way it works - a single parent who gets into arguments with a new partner is more likely to turn to the child for additional support, not push them further away. They're a team remember, and it's the new partner who is the outsider. Similarly, since the neighbors heard the arguments, so did the child, so it would only be natural for Z to stand up to EB and defend her father. That could have been the motive right there for EB, but not for AB to go along with any cover up. For that to happen, AB would need to be convinced that it was an accident. You probably had all these conversations already in threads I have not been able to keep up with, but while I do not think he's entirely innocent, it's just not logical (to me) that AB would agree to be involved in any cover up unless:

1. it was a genuine accidental death or
2. EB convinced him it was accidental.

This is the only thing that makes sense to me. Either that, or he's telling 100% truth and knows nothing about it, but I find that hard to believe. I think he knows more than he's telling right now.

I also think it's possible that Zhara had her "accident" and passed away before they ever moved into that house, she was only stored there for a while. If she died in the house and the body was transported away from the house in the car, why look in the garden?

But you guys know better...I don't follow things here too much, and this doesn't make a whole lot of sense at all.....poor Zhara, I hope she manages to show someone she loves the truth of what happened to her, eventually.
 
I read on the previous thread about how people come up with theories, I have laid in bed at night recently and tried to be EB in my head and wondered what she would do with little Zahra's body, if she had killed her/disposed of her, and I just cannot do it. My imagination, usually quite vivid, just doesn't go that far, and I have had issues with drugs in the past, thankfully over now but I have to be vigilant.
I often feel stupid here as I can never come up with theories.
My prayer list seems to become longer and longer with each week that passes but I pray so hard that Zahra is found soon, I used to be a teacher in Kuwait and had a few little Zahras that I was fond of, please God let this little flower be found soon
 
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