Tristan said:Czechmate7: First of all, I don't know why my post seemed to ignite such an incendiary response from you.
I am not saying that the bus driver hurt Maura, I am only looking at ALL of the possibilities in this bizarre case.
In fact, I lean toward Maura definitely having left on her own for an unknown time period and that she either is alive and well or was possibly abducted or hurt by someone other than Atwood.
However, it is my right, just as much as it is yours, to ask questions and debate this case. If I helped someone and they ended up dead, and I was the last known person to see them, I would want to help as much as I could.
Can anyone say with 100% certainty that the bus driver did NOT harm Maura?
If so, I will not mention the idea again.
However, I prefer to look at the FACTS of this case and I would like to see it solved however it may turn out.
You seem to be unwilling to look at anything but your own theory.
Try thinking outside the box...and lighten up while you're at it!
Wow! What a wonderful post. That is quite an amazing list of willfully missing people! May I copy and use the list in other posts sometimes as the need arises? (I could always post a line crediting you for original post of the info.)CyberLaw said:. . .on the Doe Network and I was amazed at the number of people who have been "missing" for years, some from the mid 1970's, 1980 and 1990 who have been found alive and well.
For example:
John Casby
John Casby had been missing since October 23, 1995 from Jefferson Parish, Louisiana. He was located safe in June 2005.
Rosaynna Lurlene Crowder
Rosaynna Crowder was found safe in 2001. She had been missing since January 1991 from Las Vegas, Nevada.
Laurie Davern
Laurie Davern was found safe in 2003. She had been missing since April 9, 1976 from Grand Island, Erie County, New York. She was a teenager when she went missing.
Ethel May Yates Harms
Ethel Harms had been missing from Colorado since 1956 and was located in August of 2005.
Jennifer Leigh Herrmann
Herrmann was last seen when she ran away from her Tennessee home in 1992. She has been safely located.
Brian Neil Hooks
Brian Hooks was last seen in September 24, 1988 in Florence, South Carolina. He was located safe in 2000 by the Knox County Sheriff's Office in Tennessee.
Larry James
Larry James was missing since 1979 from St. Anthony, Minnesota. Due to the efforts of the members of the Doe Network, James was located safe in May 2004, living in another state
Catherine Ann Mattingly
Mattingly was last seen on November 2, 1987 in Clarksville, Tennessee.
In December of 2004, seventeen years after she went missing, Catherine saw her case on The Doe Network and contacted her family!
[size=+0]Bobbi Louaine Parker
Bobbi Parker disappeared from Granite, Oklahoma on August 30, 1994. She was located in good health in April 2005 in Texas.
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Low and behold, the "voluntary" missing people are alive and well and doing just fine without their family.
Will wonders never cease.....
That is why after two years(2), it does not seem like a long time for a "missing person" to be missing by choice.
Not a long time at all, considering some people have been missing and located in good health after 10 years, 15 years, etc.
I again have no doubt that Maura is going to be one of those people in the years to come who will be found alive and well and loving life.
I again have no doubt that Maura is a smart, resourcefull person, who has succeeded at everything she has done and will continue to succeed in all of her future endeavours.
Cyberlaw said:LE's job is not to spend the next 10, 15, 20 years finding them. After all a person can go missing for 10, 15, 20 years and not be found by anyone.........and living a happy life.
Seems that LE in the Brian Hooks case felt it was their job to continue looking ........for at least 12 years according to your stats.Cyberlaw said:Brian Neil Hooks
Brian Hooks was last seen in September 24, 1988 in Florence, South Carolina. He was located safe in 2000 by the Knox County Sheriff's Office in Tennessee.
I too feel for the family and also for Maura since she must have felt bad to want to leave those who gave her birth and raised her.nhjane said:. . .My hope is that LE continues their investigation and can provide some kind of answer to the family so that they don't have to live through the daily hell of wondering what became of Maura.
There was a definite contrast demonstrated between the two officials in charge of Brooke's and Maura's cases.nhjane said:"Quote"
That is the tragic situation for all of the missing people and their families. There is not a protocol for missing adults.
It seems to be entirely up to the "personality" of each individual law enforcement agency.
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I couldn't agree more, Peabody. The ineffectness of the different protocols in LE's handling of Missing adults certainly seems to cloud the waters.
If personality is a factor in the way LE examines a missing persons case, we here in NH could really be in trouble.
I found the "personality" of Lt. Scarinza of the NHSP as demonstrated on the 20/20 program featuring Maura to be cold, uncaring and dismissive. Did I really see him roll his eyes on national television? Shame on you Lt. Sarinza! The way he came across on the show made me cringe, especially in comparison to the LE spokesman for Brooke's case in Oregon who seemed caring and compassionate.
Sorry, I did not mean to infer that Scarinza SAID Maura had committed suicide. I was only referencing the harm, that in my opionion, his remarks have created for the North Country and its tourist trade.nhjane said:Yes I agree, LT. Scarinza sure didn't make New Hampshire seem very appealing to anyone with that comment about people coming here to harm themselves. He also did NOT say that is what Maura did, he said there have been cases. IMO it was attempt to gain support for his "suicide" theory by implying that is what she did. I'd like to think he was so mute about his theories because he knows a lot that the rest of us don't, but it's tough. Since in live here in the North Country, I can tell you that there has been talk for many years about the town of Haverhill ... it has been refered to as "New Hampshire's Peyton Place" by many folks and I have heard many horror stories about police ineptitude and general town corruption. I'm not stating any of this as fact, I'm simply saying that the Haverhill- Wodsville area has had a bad reputation, rightly or wrongly.
Doc,docwho3 said:None of us can speak for the police but I take note that a judge has heard the arguments on both sides more than once now and has, each time, decided to not allow the records of the maura murray case to be released.
Also the governor has refused to order the records released.
Now we can all just rush to the conclusion that the judges and the governor are all unfair and/or just nuts or we can take the court decisions as a sign that maybe some intelligent and educated people looked at the case and decided it as actually correct that the records not yet be released.
The fact is that adult people have a legal right to privacy and there is no law against an adult choosing to become a runaway. It is also standard policy and law that during ongoing investigations authorities are not required to release the documents of that investigation. None of what I am saying here is news to those who have followed the case.
We on the outside of this case do not know what L.E. knows and so we will have to accept the word of the judges that the records ought not be released at this time.
I personally wish adult runaways had to file a paper with the police to establish that they are running away and do not wish to be found. I think that might help some in these cases. But that just isn't the way it is right now.
Tristan,Tristan said:Can someone please answer my aforementioned question:
It has been established that the tracking dogs lost Maura's scent about
300 yards from the accident site. Doesn't that clearly and undoubtedly
indicate that Maura got into a car at that point? (Either willingly or by force)
Also, is there ANY possibility that she might have had someone "helping" her
to disappear??