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I think it's interesting that Zanesville, OH has a Greyhound Bus station. Not sure when it was constructed, though, or why Robinson would have wanted to go to Las Vegas. Also, Robinson's car being found at the airport probably wouldn't match what happened to the UID. I wonder if the Greyhound Bus Terminal location is a good lead or not.

Also, EDIT: Lucille Stuckert has been added to the rule-outs list.
 
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In July of 1982 almost every town in the US had a bus station. You could get anywhere with not very much money and lots of older women traveled that way.

There were two main reasons to go to Las Vegas: to gamble or to get a quick divorce. It doesn't sound like either of those would apply to Robinson, and her description says she has several surgical scars, which aren't mentioned for the UID.
 
Yeah, she looks similar, but the surgical scars would most likely have been mentioned on the UID. About the bus stations, I guess I just haven't been around long enough to see that, lol.
 
Florence Elma Doolittle?

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Florence Elma Doolittle – The Charley Project
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1398dfnc.html

I find it interesting that Doolittle went missing only 2 days before the UID was found, recently dead, in Las Vegas. Her car was found in Charlotte, which itself has a Greyhound bus station (although, as carbuff said before, there seems to have been a lot of bus stops then so this could just be a coincidence). Same hair color (brown) and length. Eyes are brown vs. hazel, which could have changed post-mortem or been evaluated differently by coroner, IMO. There are some things which make me not 100% sure, e.g. the fractured arm and pacemaker. The scar, I'm divided on; Florence had surgery on her 4th and 5th lumbar vertebrae, which is one of the most common spots for herniated disks, and it's possible that the scar on Doe could be a hernia repair scar as someone said earlier? I initially thought that the scar had to have been on the back because a herniated disk is in the spine area, but I saw this while researching:

"Surgical options include microdiscectomy using small surgical instruments and open surgical repair (either from a posterior or anterior approach)."

Could it have an anterior approach surgery, in which the problem was fixed from the front? Based on the definition of anterior and some research, that's what I believe the anterior approach is. I'm not an expert on surgical procedures, of course, so if you have knowledge of this, feel free to say your approach on the matter.
I'm considering submitting Florence Doolittle as a potential match to authorities; the timeline and scar really make me think it could be her.
 
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Florence Elma Doolittle?

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Florence Elma Doolittle – The Charley Project
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1398dfnc.html

I find it interesting that Doolittle went missing only 2 days before the UID was found, recently dead, in Las Vegas. Her car was found in Charlotte, which itself has a Greyhound bus station (although, as carbuff said before, there seems to have been a lot of bus stops then so this could just be a coincidence). Same hair color (brown) and length. Eyes are brown vs. hazel, which could have changed post-mortem or been evaluated differently by coroner, IMO. There are some things which make me not 100% sure, e.g. the fractured arm and pacemaker. The scar, I'm divided on; Florence had surgery on her 4th and 5th lumbar vertebrae, which is one of the most common spots for herniated disks, and it's possible that the scar on Doe could be a hernia repair scar as someone said earlier? I initially thought that the scar had to have been on the back because a herniated disk is in the spine area, but I saw this while researching:

"Surgical options include microdiscectomy using small surgical instruments and open surgical repair (either from a posterior or anterior approach)."

Could it have an anterior approach surgery, in which the problem was fixed from the front? Based on the definition of anterior and some research, that's what I believe the anterior approach is. I'm not an expert on surgical procedures, of course, so if you have knowledge of this, feel free to say your approach on the matter.
I'm considering submitting Florence Doolittle as a potential match to authorities; the timeline and scar really make me think it could be her.
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Anterior approach to a herniated disc was not common at all in 1982. And it is not even an option for a lumbar disc - only cervical (neck)
 
Ah, okay, that's definitely something that makes it less likely that Florence is this Jane Doe (still not impossible, but definitely less likely). Thanks for providing the insight on this topic!
 
Damn, I could have sworn it was her, the timing and the car being found in Charlotte made a lot of sense to me, almost too much sense... Although the differing scars didn't. Back to the drawing board, I guess. I sent Doolittle to the Doe Network as a potential match yesterday and heard that it wasn't considered. Wish they would've put it on the exclusions in the first place. No idea what the rule-out was based on, though, so there's that (e.g. if based on differing scars or dentals/DNA)?

I couldn't really find any more good potentials when I was looking, so I'm considering that she could have been a foreigner coming to Las Vegas as part of a vacation. It makes me sad she's gone unidentified this long. She had to have had someone to report her missing or care about her; she had a wedding-type ring, for example, so I would assume that she was married, unless her husband died if she was widowed. But I digress... if it isn't Florence, I'm not quite sure who it could be. This case really made me feel bad; she just looks like someone who would be dearly missed by those around her. And she passed away in a bathroom.

Guess I'll start looking at Interpol and the Doe Network (although I haven't heard too much praise about their EU case coverage, so there's that).
 
I wonder why she wasn’t on the ruleout list. The detective gave me no real explanation either just it wasn’t her. I live in the Charlotte area and wish they would say more about Florence. Where was the car found near an airport or bus station?? Was it common for her to visit Charlotte??? Not much information.
 
Yeah, so many questions. If there was no explanation given, that raises more questions about why she was ruled out. If it was something like dentals/DNA (which are both available for Doolittle), understandable, if it's something like scars, I feel like that's a bit more subjective and not as strong a basis. Of course, depends on the situation though. Perhaps if someone contacted the Sheriff's Office in Guilford County they could provide more info on why she was ruled out; it would be very helpful.

Knowing where the car was found would be helpful. It could be *anywhere* within Charlotte. If she visited there frequently but never came back that time, that sounds like foul play IMO. But if she didn't usually go there, it reminds me of someone perhaps going on a vacation or going away from their past life, which fits in better with her being in Las Vegas. I believe one of Doolittle's grandchildren is on Websleuths, just inactive (last post in June 2009).

Overall, the circumstances seem very interesting in relation to Doe, but more explanation might make it look even more likely or much less likely.
 
Yeah, you're right. I meant originally that perhaps scars in odd places, ones that healed, and ones that were quite small may not be noticed on the MP side, but my message was much more "definitive" then it should have been. I think it would depend on the size of the scars, how much they healed, and how generally visible they are, but I probably don't have enough experience with differences between the MP and UID cases to be able to make an educated guess on that.
 
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Yeah, you're right. I meant originally that perhaps scars in odd places, ones that healed, and ones that were quite small may not be noticed on the MP side, but my message was much more "definitive" then it should have been. I think it would depend on the size of the scars, how much they healed, and how generally visible they are, but I probably don't have enough experience with differences between the MP and UID cases to be able to make an educated guess on that.
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Gotcha. Yes, that can be hard to determine. I know I have what used to be a rather prominent scar on my finger that is now nearly gone. The part that remains looks quite different than the old one.

So yeah, possibly not quite as definitive as a dental/DNA/fingerprint ruleout, but there are several scars in quite different locations so in this case it's probably correct.
 
1) I just had an experience with an investigator and the rule out list, on another case. I suggested a missing person for an UID that was not on the rule out list. He pulled out the file and the person I suggested was in the file as a rule out, he told me he since put it on Namus. Point being there may be initial rule outs when the case is new that aren't entered in Namus.

2) I have found Namus does not offer up all the important details of a case that are known.
Carbuff you can attest to this in the example of James Bishop Jr. His MP Namus file does not mention he was wanted for murder of his family, or that he was a smoker. Through our own further research we found out both.

There are alot of woman and men that love the slot machines and will take trips to casinos. This woman also looks like she had just had her hair done as well. Plus she is wearing lipstick and has freckles.
 
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The Doe Network page says that "Investigators believe that her wallet had been stolen" but I can't find any source for that. AFAIK it's not on the Clark Cty. Coroner's website or NamUs.
 
Exactly, Namus leaves out a lot of important details on cases. So it's not an exact science with these matches go with your instinct if other things match up go for it.

This woman did not look homeless at all. Look at Carl Koppelmans reconstruction on the doe network.

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houndpounder said:
Exactly, Namus leaves out a lot of important details on cases. So it's not an exact science with these matches go with your instinct if other things match up go for it.

This woman did not look homeless at all. Look at Carl Koppelmans reconstruction on the doe network.

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I think you are totally spot on....so many details are kept from the public, for a range of reasons...sometimes you don't want to expose your spouse as a addicted gambler, having mental problems...having substance abuse problems. etc. But it could make a different in finding somebody. Getting it, if you know what I mean.
 
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