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A conclusion that could be derived from several of those options is that it was not unusual for SK to blow off appointments.
NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #17
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This is perfect. I just have to ask, is anyone else totally giddy over this new development?? I am so excited to have an new angle! I simply don't know how we didn't think of it before; there are always two home teachers. It just goes to show that we haven't thought of everything and there is still a possibility of getting some answers about Steven. Yay!
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It definitely gives us another route to explore.
It's not perfect, though. I just re-read SS's FB comment. WS TOS says we can't quote social networking sites here, so I put it on a new page on the timeline (HomeTeachingAppointment).
1 - The partner didn't know SK wasn't going to show up for the 7pm appointment.
a. The partner, expecting to meet SK somewhere, didn't go to SS's home without SK. Never sounded an alert. Never tried to call.
b. The partner hoped to meet SK at SS's home and went there without him, waiting. Never sounded an alert. Never tried to call.
2. The partner DID know SK wasn't going to be at the apointment.
appointment.
a. But didn't inform SS that no one was coming.
appointment.
appointment.
b. Found someone else to go hometeach SS.
appointment.
appointment.
c. So who WAS the partner? SA or GW? OR...did someone else know SK wasn't going to be in St George on Sunday? That person needs to speak up.
3. Steven couldn't find a partner for Sunday evening, so just blew it off himself (out of frustration?)
4. Because Steven didn't "confirm" the appointment that Sunday morning, SS figured the appointment was "off".
5. Did Steven's partner even know about the appointment?
6. Were there any other home teaching appointments scheduled, that a partner should have known about?
7. It wasn't really a hometeaching appointment.
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SO there is a chance that, like SS, Steven's home teaching partner may have assumed Steven wouldn't be available Sunday evening because he wasn't at church?! Damn!
It seems like a convoluted conclusion to draw though....just because someone's not at church, they are automatically out of commission for the entire day? TO me, an appointment is an appointment; I would assume Steven would be in attendance until he told me otherwise (regardless of his church attendance.) Why would people assume Steven would flake out unless he had a reputation for flaking? Did he?
Another thing that I know I brought up months ago. I think it's strange for SS to assume Steven was out of town UNLESS Steven regularly missed church because he was out of town. It's December, it's flu season. I would assume "Steven isn't feeling well." I wouldn't assume that an unemployed man, without the means to travel, who supposedly didn't travel regularly, was out travelling! Does that make sense?
ETA: One more thing. SS's response was rather "whatever" when Steven didn't show up. This suggests to me that it WAS a home teaching appointment, not another type of rendezvous.
It seems like a convoluted conclusion to draw though....just because someone's not at church, they are automatically out of commission for the entire day? TO me, an appointment is an appointment; I would assume Steven would be in attendance until he told me otherwise (regardless of his church attendance.) Why would people assume Steven would flake out unless he had a reputation for flaking? Did he?
Another thing that I know I brought up months ago. I think it's strange for SS to assume Steven was out of town UNLESS Steven regularly missed church because he was out of town. It's December, it's flu season. I would assume "Steven isn't feeling well." I wouldn't assume that an unemployed man, without the means to travel, who supposedly didn't travel regularly, was out travelling! Does that make sense?
ETA: One more thing. SS's response was rather "whatever" when Steven didn't show up. This suggests to me that it WAS a home teaching appointment, not another type of rendezvous.
I think it's well worth working on, at least to find out what really happened. The more I focus just on this, the more I convinced there's something there.
Not according to his family and church friends. He was supposedly very reliable, stepping in when other people wouldn't do things.
BUT....I've always been intrigued by her statement "I assumed he was out of town".
Yeah....why WOULD she assume THAT?
Is that like a false memory, something she put together AFTER she learned that Steven had disappeared out of town?
She saw him at church on Dec 6th, and they made the appointment. They, along with GW, sat together at the ward Christmas dinner at PD's home the next night.
Did he mention to her, either on Dec 6th or 7th, that he was going to be going out of town that week (ie, Ruby Valley) and when he didn't show up at church on Sunday, she thought he was STILL GONE?
If so, I believe she may have information that no one else has mentioned.
Probably. Maybe it was her version of being relieved that the home teaching didn't happen....if it didn't?
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He did tell others later in the week he was going to Sacramento....
I think you're thinking of SA. I meant SS.....wouldn't she have been concerned when Steven didn't show up if the "home teaching appointment" was something else? Sorry, I'm thinking that we were thinking something romantic was going on between SK and SS. Were you thinking something else?
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I thought this from the beginning -- not that there was anything strange about the appointment per se, but that it strongly indicated that the Ruby Valley and other trips were not the first. If he's been driving all over the countryside all fall, it makes me think that whatever happened in Henderson is much more likely to be accidental or random.
Yeah, that's what he told the N family in Ruby Valley, that he may go there.
I caught my error, but not quickly enough. Yes! SS.
If it was only SK coming to "home teach", it would have to be something else -- because they only go in twos. That was what I was thinking, perhaps in the direction of SK being desperate to find his life partner. SS, AN, etc. But I think her reaction was that of someone expecting some home teaching.
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OR MAYBE, when she got to church and didn't see Steven, she asked GW and HE told her that SK was "out of town".
BUT.....since she said "figured he was out of town", rather than "STILL out of town", it doesn't sound like something she learned from GW.
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These are questions that need to be asked and answered! There is a reason SS assumed Steven was "out of town." Maybe it doesn't seem important to whoever knows the answers, but it is!
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....and we've got a great secret agent on the case.
We sure do! But I don't want anyone to get jammed up over this. Where the heck is that PI? Or LE?
Naegle sent me an email a couple of days ago, and because it was so detailed and I wanted to answer her first, I wanted until I'd done that before I posted it here.
I'm only editing for format, and removing some personal chit-chat we did that has nothing to do with Steven's case.
The "business card" sized posters:
Deanne and I talked about it and we both think that you seem to have great ideas about where to send the cards. We wouldn't really be able to improve on what you're already doing. Thank you again.
About the new web page, etc:
I've been reading a bit on ws this afternoon. It's reafirmed my decision to stay away. I'm glad you're all still there and talking, but I can't help but want to cry after I read some of the posts. I wanted to reiterate again that we as a family aren't holding stuff back. BBM: We don't know what HPD, LVPD, SGPD or even Craig are up to these days or if they're even still investigating. I still get some wacko theories through email, but they're all "Oh I saw him a few months ago" Not helpful.
I closed down the fb page because I was tired of deleting the stripper pictures. I wrote the website because I couldn't think of anything else to do. Having to manually post comments myself gives me something to do, even if it's just busy work.
The family:
The dynamic in our family has changed. We've done everthing we can think of. Yes, we haven't done everything everyone has suggested because we are mortal and we didn't want to put anyone else at risk trying to find Steven (ie go crawling around in the vegas storm drains). Now it feels like we've run out of ideas and all we can do is hope something turns up.
The bus search:
The bus search didn't start because of one specific tip. There were several in
the early days that cited Steven on a bus. It was my very own Daddy's idea
actually. He was musing one day that it would stand to reason that if Steven
were alive he'd still be using the bus system to get around. The ideal situation would be to cover every bus for a week, but we obviously couldn't do that so we undertook as much as we could handle safely and sanely, just fyi. I could even dig up the exact routes we covered... no one ever asked me for them.
(NOTE: I didn't realize she had the info available -- and I've asked KCN to send it to us.)
The singles ward:
I also wanted to share a little bit of insight into Steven's ward. I was
reading some posts that questioned why they hadn't done much.
There are generally two types of LDS wards, family and singles' wards. Family wards cover a well-defined geographical location. Everyone in that location is considered "in the ward" wether they're LDS or not. Members try to reach out to all their neighbors and create a community. Obviously, it's a litte harder in wards with larger geographical areas.
Singles' wards are a very different creature. They have defined geographical
locations as well, but members must inform the bishop that they would like to be in his singles' ward. So, for example, Steven had two options when he moved to St George. He could have gone to the family ward or the singles ward. Take into account also the age group of a singles' ward. It's 18-29. There's no other age demographic that moves so often.
Steven had been in Bloomington hills ward for about 6 months when he
dissappeard. He was a member of the Elder's Quorum Presidency and very involved in the ward, but that doesn't mean that he knew everyone. This ward is small to begin with.
I visited the ward about 6 months after Steven went missing and
while a lot of people knew excatly who I was and had lived through the story
there were already many new ward members and old ones had moved. SA, for example, had gotten married just the week before I visited. What I'm trying to say is that singles' wards are transient in themselves. The ward did help in several of our searches. They did as much as anyone.
In summary:
That's a lot of rambeling. I'm sorry. You may post as much or as little of this
as you like on WS. I'm still here if there are questions. You'll still proabably
got a lot of IDKs though. Thanks again to you and all the WSers.
----------------------------The end
I sent a couple of questions (LONG ones!) based on what we'd been discussing lately (GW's non-communication immediately after SK disappeared, and questions about the home teaching appointment.)
If you have anything else, please let me know and I'll send it along.
I sense that the family is really at a low point, and if we can do anything (even jar some ideas...shake something loose), it can't hurt.
I'm only editing for format, and removing some personal chit-chat we did that has nothing to do with Steven's case.
The "business card" sized posters:
Deanne and I talked about it and we both think that you seem to have great ideas about where to send the cards. We wouldn't really be able to improve on what you're already doing. Thank you again.
About the new web page, etc:
I've been reading a bit on ws this afternoon. It's reafirmed my decision to stay away. I'm glad you're all still there and talking, but I can't help but want to cry after I read some of the posts. I wanted to reiterate again that we as a family aren't holding stuff back. BBM: We don't know what HPD, LVPD, SGPD or even Craig are up to these days or if they're even still investigating. I still get some wacko theories through email, but they're all "Oh I saw him a few months ago" Not helpful.
I closed down the fb page because I was tired of deleting the stripper pictures. I wrote the website because I couldn't think of anything else to do. Having to manually post comments myself gives me something to do, even if it's just busy work.
The family:
The dynamic in our family has changed. We've done everthing we can think of. Yes, we haven't done everything everyone has suggested because we are mortal and we didn't want to put anyone else at risk trying to find Steven (ie go crawling around in the vegas storm drains). Now it feels like we've run out of ideas and all we can do is hope something turns up.
The bus search:
The bus search didn't start because of one specific tip. There were several in
the early days that cited Steven on a bus. It was my very own Daddy's idea
actually. He was musing one day that it would stand to reason that if Steven
were alive he'd still be using the bus system to get around. The ideal situation would be to cover every bus for a week, but we obviously couldn't do that so we undertook as much as we could handle safely and sanely, just fyi. I could even dig up the exact routes we covered... no one ever asked me for them.
(NOTE: I didn't realize she had the info available -- and I've asked KCN to send it to us.)
The singles ward:
I also wanted to share a little bit of insight into Steven's ward. I was
reading some posts that questioned why they hadn't done much.
There are generally two types of LDS wards, family and singles' wards. Family wards cover a well-defined geographical location. Everyone in that location is considered "in the ward" wether they're LDS or not. Members try to reach out to all their neighbors and create a community. Obviously, it's a litte harder in wards with larger geographical areas.
Singles' wards are a very different creature. They have defined geographical
locations as well, but members must inform the bishop that they would like to be in his singles' ward. So, for example, Steven had two options when he moved to St George. He could have gone to the family ward or the singles ward. Take into account also the age group of a singles' ward. It's 18-29. There's no other age demographic that moves so often.
Steven had been in Bloomington hills ward for about 6 months when he
dissappeard. He was a member of the Elder's Quorum Presidency and very involved in the ward, but that doesn't mean that he knew everyone. This ward is small to begin with.
I visited the ward about 6 months after Steven went missing and
while a lot of people knew excatly who I was and had lived through the story
there were already many new ward members and old ones had moved. SA, for example, had gotten married just the week before I visited. What I'm trying to say is that singles' wards are transient in themselves. The ward did help in several of our searches. They did as much as anyone.
In summary:
That's a lot of rambeling. I'm sorry. You may post as much or as little of this
as you like on WS. I'm still here if there are questions. You'll still proabably
got a lot of IDKs though. Thanks again to you and all the WSers.
----------------------------The end
I sent a couple of questions (LONG ones!) based on what we'd been discussing lately (GW's non-communication immediately after SK disappeared, and questions about the home teaching appointment.)
If you have anything else, please let me know and I'll send it along.
I sense that the family is really at a low point, and if we can do anything (even jar some ideas...shake something loose), it can't hurt.
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An aha moment regarding the home teaching visits!!! Thank you so much to everyone who responded to my inquiry regarding home teaching.
Also, I'm not sure I can post this here, but anyone else notice that on GW's Facebook he has a number of lady friends who work in casinos, and not as dealers or cage clerks. What on earth is he doing in his spare time? IMO he's doing what any other non LDS single man would be doing in Las Vegas...going to bars, and gambling.
Also, I'm not sure I can post this here, but anyone else notice that on GW's Facebook he has a number of lady friends who work in casinos, and not as dealers or cage clerks. What on earth is he doing in his spare time? IMO he's doing what any other non LDS single man would be doing in Las Vegas...going to bars, and gambling.
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My cards were removed from the community information area at the entrance to the local Henderson library. I was so upset when I saw this today that I couldn't have asked the librarians in a mature manner, so I didn't ask.
Oh, but there was a general computer generated flier for signing up for the local Henderson car show coming up. grrrrr
Oh, but there was a general computer generated flier for signing up for the local Henderson car show coming up. grrrrr
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IIRC, didn't someone say Steven spoke of going to LV? Many people could have known ahead of time....just as SA knew SK was not going to be at the BB game on Wed. the 16th.
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I'm so sorry. What are your thoughts on the library angle? I see a lot of questionalble characters near the library on Flamingo/Maryland Parkway every day.
Thoughts?
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A lot of times EQ Pres and Counselor are partners. But according to the rules they never go alone, to men or women. Period.
On the same note of Home Teaching...remember GW said he found Home Teaching stuff in SK's apartment when he and the family went there? And I got the impression he didn't know SK was working on it. But with that said...it would generally be GW's responsibility to make partnerships and decide who they were to visit. Its like SK was doing something "special" for GW?? This is one of the responsibilities given to the EQ Pres. Until my husband became Ward Mission Leader he was 2nd Counslor to the EQ Pres, so my knowledge is first hand of how is "should" work.
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