Match! NY - Caledonia, WhtFem 1UFNY, 13-19, Turquoise Necklace, Nov'79 *Tammy Alexander*

[Still_Seek_Answers]

One of the compelling aspects of this case is that it seems that not only was her family lacking resources - it seems that they were not functioning in any reasonable way -- such as finding a dental clinic or ER or potentially even looking for her. It seems that Cali barely had a chance and yet it seems that she was resourceful and tried.

I know this girl is not from the area the teeth marked, and she is a little older than most of the girls I looked at.....but.....as sketchy as her missing case is, who knows? It says she has a tattoo, but nobody knows where or of what? Actually says very little. I think she has the chin, eyes and maybe ears. Hard to tell from this photo.
http://www.nampn.org/cases/cupps_teresa.html

This girl is also older, but with the side view the noses seem similar.....or I need sleep......the details on her are what really caught my attention:
http://www.nampn.org/cases/gregory_mary.html

This girls vitals have her listed as to tall, but we all know how inaccurate that can be. says she had been in a foster home, does not explain why....
http://www.nampn.org/cases/wyant_cherie.html

 

[vstacey74]

I always assumed that the killer emptied the pockets after the death to either take id or to just take whatever she had. No bag was ever discovered right? Presumably she had a purse or bag with any other belonging's. Wonder if anyone turned anything of interest to the police in the following months in the area. More likely that the killer either threw it in the trash or gave it to family member as a gift. (Especially if it was a nice item). Looking at the original crime scene photos, she was not dragged very far into the cornfield, her left leg was bent at a very odd angle. looks like she was a lot closer to the road. It was posted in a true detective magazine issue. Not sure if anyone has it. Maybe she was shot while still in a vehicle then again in the back if she was still alive in some way then thrown out of the car. I didn't think that anyone moved her into the field, just thrown out like garbage. Our poor angel needs a name. Maybe there was passing traffic and he just threw her out the vehicle to get away fast.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

I always assumed that the killer emptied the pockets after the death to either take id or to just take whatever she had. No bag was ever discovered right? Presumably she had a purse or bag with any other belonging's. Wonder if anyone turned anything of interest to the police in the following months in the area.. I didn't think that anyone moved her into the field, just thrown out like garbage. Our poor angel needs a name. Maybe there was passing traffic and he just threw her out the vehicle to get away fast.

I saw the photos from the magazine, that was when I became aware of how close to the road she was. Blood indicates she was shot in the back outside of the corn field, and then drug into before being shot in the head. I read that on posts earlier in the thread.

Carrying a purse was not real trendy at that time......best as I can recall.....we just generally shoved stuff into our pockets and went. I see no mention anywhere of her having a bag of an type with her during any of the sightings. I doubt the child had much....back then she could have pretty much gotten clothing at a church or thrift store along the way. It was not uncommon to just give things to someone in need.

Good question as to if anybody turned anything in, but surely it would be listed if they had?

Yes, she needs a name.......lease:

 

[vstacey74]

need to ask. Does anyone know the exact issue of the true detective magazine. I cant seem to find the info anywhere.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

need to ask. Does anyone know the exact issue of the true detective magazine. I cant seem to find the info anywhere.

I do not know what issue, but the photos from the article are posted here:
http://icaremissingpersonscoldcases...ed-Female-in-1979-in-CaledoniaNY#.UkLMaoY3tb0

And this is the link to the older doe network page which states she was shot in the back at the side of the road.

http://web.archive.org/web/20071029201647/http://doenetwork.org/cases/1ufny.html

The victim was apparently shot by the road where a blood spot marked the earth. Then she was dragged into the cornfield and shot again.
Police speculated that the murder weapon used was a .38-caliber handgun. Ballistics experts dug up a slug buried in the dirt underneath the victim. The slug was tested against literally hundreds of other bullets fired from guns seized by police. Over the years, the Livingston County probers traced weapons to as far away as Canada, Europe, and Mexico, but they were never able to match the slug to a murder weapon.
Several truckers called in with information about a young girl who was traveling and catching rides where she could. One trucker swore he saw the girl the night before she was murdered trying to hitch a ride to Boston from a nearby truck stop.

 

[Nameless Helper]

I did not know there was a Boston NY. Is where she was found a possible route to there from where she was last seen?

I am curious as to how they know for sure the pockets were turned out after she was killed?

I remember things were so much different back then. Kids hitchhiked all over the place. It was safer getting into cars with strangers, or so people thought. Truckers were known for picking up hitchhikers, and often even buying them a meal. My dad was an over the road driver, and he used to say if you ever break down or needed help always trust the truckers.

Something else that strikes me as odd, whoever killed her drug her into the cornfield to shot her the second time......but did not really make any real effort to hide her body.

Boston NY would be in her direction of travel from Lima.

 

[DrDMike]

Did they do a drug screen and what we're the results? I also wonder if the condition of her teeth was congenital and not from a lack of care.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

I do not know if they did a drug screen.......I do remember in one of the articles it said no apparent drug use........
She liked to be "pretty" that is apparent from the jewelry and hair......her teeth do not match with that....IMO......and these were her "adult" teeth.
The food found in her stomach was healthy food, so someone had made sure she had a full meal not that long before she was murdered.
Truckers remember seeing her at that truck stop trying to get a ride...... I did not see anywhere any indication she was "working" the truck stop.......

 

[Roselvr]

Has any info been released on her hygiene beyond her tooth decay? Did she shave her underarms and legs? Remove any facial hairs? Her eyebrows look tweezed, so she had access to a tweezer at some point. She also cared enough to frost her hair approx 4 months before her death. Was she brushing her teeth?

If she had been raised or living in the sw, as the test on her teeth revealed, then most likely she was hitch hiking from area to area. That was common back then. I wish they had listed rather or not she was sexually active. I also wish they had listed more details about her general hygiene.( Shaved arm pits, legs, etc) All to often when children are out there on their own, they do not follow the normal routine, so it may not have helped much.

Think these are great questions for LE

ElizabethGill

Not sure but I recognized her photo from this FB page

Stolen Babies Are you a Stolen child

http://www.nampn.org/cases/prevost_diane.html
I know she was mentioned in a earlier post. Was she ever ruled out?

Don't think they have DNA

http://www.nampn.org/cases/elwell_judith.html

These are the very young girls I found missing between 1956 and 1969. I excluded children who had went missing with their mothers, but in hindsight.....if it was someone after the child, I probably should have listed them also.

I did not omit any child based on area last known, because just because a child is raised in a region......that does not mean they were not relocated there as a small child......am I correct on this assumption?

Someone way better on comparing will have to give me thoughts on these girls. I also did not omit any child by hair color. Many children with blonde hair at a young age has dark hair by teenage years.

I did not see any of these names on the list of rule outs for Cali on the NAMUS site.

Judith Ann Elwell - I checked our database and this is already been submitted.

Thank you,
Best Regards,
Rocky Wells
Potential Match Database Administrator
Area Director Of Ohio/Florida, Doe Network
"International Center For Unidentified And Missing Persons
February 10 at 11:20am

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caledonia_Jane_Doe

Based on the Casuarina match to southern California, the spruce and birch grains, and the girl's visible tan lines, forensic researchers suggested that Caledonia Jane Doe may have originally lived in the southwestern United States near San Diego, California, then traveled (perhaps by hitchhiking) through the Sierra Nevada mountains where spruce and birch grow to Reno, Nevada, and then traveled across the country to New York, where she was murdered.

This article also states she was shot in the head beside the road, then in the back in the cornfield......not sure what they based that on.

As much publicity as this case has gotten.....and nobody reported giving her a ride on her journey? That, to me is very strange......it is just downright odd......how does a young girl make that trip hitching and nobody talked to her? Nobody admitted giving her a ride?

I would love to talk to the officer who did the article........would love to have the answers to several questions........

How the heck does a child hitch hike across the US and nobody saw her? Unreal.......completely unreal........

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

Don't think they have DNA

that would not shock me, but it would amaze me........surely she has living relatives who could submit DNA for her?

 

[angel14437]

This map shows the route from Lima, NY to Caledonia, NY to Boston, NY. I-390 and I-90, major interstate highways, are very close to all three locations.
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en

This map shows the route from Caledonia, NY to Boston, NY. via US 20 W, which is the road Cali was found on. This route between Lima, Caledonia and Boston NY makes more sense that Cali was trying to get to Boston, NY rather than Boston, MA. The distance from Caledonia to Boston, NY is 66 miles!!! Boston, Ma is in the opposite direction.
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en

Cali may have thought she was on her way to Boston, NY via Route 20. Something horrible happened shortly after they turned onto Route 20.

Does anyone know the location of the truck stop that Cali was reported to be seen by truckers?

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

I do not remember seeing the truck stop name listed in any of the articles......but I can not say for sure.......I could have missed it.

 

[CarlK90245]

... This article also states she was shot in the head beside the road, then in the back in the cornfield......not sure what they based that on.

BBM


Don't know how to put it any more delicately, but I would guess that there was blood and brain matter on the roadside, a trail of blood leading into the spot where she was found, and a bullet in the dirt underneath the bullet wound to her back.

 

[CarlK90245]

I'm a little confused about the comment that she was shot in the back. The crime scene photo shows her lying on her back. Perhaps the person who found her turned her over.

 

[angel14437]

This map shows the route from Lima, NY to Caledonia, NY to Boston, NY. I-390 and I-90, major interstate highways, are very close to all three locations.
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en

This map shows the route from Caledonia, NY to Boston, NY. via US 20 W, which is the road Cali was found on. This route between Lima, Caledonia and Boston NY makes more sense that Cali was trying to get to Boston, NY rather than Boston, MA. The distance from Caledonia to Boston, NY is 66 miles!!! Boston, Ma is in the opposite direction.
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en

Cali may have thought she was on her way to Boston, NY via Route 20. Something horrible happened shortly after they turned onto Route 20.

Does anyone know the location of the truck stop that Cali was reported to be seen by truckers?

I don't think my links worked! It made perfect sense when I looked at the maps!

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

I did think of that Carl.......but this is what confuses me about it.......the earlier article with the crime scene photos shows her lying on her back.
http://icaremissingpersonscoldcases....Y#.UkLMaoY3tb0

Her earlier missing page says she was shot in the back first, at the side of the road.

http://web.archive.org/web/200710292...ses/1ufny.html

They determined that by blood, but has no mention of grey matter......

That made me wonder what had changed to make then now say it was the other way? I know it could have just been a typo thing where whoever entered it typed it backwards.......but this page has been edited several times and some are fairly recent (2013) so surely someone would have corrected it?

Sorry, I am big on details......experience has taught me how important the little often overlooked things can be.......plus I stay irate over that era.......where run aways were treated like throw aways......names and info just deleted from the system and often no reports were filed......... I know time and experience has changed that practise.......but the price paid was way to high

 

[momrids6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caledonia_Jane_Doe

Based on the Casuarina match to southern California, the spruce and birch grains, and the girl's visible tan lines, forensic researchers suggested that Caledonia Jane Doe may have originally lived in the southwestern United States near San Diego, California, then traveled (perhaps by hitchhiking) through the Sierra Nevada mountains where spruce and birch grow to Reno, Nevada, and then traveled across the country to New York, where she was murdered.

How the heck does a child hitch hike across the US and nobody saw her? Unreal.......completely unreal........

RSBM: I see how they came up with that- but that Casaurina matches South Florida too. The vast majority of North to South travel from that part of upstate NY is to and from Florida, not the West Coast- especially in that era. Every teen in the Rochester area went to Ft Lauderdale for Spring Break- and families went to Myrtle Beach and Miami- first on US 1 / US 17 and then on I-95 when it was completed.

 

[momrids6]

Northbound Interstate 95 enters the toll plaza along the New England Section of the New York State Thruway. The Interstate 95 shield posted on the toll plaza is a contender for the largest such shield on the Interstate Highway System. Photo taken by AARoads (08/29/05).

http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-095.html

The NY State Thruway is Rt 96 and runs across the state. Rt20 runs the same way- and was used before the thruway was put in. In 1979, it was the "scenic route" across NYS.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

RSBM: I see how they came up with that- but that Casaurina matches South Florida too. The vast majority of North to South travel from that part of upstate NY is to and from Florida, not the West Coast- especially in that era. Every teen in the Rochester area went to Ft Lauderdale for Spring Break- and families went to Myrtle Beach and Miami- first on US 1 / US 17 and then on I-95 when it was completed.

I agree.......Florida was where all the teenagers wanted to be.......but then one has to wonder where the spruce and birch came from if not the Sierra Nevada mountains?

Plus still makes me wonder why nobody came forward and said, hey I/we gave her a ride/bought her a meal......or she slept here.........The trip from Florida does make more sense in that it would have taken much less time, so fewer people would have came in contact with her.