Match! NY - Caledonia, WhtFem 1UFNY, 13-19, Turquoise Necklace, Nov'79 *Tammy Alexander*

[DrDMike]

I agree.......Florida was where all the teenagers wanted to be.......but then one has to wonder where the spruce and birch came from if not the Sierra Nevada mountains?

Plus still makes me wonder why nobody came forward and said, hey I/we gave her a ride/bought her a meal......or she slept here.........The trip from Florida does make more sense in that it would have taken much less time, so fewer people would have came in contact with her.

I imagine most truckers would not want their employers or wives finding out that they gave rides to a young teenager who ended up murdered.

 

[momrids6]

I agree.......Florida was where all the teenagers wanted to be.......but then one has to wonder where the spruce and birch came from if not the Sierra Nevada mountains?

Plus still makes me wonder why nobody came forward and said, hey I/we gave her a ride/bought her a meal......or she slept here.........The trip from Florida does make more sense in that it would have taken much less time, so fewer people would have came in contact with her.

Spruce and birch grow up and down that corridor- and are abundant in NY. They also could have been in the car she was riding in- or the coat, which we do not know if it was even hers

 

[momrids6]

I am wondering if either of these UIDs has any connection to Cali's killer?

NY - Iroquois Natl. Wildlife Refuge, WhtFem 697UFNY, 20-23, Gapped Teeth, Oct'83

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117778&highlight=Orleans

Broward County Florida Unidentified Girl, killed 3 Aug 1982

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27378&highlight=Orleans

 

[momrids6]

Well I can not get the pic to upload, but I do have the link. Does anybody else think her face looks less round? Her nose looks less puggy and her eyes have a different shape than I expected. I know a deceased person can bloat so maybe that explains the difference?


http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...seNum=1102079&orgPrefix=NCMU&searchLang=en_US

This looks nothing like the girl in the post mortem photos, imo. If you look at my post above- someone changed the look of that UID in the same manner. I would say Carl's is spot on

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

I am wondering if either of these UIDs has any connection to Cali's killer?

NY - Iroquois Natl. Wildlife Refuge, WhtFem 697UFNY, 20-23, Gapped Teeth, Oct'83

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117778&highlight=Orleans

Broward County Florida Unidentified Girl, killed 3 Aug 1982

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27378&highlight=Orleans

I think the Florida girl resembles this girl so much in the one photo:
http://www.nampn.org/cases/bailey_andria.html

That is JMHO. I do not see a connection.......but I also do not not see a connection.......

 

[momrids6]

I think the Florida girl resembles this girl so much in the one photo:
http://www.nampn.org/cases/bailey_andria.html

That is JMHO. I do not see a connection.......but I also do not not see a connection.......

There's a postmortem photo available for this Jane Doe.

*** WARNING - POSTMORTEM PHOTO AT LINK ***
http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums...85935610045078242S600x600Q851_zpsc2357804.jpg

NamUs UP # 1272 https://identifyus.org/cases/1272?page=case_information

I don't see the resemblance between her and Emma Vaughan, but the PM photo is of poor quality, and the UID's features are distorted by postmortem effects.

Unfortunately, they didn't put the dental chart in NamUs. Emma has a chipped front tooth, and that would be indicated on the dental chart if there was one.

http://websleuths.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=6004049

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

This looks nothing like the girl in the post mortem photos, imo. If you look at my post above- someone changed the look of that UID in the same manner. I would say Carl's is spot on

I have always liked Carl's drawings of how the people looked. He has a great eye and allot of talent.

 

[LucyOso]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caledonia_Jane_Doe

Based on the Casuarina match to southern California, the spruce and birch grains, and the girl's visible tan lines, forensic researchers suggested that Caledonia Jane Doe may have originally lived in the southwestern United States near San Diego, California, then traveled (perhaps by hitchhiking) through the Sierra Nevada mountains where spruce and birch grow to Reno, Nevada, and then traveled across the country to New York, where she was murdered.

Respectfully snipped by me. Going off what you posted...Casuarina or Australia pine is indigenous to Australasia, the Indian Subcontinent, southeast Asia, and islands of the western Pacific Ocean. It grows in a limited number of locations in North America: South Florida, South Texas, parts of Mexico, Invasive in Hawaii, on the campuses of the University of Arizona and Arizona State University, and three regions in California: the North Bay of San Francisco, the San Luis Obispo area, and the San Diego area.

According to the pollen evidence done at Texas A & M: The best matches to the clothing Casuarina pollen grains were found to be grains from southern California and the San Diego region.

When the research indicates best match, I am led to believe these are not an exact match. If it is, then forgive my rant...As there are 17 species in the family, in 3 genera is it possible this pollen match did not come from the US? This can mean 3 things IMOO...1) Cali could be from another continent, such as Australia (she would have similar tan lines, hair styles, etc.) International travel was pretty lax in those days, especially if traveling with a child or teen. 2) If it was contact pollen, the perp could have traveled outside the US. Some of the areas on the below map are regions where there are military bases. That would explain the kill shot. 3) The jacket was manufactured in a developing country with to reduce costs and the Casuarina pollen was there due to that. :twocents: I know her teeth indicated she was from the southwest, but, I wonder if those markers are common in other countries with similar climate and geology?

Just doing a brief scan of doe network turned up a quiet few missing young females. I will post them below. I don't think they are Cali, but, I think when we look at UID's in this time frame, international travel is very possible. "Backpacking" is a very common means of travel for young teens and adults from overseas and many young women, like Kim Teer vanished.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/121dfnsw.html

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1286dfdeu.html

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/408dfita.html

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1966dfsk.html






http://projects.nfstc.org/trace/2009/presentations/3-bryant-palynology1.pdf

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

I have actually looked at this girl a few times and thought she could be Cali :
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1966dfsk.html

And it is odd that you mentioned Australia, I even found three girls missing from there that I thought might be her. I did not think about the fact that she may have came from a military family because of her teeth. I know things change but my father was military for many years, and it used to be that you were not allowed to let your family not get medical/dental care.

I agree that there most likely is not a exclusive exact match, and the grains could have been on the clothing when she obtained them......or in a vehicle she rode in..... or many of several other ways.
Truckers at that time were well known for picking up hitchhikers. If she was in a truck the pollen could have came from anywhere.
I like the regressed photo of her on this page:
http://www.co.livingston.state.ny.us/Sheriff/cr138159.htm
Something just makes me feel that this child was missing a long time before she was found murdered.
I have no idea on how common the markers on her teeth are, or what areas they may have indicated.
Does anybody remember?

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

I imagine most truckers would not want their employers or wives finding out that they gave rides to a young teenager who ended up murdered.

That could be......but my dad was a OTR trucker......and we have met many other truck driving families.....best as I can recall it was fairly much common knowledge back then that truck drivers picked up hitchhikers.....and her murder is why I am shocked nobody came forward and said at the very least, I picked her up at this place, and dropped her off at this place.....JMO.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

* Area was a cornfield directly across from a semi-truck rest area past where routes 5 and 20 split; Interstate 90 is also in the area

I found this on the internet.....is it true? Was the cornfield Cali was found in across from a truck stop? Does anybody out there know?

Oh, and am I allowed to post this? If not please remove it. I would like to know if it is true.

 

[Roselvr]

that would not shock me, but it would amaze me........surely she has living relatives who could submit DNA for her?

Diane's website by family
Yes; but Canada does things differently. Not sure who would request DNA.

I agree.......Florida was where all the teenagers wanted to be.......but then one has to wonder where the spruce and birch came from if not the Sierra Nevada mountains?

Plus still makes me wonder why nobody came forward and said, hey I/we gave her a ride/bought her a meal......or she slept here.........The trip from Florida does make more sense in that it would have taken much less time, so fewer people would have came in contact with her.

Could be a number of reasons why no one came forward; similar to another JD in TN who was picked up at a truck stop in 1987. No one came forward to say they dropped her off.

My hub was running that TN route back then; he didn't hear about it; so possible truckers didn't hear about Cali either.

Not sure how popular CB's were in 79; how many truckers actually left theirs on & if LE put a message out on them. By then; any truckers could be long gone & out of the channel range.

 

[angel14437]

I live in the area. There is a restaurant on Route 5 & 20 just before 5 & 20 split. Literally at the corner of the split. You pass the restaurant and immediately turn left to go onto RT 20. It was a stop for truckers traveling this route. It is not considered a "truck stop" by locals. There are no gas pumps, just a restaurant with easy parking for big rigs.
This area is 15 miles from Lima , NY and 66 miles from Boston, NY. Route 20 is a well traveled truck route still today.
This photo shows the front of the restaurant and parking lot. You can see Route 20 just past the restaurant to the left.
I believe that Cali was found not very far from the intersection.

 

[Nameless Helper]

* Area was a cornfield directly across from a semi-truck rest area past where routes 5 and 20 split; Interstate 90 is also in the area

I found this on the internet.....is it true? Was the cornfield Cali was found in across from a truck stop? Does anybody out there know?

Oh, and am I allowed to post this? If not please remove it. I would like to know if it is true.

I was just there. Seen earlier post. There were no building within 1/2 mile in either direction. The site according to my google and GPS readings is on the outside corner of a slight bend in the road (dogs leg). Providing clear sight in both directions but remote.

Approx 1/2 mile north at the intersection of 5&20 there is a now closed (prob 60's-70s construction Restauant/Diner (this is not the diner in Lima she was seen at). See photo. And a warehouse / industrial building. Otherwise there is vacant land on all the other corners. The road crosses a river/marsh to the east on 5 and then you enter a residential area.

This is also south of 90 and not far off the N/S interstate. Many trucks passes when I was there but is is mostly farmland.

 

[angel14437]

As you can see from the above photo...the parking lot of the restaurant and the grassy area in front of the restaurant is at the intersection of 5 & 20. This is where they would have turned onto Route 20 West coming from Lima, NY, heading West toward Boston, NY.
This photo shows the side entrance to the restaurant from Route 20 traveling east. It is definitely at the intersection of Routes 5 & 20.

 

[LucyOso]

I have actually looked at this girl a few times and thought she could be Cali :
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1966dfsk.html

And it is odd that you mentioned Australia, I even found three girls missing from there that I thought might be her. I did not think about the fact that she may have came from a military family because of her teeth. I know things change but my father was military for many years, and it used to be that you were not allowed to let your family not get medical/dental care.

I agree that there most likely is not a exclusive exact match, and the grains could have been on the clothing when she obtained them......or in a vehicle she rode in..... or many of several other ways.
Truckers at that time were well known for picking up hitchhikers. If she was in a truck the pollen could have came from anywhere.
I like the regressed photo of her on this page:
http://www.co.livingston.state.ny.us/Sheriff/cr138159.htm
Something just makes me feel that this child was missing a long time before she was found murdered.
I have no idea on how common the markers on her teeth are, or what areas they may have indicated.
Does anybody remember?

BBM. The dental issues are interesting. Many things can predispose someone to rapid tooth decay. A lot of things can cause dental issues in a matter of years. In the USA we have fluoridated water, but many other countries do not. Many other countries aren't as fixated on dental care as well.

I am not sure what to think of the pollen and if it is or is not an exact match. It would be interesting to see where the jackets where manufactured, if that is the source, because if you look at the map below, it shows the natural distribution rate for the pollen. If it was manufactured in a developing country, like those on the map, it would be easy to see how it could be present in the fibers.



I also think she may have been missing for some time due to the teeth, but not years and years. Someone mentioned a race in the area and she had a coat on, she may have been trafficked to the area for prostitution and that would eliminate trucker sightings, etc. The waitress reports she saw her, but, she could have just used the bathroom. We know she wasn't sexually assaulted, per LE, but do we know if she was sexually active? She also could have arrived via people who setup booths at major events, too.

Ultimately, she was forced there, ran away to there because home was much worse, or was searching for someone. She must have been so scared, sad, alone. :-(

 

[LucyOso]

I have a question about ID'ed remains. With some cases, this one included, is there any possibility she was reported missing at some point and remains were found and thought to be hers and the case was closed? Obviously, with DNA testing and other testing, it is much easier to identify people in now. Have there been cases where the UID was identified and later it turned out that that was not the correct ID? I just wonder if part of the reason why some of the cases are open so long, is that the cases were closed because the wrong remains were ID'ed years and years ago. Ideas?

 

[CarlK90245]

I have a question about ID'ed remains. With some cases, this one included, is there any possibility she was reported missing at some point and remains were found and thought to be hers and the case was closed? Obviously, with DNA testing and other testing, it is much easier to identify people in now. Have there been cases where the UID was identified and later it turned out that that was not the correct ID? I just wonder if part of the reason why some of the cases are open so long, is that the cases were closed because the wrong remains were ID'ed years and years ago. Ideas?

I can think of a couple of instances where that has happened.

Michael Baulch (one of the victims of Houston TX serial killer Dean Corll) was mis-identified after multiple bodies were found in 1973. The wrong body was buried in Baulch's grave aside Baulch's brother Billy (who was also a victim of Corll). Baulch's body remained UID until recently, when the foul-up was discovered. Mark Scott (i.e., the person buried in Baulch's grave) was classified as a missing person until recently, when a news reporter interviewed Corll accomplice Wayne Henley and Henley insisted that Scott was buried in a different location from where the mis-identified remains were found.

A second instance involves the remains found in Galexburg IL that were recently ID'd as Helen Alps. The body was originally mis-identified as a woman named Lula Hood. Lula Hood was located alive years after Alps' body was mis-identified as belonging to Lula Hood.

 

[annegrete]

Boston, NY, 1979- would there have been anything going on to draw Cali? Maybe she didn't specify which Boston she wanted to go to, and it was only assumed Boston, MA.

Another possibility is that she thought Boston "Beantown" was Boston, NY. Anything is possible w/ a kid that may not have received much schooling, especially if she was a runaway and frightened/tired. If not this confusion, perhaps she had ties to Boston, NY?

I would also like to know the order of the shots. I read that she was shot in the head first, then dragged, then shot in the back. Based on the published forensics of the crime scene, could the shooter have done head, then back, then set her on her back? But shooting her back, then head makes sense, shoot in the back to disable her, then in the head to finish her off.

Last question- the teeth isotopes- is it possible that those isotope could appear in another country? Did they test for flouride? Did Australia have flouride in its water supply at the time?

 

[angel14437]

I think it is a possibility that she was trying to make her way to Boston, NY given the route that was followed from Lima to Route 20 W. This is the way I would travel if I were going from Lima to Boston, NY.