NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #7

[carbuff]

Yes, there is a strong link. the office for the job PH held, SCPD police surgeon, and Director of Suffolk County's Emergency Medical Services, is located at 100 vets Hwy in Happauge. Google map it and notice the proximity to the Holiday Inn express 2 of the girls are connected to (within hundreds of yards).

I am from a town that borders Hauppauge, when I realized the proximity of the office and that hotel, combined with the fact that the bodies are ending up where they are.... it all but sealed the deal for me.

Anyone with a decent understanding of probability would tell you that the chance of girls going missing from where you work, and ending up dead where you live (20 miles apart) is pretty low (unless you transported them that is).

Now, combine that probability, with the probability that the Gilbert family picked your name from a hat and fabricated a damming phone call that points to you as a suspect....

you can go ask a math prof if you want, but it's akin to winning the "anti-lottery" if you ask me...

One critical variable being how many other people work where I work, and live near where I live. It looks like thousands must work along that highway by the time you take into account state offices, medical facilities, hotels, lunch places, etc. Granted that there are probably only a couple hundred people living on the south shore, there could still be several dozen people who fit the basic pattern.

And there's also the possibility that someone is trying to cast suspicion in a different direction.

 

[twocuriouscats]

Something inside keeps telling me that the head found in the bag on Oak Beach is going to link back to Taylor. Just a feeling, but it's a powerful one. If it does link back, does that mean Taylor (and the other Manorville victims) is the work of our SK? I haven't a clue at this point. Until we get some id on the latest remains found, I'm completely stumped as to whether our SK even has an m.o. we can use for profiling. I would think he'd stick to a pattern (ie; strangulation, burlap bags, leaving bodies whole), but now, I just can't say that with any certainty. I honestly no longer know what I think. :banghead:

Hi Mk,


Just wanted to point out one thing about the skull - THERE ARE TWO!

One in Suffolk County (part of the 2nd set of four - not identified yet), AND one in Nassau County (one of the last two sets found, bringing the total to 10).

Sorry if this was posted already - I just figured it out on the weekend - another poster had asked if there were two. Pretty sure I found it on the newsday site. I'll see if I can get a link...

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

I know 'ol doctor dude looks creepy as a spider. I know there are many coincidences connected to him. But he is not the sk--I don't believe. It ain't him.

 

[svpernin]

Truthfully though I think people could find coincidences with a lot of people if they were looking for them.

If I try hard enough I could link my husband to the case..... His brother knows JB. He used to drive a tow truck for the company that handles the parkways. That company is right down the block from JB. He now works for a utility company and drives a white truck. So no one would notice him pulled over on the side of the road on OP. We have a 4wd permit....


I'm not saying there is no connection but I think it's easy to find connections when you look hard enough. JMHO of course

Very good point and I have been trying my hardest to keep an open mind. However, the coincidences with JB and PH go above and beyond normal, everyday coincidences like what you used in your example. JB admitted SG was at his house the night she disappeared...she ran away screaming. Someone called giving the PH's name in connection with SG, this person somehow had access to SG's mothers phone number. Both JB and PH live very close to where the remains were found and to where SG was last seen.

The little things that are coming up have increasing significance because of the BIG connections that have been revealed already.

If they are not involved, I believe that someone who knows them is trying to set them up for some reason. And they're doing a pretty good job at it. JMO, as always.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

In no particular order:

I think there are quite a few other murders that we don't have bodies for yet. Many of them are probably missing people from that master list I posted a while back, but many others were probably never reported missing.

I don't think there's a second dumping ground per se. I think the entire loop area is the dumping ground, and there are probably bodies that haven't been found all along the way.

I think the many if not most of the trails start in the Port Authority terminal, Penn Station, the Camden NJ terminal, and possibly Jersey City and Atlantic City as well (though I don't think the AC murders are related). I think this is because he either lives in, works in, or frequently has reason to travel to or through these other areas.

I used to think he was a summer person. Even though all the bodies and dates we have are summer murders, I'm less sure of that now. But there's something seasonal about it.

I'm not sure whether the dismemberment killer is the same one who left the bodies along the Parkway. I'm inclined to think he is -- but if not, most of what I'm thinking is about the dismemberment killer.

Either way, I'm just glad you're gathering info on the other bodies found on LI. My brain simply will NOT allow me to focus on knowns and unknowns at the same time. The minute I try, the picture becomes so blurred for me that I might as well not even bother to look at it. That's why I have to have 2 maps. My mind just has it's own particular limitations, I guess.

But it's comforting to me to know that, IF it turns out there's a connection between all these bodies, you, at least, will have the information handy. Plus, it really really bothers me that there are so many discarded bodies and no one seems to give a damn about them, you know?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Truthfully though I think people could find coincidences with a lot of people if they were looking for them.

If I try hard enough I could link my husband to the case..... His brother knows JB. He used to drive a tow truck for the company that handles the parkways. That company is right down the block from JB. He now works for a utility company and drives a white truck. So no one would notice him pulled over on the side of the road on OP. We have a 4wd permit....


I'm not saying there is no connection but I think it's easy to find connections when you look hard enough. JMHO of course

Okay, DC. We're going to need the name of your husband and his brother, where they work, where they live, and a time when they can come in for questioning.

Thanks.

 

[truthspider]

Do you know when he was director of EMS? Was it within the last couple of years or longer?


And I may be wrong but I think the EMS office and the HIExpress are a bit more than a few hundred yards away.

It could still be coincidental. I used to work in Hauppauge and I've driven on OP hundreds of times.

carbuff, you are right, it's 2 miles from office to holiday inn. but you would be passing it returning from work to oak beach...everyday...

I don't have the dates of employment yet, someone needs to help get that...sleuthers?

As for the Manorville connection, Mr H <mod snip> did find gainful employment at Central Suffolk Hospital, 1300 Roanoke Avenue, Riverhead, NY 11901. If you left work in Riverhead and headed back to oak beach where you lived, 8 miles outside of riverhead off the side of the expressway you would find 4 dismembered women (some identified as prostitutes)
What a coincidence huh?

I never looked for the dates of employment at either happauge or riverhead, I guess I felt that the locations alone stacked the odds high enough that i didn't even feel like i needed to.

can a sleuther find those employment dates for us?

riverhead 2000 - 2004 (ish)
hauppauge 2006 - 2009 (ish)

 

[silversurvivor]

Does anyone know if there is a Nassua or Suffolk County web site that lists property ownership by name. I can due that in my county by going to the county gov site under the tax division. I have seen some townships on LI that you can do it my address, but not a name. Anyone know?

I know there is but I have to get that info from computer, on iPad now at work i know Cause I looked up a certain individual who had 4 properties to his name

 

[Mountain_Kat]

carbuff, you are right, it's 2 miles from office to holiday inn. but you would be passing it returning from work to oak beach...everyday...

I don't have the dates of employment yet, someone needs to help get that...sleuthers?

As for the Manorville connection, Mr H <mod snip> did find gainful employment at Central Suffolk Hospital, 1300 Roanoke Avenue, Riverhead, NY 11901. If you left work in Riverhead and headed back to oak beach where you lived, 8 miles outside of riverhead off the side of the expressway you would find 4 dismembered women (some identified as prostitutes)
What a coincidence huh?

I never looked for the dates of employment at either happauge or riverhead, I guess I felt that the locations alone stacked the odds high enough that i didn't even feel like i needed to.

can a sleuther find those employment dates for us?

riverhead 2000 - 2004 (ish)
hauppauge 2006 - 2009 (ish)

Another coincidence:

Doc's father used to work at the hospital in Hempstead, and we have yet another body that turned up in Hempstead.

 

[dcgrumpy]

carbuff, you are right, it's 2 miles from office to holiday inn. but you would be passing it returning from work to oak beach...everyday...

I don't have the dates of employment yet, someone needs to help get that...sleuthers?

As for the Manorville connection, Mr H <mod snip> did find gainful employment at Central Suffolk Hospital, 1300 Roanoke Avenue, Riverhead, NY 11901. If you left work in Riverhead and headed back to oak beach where you lived, 8 miles outside of riverhead off the side of the expressway you would find 4 dismembered women (some identified as prostitutes)
What a coincidence huh?

I never looked for the dates of employment at either happauge or riverhead, I guess I felt that the locations alone stacked the odds high enough that i didn't even feel like i needed to.

can a sleuther find those employment dates for us?

riverhead 2000 - 2004 (ish)
hauppauge 2006 - 2009 (ish)

I read somewhere that he was director of EMS during the TWA crash.

 

[dcgrumpy]

I know there is but I have to get that info from computer, on iPad now at work i know Cause I looked up a certain individual who had 4 properties to his name

You can find some of that info on Blockshopper. It's not always accurate though. There are a few streets in my town including my own that don't have any info. So if you put in my name nothing comes up.

 

[dcgrumpy]

Okay, DC. We're going to need the name of your husband and his brother, where they work, where they live, and a time when they can come in for questioning.

Thanks.

I joked with him about that last week when he posted a picture on FB from the Ampitheater Parking lot.

He was there taking a picture of his new motorcycle

 

[crimesnooper]

I know there is but I have to get that info from computer, on iPad now at work i know Cause I looked up a certain individual who had 4 properties to his name

Thanks. I would appreciate the link.

 

[truthspider]

One critical variable being how many other people work where I work, and live near where I live. It looks like thousands must work along that highway by the time you take into account state offices, medical facilities, hotels, lunch places, etc. Granted that there are probably only a couple hundred people living on the south shore, there could still be several dozen people who fit the basic pattern.

And there's also the possibility that someone is trying to cast suspicion in a different direction.

I am starting with the premise that the killer lives/lived in oak beach.
my reasoning: gilbert isn't dumped there, she isn't there because the killer was privy to police activity & small search etc on May 1. Only involved LE and oak beach residents knew about the May 1 activity. (until dec 10th 2010 news blitz) but 2 months after gilbert incident SK resumed using the beach as his dump. SK lives in oak beach.

I estimate oak beach has a population of around 200 - 250 homes.

Of those (maybe) 500 employed oak beach residents, how many work/worked in happauge and are men? probably not too many...50?
Now add in some of that "Former Law Enforcement" talk the police commisioner keeps using.... and man it starts to get real sticky real quick for Mr. Hyde.

Maybe the lack of physical evidence is making LE describe who they know is the killer ambiguously so they aren't libel, hoping it becomes undeniable and someone close to the SK comes out of denial and turns them in?

Because seriously, when you watch the SCPD commisioner talk about the profile with such specificity in a community of so few... It's enough to make the SK crumble under the pressure. I've seen a few videos on the news lately of interviews with a man who appears to be crumbling under the scrutiny of the world.

 

[kemo]

We have received some new information that is potentially very significant. The LI connection of both MB and MBB ties all of the GB4 (Gilgo Beach 4) to a LI "fatal date". The most tantalizing "clue" is the "call" reportedly coming from Dr PH. This could be the "link" that ties GB to the GB4.

The problem is these "leads" come from people close to the victims, not LE. LE tends to withhold a lot, but what they do release is generally credible. People close to the victim generally are willing to cooperate with LE and withhold information IF, and it&#8217;s a big "IF" they are satisfied with how the investigation is progressing and otherwise trust the LE personnel involved. If they are "at odds", and this happens a lot when progress is not being made, the friends and family of the victims become "loose cannons" and go to the press or join on-line discussions and attempt to direct (or mis-direct) the investigation, point fingers at suspects and generate interest/sympathy/outrage and otherwise do whatever THEY think will lead to resolution. This kind of information must be taken "with a grain of salt".

Based on what we have been told, there is that very intriguing possibility that MB's "older gentleman" and Dr. PH are one and the same. Obviously Dr. PH has been checked out very careful and his Phone records have been gone over with a fine tooth comb. Since JB has been "officially cleared", you kind of expect something like about Dr. PH, IF APPROPRIATE.

I would expect the perp not to be a "regular" of any of his victims since the escort would be likely to have records and phone numbers of regulars and they could be expected to share that sort of information with their pimp or their friends.

The other located bodies; theses found along the parkway as well as those in other LI locations can not be included either "in" or "out" until their identities, the date they went missing and the circumstances of their disappearance are established. In a heavily developed area like LI, it is hardly inconceivable that different killers might choose "dump sites" close together.

It is the pattern of LE in this case to withhold information until there is a lot to disclose, and then let in unfold very quickly (this is how they did it when the first 4 bodies were discovered). I suspect they have some names but are still working on others. The story will get very big again when it starts. In the meantime, the press is keeping the story alive by posting "information" from friends and family of the victims.

 

[carbuff]

Either way, I'm just glad you're gathering info on the other bodies found on LI. My brain simply will NOT allow me to focus on knowns and unknowns at the same time. The minute I try, the picture becomes so blurred for me that I might as well not even bother to look at it. That's why I have to have 2 maps. My mind just has it's own particular limitations, I guess.

But it's comforting to me to know that, IF it turns out there's a connection between all these bodies, you, at least, will have the information handy. Plus, it really really bothers me that there are so many discarded bodies and no one seems to give a damn about them, you know?

bbm. Yes, I know. I give a damn. Most of us here do, too, or we wouldn't be here.

We all have our own set of information that work best in different situations. That's why it's so much better when we can get together and share thoughts and play off each other. My brain works best with what-ifs and might-bes, so as long as it's hypothetical, I can play around with things. If it starts to get concrete, I start to lose track. So my mind has a different set of limitations. But together we can start to get around that and maybe find the truth.

 

[crimesnooper]

One critical variable being how many other people work where I work, and live near where I live. It looks like thousands must work along that highway by the time you take into account state offices, medical facilities, hotels, lunch places, etc. Granted that there are probably only a couple hundred people living on the south shore, there could still be several dozen people who fit the basic pattern.

And there's also the possibility that someone is trying to cast suspicion in a different direction.

Sure LI is a congested area, but how many people fit into that pattern whose names comes up initially during the investigation?

 

[twocuriouscats]

I'm listening to Suffolk County Police scanners at www.radioreference.com.

I just heard a report of "possible human bones found near the campground..."

Sorry that's all I have for now - will let you know if I get more on a location...

 

[svpernin]

bbm. Yes, I know. I give a damn. Most of us here do, too, or we wouldn't be here.

We all have our own set of information that work best in different situations. That's why it's so much better when we can get together and share thoughts and play off each other. My brain works best with what-ifs and might-bes, so as long as it's hypothetical, I can play around with things. If it starts to get concrete, I start to lose track. So my mind has a different set of limitations. But together we can start to get around that and maybe find the truth.

Very well said. I am curious to see what you guys come up with once the other ids start to be released. I have a feeling I won't be getting much sleep once that happens, as I don't like the idea of missing anything on WS. The sleuthing abilities on here amaze me!

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I read somewhere that he was director of EMS during the TWA crash.

So he was the director of EMS in 1996. That really narrow things down, huh?

But, at least it gives us something to work with.