NY NY - Tuxedo, WhtMale 45-55, UP9785, Longine Wittnauer watch repaired in Whippany, Jan'69

[dotr]

Oct 25 2017
http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Cold-case-Troopers-try-to-identify-dead-man-12304494.php

State police say the victim was a white male between the ages of 45 and 55, approximately 5 feet 5 inches tall, and about 145 pounds. His badly decomposed body was found in January 1969 in a brook about a quarter mile off Route 17 in Tuxedo, Orange County. He had been shot in the head.


It's the oldest unidentified person case in the state and is believed to have been mob related

DNA testing and facial reconstruction are planned.

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[dotr]

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/120umny.html

Jewelry: He had a gold chain around his neck with a St. Christopher's medal. A Longine Wittnauer wristwatch was on his left wrist. The watch had an inexpensive black leather band with a note on the back stating, Watch repaired at Whippany Jewelers, Whippany, NJ 01/67.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Also, I'd like to put it on the table that with brown hair and St. Christopher medallion, he may be of Italian Descent? I'm not trying to sound too stereotypical here, but my sister's family is Italian, and most of them are Catholic. JMO

Given his height, 5' 5", I'd say Italian is very likely.

Italians born since the late 1950s are typically several or even many inches taller than those of earlier generations.

Also given his age, it's possible that he was amongst the Italians with mob connections who fled Italy in the 1920s and 1930s because of the crackdown on the Mafia, Camorra and similar organisations by Mussolini.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I wonder if he got the watch from a pawnshop. Maybe he could afford a high-end watch that way, but couldn't afford anything but a cheap watch band for it. I don't suppose there'd be any pawn shop records left this many years later--

If you google for images of Longines-Wittauer watches from the 1950s and 1960s you see that they virtually all had leather straps at that time (as did Rolex). Some even had nylon straps. The metal bracelet style straps seem to have come later.

In any event, I'm not sure we should assume it was a cheap leather strap. It could have been an expensive, fine leather, one.

 

[Gardener1850]

[h=1]Police exhume body of unknown man found in 1969[/h]

HIGHLAND MILLS - State police gathered Thursday morning with an excavation crew at the Cemetery of the Highlands, ready for a somber duty: exhuming the remains of an unknown man whose body was found in a Tuxedo creek in 1969.

Aided by cemetery officials and staff, the excavation of the John Doe’s grave began just after 9 a.m.
He’s buried in the cemetery’s L section, in a corner long used for the unidentified, unclaimed or indigent burials, according to JoAnne Sullivan, the cemetery’s executive director.
Police have two reasons to exhume the John Doe’s remains. They plan to collect a DNA sample, in hopes that familial DNA technology might enable them to confirm identification down the road, and they plan to have specialists create a facial reconstruction in hopes that someone will recognize that likeness.

http://www.recordonline.com/news/20171026/police-exhume-body-of-unknown-man-found-in-1969

 

[carbuff]

That's good news!

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[JerseyGirl]

What makes John Doe interesting is that he is the oldest unidentified Missing-Persons case in New York State. Police say a number of murder victims were found dumped in Orange County and the surrounding counties in the late 1960s and 70s. They think this case and other could be mob related.

http://abc7ny.com/officials-search-for-remains-of-john-doe/2571242/

 

[annemc2]

Whoa - the grave was empty. The body was possibly moved - so strange.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5024971/Police-try-exhume-mob-victim-remains.html

 

[dotr]

Whoa - the grave was empty. The body was possibly moved - so strange.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5024971/Police-try-exhume-mob-victim-remains.html

That is crazy!
What a shame, LE could have been close to retreiving DNA that would help id this man.
Could it be a mistake made by the cemetery, or could it be that criminals actually moved the body? imo.

With today's technology, we hope that we can find a family member's match by taking his DNA,' Salomon said.But when cemetery workers opened the grave Thursday, nothing was in it. It appears the remains were moved to a different part of the cemetery, officials said.

In 1968, the bodies of two organized crime members from New York were found dumped along a road in neighboring Sullivan County.

Police said one of the men was the brother of a mob figure involved in the French Connection heroin ring in the 1960s.

In February 1972, a frozen torso was found in the trunk of a car that had been set on fire off Route 17 in another part of Orange County.

The remains were later identified as those of a Long Island man who delivered heroin for an organized crime figure.

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[carbuff]

Updated link: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

No ruleouts or new information.

 

[sonz82]

This guy was recently added to namus. The watch descriptions of the john doe and Gil caught my eye. Very close match in height and weight too

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[dotr]

This guy was recently added to namus. The watch descriptions of the john doe and Gil caught my eye. Very close match in height and weight too

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Looks promising, imo.



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[imstilla.grandma]

Unidentified: Town of Tuxedo, Orange County​

NYNIC #U427869802
Basic Information
Race: White
Sex: Male
Age: 45 - 55
Height: 5' 5"
Weight: 145 pounds
Remains Found: 01/02/1969
Location: Town of Tuxedo, Orange County, NY
Victims Apparel: Underpants, brown pants, brown socks. Gold chain around neck with a St. Christopher's medal. A "Longines Wittnauer" wristwatch on his left wrist. The watch had an inexpensive black leather band with a note on the back stating, "Watch repaired at Whippany Jewelers, Whippany, NJ 01/67.

Victim's partially decomposed body found in shallow creek. Dead about 6 weeks from a gunshot wound to head. Dental information is available.
If you have any information, please call:
New York State Police, Troop F BCI, Monroe, NY (845) 782-8311
OR Major Crimes Unit, Middletown, NY (845) 344-5300
or e-mail the information to: nysvicap@troopers.ny.gov

Unidentified: Town of Tuxedo, Orange County

Remains Found: 01/02/1969 Location: Town of Tuxedo, Orange County, NY

troopers.ny.gov

 

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