PA PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #11

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Ahhh yes but these links are much more recent. The posters "murder scenario" KA describes is from 2006 making it this posters original. The interest lies in how it lines up to the current HA story informants accounts.

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Strange how she posted that one enormous body of work, full of hypotheticals as is pointed out, then has not said or posted anything else since. I've always wondered why she never continued her quest for a special investigator, etc., and have asked the question here many months ago.
 
Mr. Steve S. was interviewed for 20/20. THEY considered what he had to say to be important and newsworthy.

I think it is wrong to attach a " label" to a private citizen. He was a good friend of Mr. Gricar's for many years, period. Everyone makes mistakes and they pay through the courts, not in the court of WS opinion. JMO about tolerance.

I didn't give him the label. The courts did. He is a convicted felon.

On July 18, Sloane, 54, pleaded guilty to five felony counts including three counts of possession with intent to deliver, one count of conspiracy and one count of criminal use of a communication facility.
 
I didn't give him the label. The courts did. He is a convicted felon.

On July 18, Sloane, 54, pleaded guilty to five felony counts including three counts of possession with intent to deliver, one count of conspiracy and one count of criminal use of a communication facility.

Could you provide the link, also, please.

Salem
 
Strange how she posted that one enormous body of work, full of hypotheticals as is pointed out, then has not said or posted anything else since. I've always wondered why she never continued her quest for a special prosecutor, etc., and have asked the question here many months ago.

Can you please give further explanation. I don't recall this and I'm not sure what a special prosecutor does and how it relates to Mr. Gricar.

Your help understanding this would be greatly appreciated.
 
Can you please give further explanation. I don't recall this and I'm not sure what a special prosecutor does and how it relates to Mr. Gricar.

Your help understanding this would be greatly appreciated.

She was one of the many people who had worked with Mr. Gricar and called for a different type of investigation into his disappearance. Special investigators.
 
She was one of the many people who had worked with Mr. Gricar and called for a different type of investigation into his disappearance. Special investigators.

Are Special Prosecutors & Special Investigators one in the same?
 
Strange how she posted that one enormous body of work, full of hypotheticals as is pointed out, then has not said or posted anything else since. I've always wondered why she never continued her quest for a special investigator, etc., and have asked the question here many months ago.

SeekingJana, would you mind providing a link that indicates this is something KA sought after. Until now I have never heard that. I would be most interested in reading it.

Thank you in advance.
 
SeekingJana, would you mind providing a link that indicates this is something KA sought after. Until now I have never heard that. I would be most interested in reading it.

Thank you in advance.

Do you remember posting Karen Arnold's presentment and arguments pages? Have you read what she wrote? The key phrase here is " resistance to outside help". She is stating her dissatisfaction with BPD's investigation.


Last page:https://sites.google.com/site/gricardisappearance/partiv:conclusions



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Salem
 
Mr. Steve S. was interviewed for 20/20. THEY considered what he had to say to be important and newsworthy.

I think it is wrong to attach a " label" to a private citizen. He was a good friend of Mr. Gricar's for many years, period. Everyone makes mistakes and they pay through the courts, not in the court of WS opinion. JMO about tolerance.

It was Disappeared, not 20/20. :)

The point is valid, however. SPS was well known as a close, if not the closest, friend and was interviewed by numerous media outlets.
 


-By all accounts Mr. Gricar was a true professional. His career as a prosecutor was important to him as he took it very seriously. I do not believe he would have left his post.

-Mr. Gricar had only 8.5 months until his retirement. I do not believe he would not finish out his time. His public duty was important to him.

-I do not believe Mr. Gricar would leave his pension, something he had worked towards for almost 20 years.

-I do not believe Mr. Gricar would leave his daughter for whom he cared for very much. Not seeing her graduate, get married, and perhaps become a grandfather doesn't seem to me that he would want to miss.

-I do not believe Mr. Gricar would leave Patty for whom he cared for very much. By all accounts they had a great relationship and were counting down the day until his retirement. They took trips and were going to take many more after his retirement.

-Some evidence points to Mr. Gricar returning. He took no clothing, no large amount of money (that has been proven thus far), and went as far as to call Patty late morning to have her let the dog out as we wasn't going to make it back in time.

-PennLive has file photos of Mark Smith sitting at Mr. Gricar's desk. If you blow up these photos for study it shows the desktop calendar and it's on May 2005. It is full of appointments and notes giving way to the notion that Mr. Gricar planned to return.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/04/ray_gricar_mystery.html

-Tom Corbett eluded to the fact that because Mr. Gricar's keys were gone that it showed intent to return.

http://www.centredaily.com/2005/05/13/3777/corbett-says-hope-fading-for-gricar.html

-Mr. Gricar was a County DA prosecutor for almost 20yrs. They make enemies, a lot of enemies. DA's are also privy to confidential information. It's is a high profile and dangerous job.

-No hint of suicidal plans or walk away plans. If Mr. Gricar was smart enough to befuddle BPD, PSP, & FBI I do not believe he would then be stupid enough to leave directions to Lewisburg and computer searches regarding destroying a hard drive. If he planned a walk away no "plans" have been found. If he was suicidal no notes, doctors diagnosis, or body have been found.

-Walking away to me doesn't make sense. What would have been the point when he could have left in 8 months with reputation in tact, money in pocket, all his belongings, his girlfriend, and the ability to visit his daughter whenever he'd like.

-Suicide doesn't make sense because there were no indicators other than being tired. I don't think he'd submit Patty and his other family (again) to a suicide. Plus there has been no remains found.

-Why would Mr. Gricar go to work the evening before his disappearance if he was suicidal or going to walk away the next day. He didn't appear to be carrying anything to or from his car either. This to me indicates busy as usual.

-Mr. Gricar was distraught about something in the time leading up to his disappearance. If he was suicidal or planning to walk away I do not think he would've let it show. Something big was found out or going on. For me to say what that possibly was would be pure speculation.

I probably have more reasons why I believe foul play but this is at least a good list to start.

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