Pamela Long Wiggins In-Depth Discussion

I remember what Daisy was talking about and I remember the discussion thinking one of the guys walking down the dock was her lawyer, but were we making an assumption because they said that her lawyer accompanied her to the SO?

I later reconciled that in my mind (besides hasty reporting mistakes which were common in the beginning) as the lawyer met her there in Gulf Shores, but didn't necessarily accompany her off her boat and down the dock.
Could it be that the lawyer was in a nearby waiting car as they accompanied her and her hubby#2 down the dock? Not sure??

Could entirely be what happened.

If long-haired guy is Wiggins, then who is the guy that she was with at Zaxby's (Gene posted the vid. earlier)?

And, is he the same guy that picked her up after she bonded out on the bigamy charge?

http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_3054.shtml

Maybe he's her attorney?
 
I remember what Daisy was talking about and I remember the discussion thinking one of the guys walking down the dock was her lawyer, but were we making an assumption because they said that her lawyer accompanied her to the SO?

I later reconciled that in my mind (besides hasty reporting mistakes which were common in the beginning) as the lawyer met her there in Gulf Shores, but didn't necessarily accompany her off her boat and down the dock...
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As Daisy said, if you look back at our threads, early on we were trying to figure out who was who when she was initially "escorted" off the dock.

First, it was reported that she had been located on her boat in Orange Beach and that her attorney was escorting her back to Pensacola. Shortly afterward, the video of the dock walk was released, media didn't seem to have the identities in the video figured out, and we speculated on WS it might be her attorney only because of the earlier report that he was with her.

Thanks for the video, Gene. It does seem we would have the identity of her televised "escorts" established by now. To me, the large fellow with her after she was bonded out looks like he could be related to her. (Cleaner cut, but related.) That is pure speculation. Does she have a brother? (By the way, the parting shot of the jeep in the video shows the tag. Can anybody Photo Shop it and figure out if it's an AL, FL, or GA tag?)
 
Looks like a FL tag to me - the standard one with the oranges.
 
Here are screen grabs of the Guy PLW was seen with exiting the restaurant in the video that I posted earlier (Zaxby???) and the Jeep that they drove off in.

Again here is the link to the article where you will find a photo of PLW walking with a long-haired guy.

Does anyone with personal knowledge of HW, know which one he is?
 

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Here are screen grabs of the Guy PLW was seen with exiting the restaurant in the video that I posted earlier (Zaxby???) and the Jeep that they drove off in.

Again here is the link to the article where you will find a photo of PLW walking with a long-haired guy.

Does anyone with personal knowledge of HW, know which one he is?[/QUOTE

Is that a personalized tag? I can't tell it isn't clear to me.
 
Daisy,

I'm following you exactly! I can't believe we can't get an image of Hugh W. He has been around Pensacola for at least 20 years. I think we speculated on who the gray haired man on the boat may have been. (BM) I haven't seen anything on BM except a minor quote on Ricks Blog indicating he was a friend of Tice.

What I find very strange is that BM has represented Hugh W,Tice, Billings, Tabitha,WigginsLong, and no one is thinking that is STRANGE. I can do the Clerk of Court links if needed, although they are all on here.
 
Early this week the Escambia County Sheriff’s Office had a forfeiture hearing before Judge Frank Judge concerning the 1971 Buick Gran Sport Convertible that Pamela and Hugh Wiggins own. As part of that hearing Investigator Thomas Watts submitted an affidavit as how the car is involved with Billings’ murder investigation.

According to Watt’s affidavit:

Co-defendants reported that Pamela Wiggins’ 2005 Chevrolet Venture was left at 9717 Mobile Highway, a predetermined location near the Billings’ home, on the night of the murders to aid in the suspects escape from the home.

(snipped)

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7190
 
Who "dropped it off"? Hugh? Sounds like it IMO. Where was he? :waitasec:
 
Snipped from "Wiggins may lose 1971 Buick" blog entry at
http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7190

Ms. Wiggins drove the car to a mechanic’s house at 6905 W. Jackson Street and parked the car in the driveway. She locked the car and placed a tarp over it. Hug[h] Wiggins also told investigators that the murder weapon was hidden in his care[car] and that his wife had dropped the car off at the mechanic’s house.

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kc says:
August 15, 2009 at 5:24 pm

Ok, now we want to know who the mechanic is and where he works. I am shocked by the shear number of people that are connected to this horrific crime.

Ditto.
 
And WHEN will we see charges for H Wiggins? Sounds like he had knowledge after the fact as well. He admitted to where the safe was hidden, and also knew where the murder weapon was hidden. Hmmmm
 
And WHEN will we see charges for H Wiggins? Sounds like he had knowledge after the fact as well. He admitted to where the safe was hidden, and also knew where the murder weapon was hidden. Hmmmm

ITA!! Plus, then we'd see a mug shot so we could know which of these men we are sleuthing he is;)
 
Knowledge of a crime alone is not enough to be charged as an accessory. (Otherwise we could all be charged with it!) To be an accessory one has to commit an act in furtherance of the crime. In other words, one has to assist in some way. It's possible she simply told him where the items were and he had nothing to do with them getting there. Does anyone know if he was in town when all of this occurred?
 
Knowledge of a crime alone is not enough to be charged as an accessory. (Otherwise we could all be charged with it!) To be an accessory one has to commit an act in furtherance of the crime. In other words, one has to assist in some way. It's possible she simply told him where the items were and he had nothing to do with them getting there. Does anyone know if he was in town when all of this occurred?

(1)(a) Any person not standing in the relation of husband or wife, parent or grandparent, child or grandchild, brother or sister, by consanguinity or affinity to the offender, who maintains or assists the principal or an accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed a crime and such crime was a third degree felony, or had been an accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

(b) Any person who maintains or assists the principal or accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed the offense of child abuse, neglect of a child, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child under 18 years of age, or murder of a child under 18 years of age, or had been an accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact unless the court finds that the person is a victim of domestic violence.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ccessory+before+the+fact&URL=CH0777/Sec03.HTM

BBM.

It seems that if he had knowledge of the safe and the gun, knew they were related to a crime, and didn't report it to LE, then this should be enough for an accessory charge? Maybe he is not being charged because they are married (well, not legally, of course)?
 
(1)(a)

It seems that if he had knowledge of the safe and the gun, knew they were related to a crime, and didn't report it to LE, then this should be enough for an accessory charge? Maybe he is not being charged because they are married (well, not legally, of course)?

He did report it.

From PNJ.

Wiggins' husband, Hugh, told investigators that the safe was stolen during the robbery at the Billingses' home and that it was hidden in the backyard of one of his wife's homes, the report said.

PNJ LINK

Also, I was under the impression the long haired guy on the pier was the Boat Captain....Friend. Could be wrong but that came from PNJ forums.
 
He did report it.

From PNJ.

Wiggins' husband, Hugh, told investigators that the safe was stolen during the robbery at the Billingses' home and that it was hidden in the backyard of one of his wife's homes, the report said.

PNJ LINK

Also, I was under the impression the long haired guy on the pier was the Boat Captain....Friend. Could be wrong but that came from PNJ forums.

But, did Hugh contact LE first or did they only learn this while interviewing him about PLW? I think that would make a difference with the accessory change?

Maybe long-haired dude is the captain - who knows?:)
 
It seems that if he had knowledge of the safe and the gun, knew they were related to a crime, and didn't report it to LE, then this should be enough for an accessory charge? Maybe he is not being charged because they are married (well, not legally, of course)?

Selections from Bowen v. State, 791 So. 2d 44 (Fla. 2d DCA 2001). I couldn't find the entire case anywhere on Google.

"The State must prove that Ms. Bowen provided some maintenance, assistance, or aid to Carr after he committed each crime. Although the common law recognized the crime of misprision of a felony for failing to report a felony to authorities, the substantive law of Florida does not recognize such a crime. Holland v. State, 302 So.2d 806 (Fla. 2d DCA 1974). Thus, the crime of accessory after the fact requires some overt action by the defendant. Roberts v. State, 318 So.2d 166 (Fla. 2d DCA 1975) (holding that merely living with person, knowing that there is an active outstanding warrant for person's arrest, does not constitute crime of accessory after the fact). See also State v. Brown, 197 Neb. 131, 247 N.W.2d 616 (1976); Lowe v. People, 135 Colo. 209, 309 P.2d 601 (1957)."

"The type of overt act that will make one criminally responsible for this offense, however, is subject to some debate. In some jurisdictions, merely disavowing knowledge of a crime or of the perpetrator or his whereabouts is not enough to support a conviction for accessory after the fact. See United States v. Magness, 456 F.2d 976 (9th Cir.1972); United States v. Foy, 416 F.2d 940 (7th Cir.1969); Miller v. United States, 230 F.2d 486 (5th Cir.1956). These cases are a logical extension of the principle that a person generally has no duty to report a crime or to respond to police inquiries."

"The State must prove that any aid Ms. Bowen gave to Carr was given with the specific intent to aid him in avoiding punishment. For example, aid given to a felon to protect one's personal safety or for other personal reasons, but without the intent to assist the felon, will not support a conviction for accessory after the fact. See, e.g., Helms v. State, 349 So.2d 726 (Fla. 4th DCA 1977) (holding evidence that defendant purchased marijuana that he knew was stolen, and thus helped thieves dispose of it, was not sufficient to prove accessory after the fact to theft); Whorley v. State, 45 Fla. 123, 33 So. 849 (Fla.1903) (holding defendant, who was surety on bail bond, could not be convicted as accessory after the fact when he exercised his right to refuse to allow bonded individual to leave state to assist police in catching perpetrator of crimes). See also Maddox v. Commonwealth, 349 S.W.2d 686 (Ky.1960)."

Simply knowing a crime was committed is not enough to convict of accessory after the fact. One has no duty to report a crime, so unless there is some evidence -- and I've not heard any at this point -- that he did something like hide the safe or put the gun in the car then it would probably be a difficult charge to prove.
 
But, did Hugh contact LE first or did they only learn this while interviewing him about PLW? I think that would make a difference with the accessory change?

Maybe long-haired dude is the captain - who knows?:)

I don't know for sure. I assumed Hugh led them to the safe. Thus, covering his you know what. I'd imagine that if LE learned of the safe at another time, from him, he would have been arrested.
 

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