Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #5

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Labrat said:
I think it's a shadow- when her arm swings you can clearly see the palm of her hand.
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Here's my take, FWIW..what she has in her right hand is a small clutch purse or wallet with a wrist strap. You can clearly see the strap around her wrist and sort of streaming down her hand in the video.

JMO..but I think the reason she is not too seemingly happy about being there is because he was extorting, blackmailing, etc her.....I believe those are her keys in his right hand at the desk. Someone said they had been sitting in the car of 45 mins before going in. I think he took her car keys from the ignition to lure her to his room. Can't have the keys back until you come up to my room...she was either under the influence of alcohol or the ruffies and knew she couldn't call her father...especially after him not wanting her to go back to the casino. The text msg to the friend could have been her going to the bathroom and texting her friend "going upstairs to bed"....maybe a msg of warning---plus we don't know if that was all the msg said either.
Plus, it was mentioned that JVS had complained that he could get the women to leave with him in Peru. This was his "charming" way to make sure of it. Also the smirk on his face and the delight showed when given the room keys...he thought he was home free for a little.....and the money too. Think the playing, fumbling with her keys in his right hand was a sick psyche taking form and give me the creeps. I think he knew he had her at that point. She's helpless.... and he knows it. She knows it too and may have tried to talk to him in the room....but it was too late...the argument or his coming on to her started and that was it.
Her keys were very apparent in the video with the circles in it....they even focused on the desk and his hands at one point. I can't find it right now, but will edit and add when I do.
I wanted to bring all the videos of it we had over:


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92gFDZlRoBI[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJyGioxzDAw&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8SYfgn5HWo[/ame]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106072&page=36
 
one_girl_rev said:
Also about the clip... I wish they did not slow him walking out of the lobby down. He looked like he was rushing out of there but then it slows down.
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Agree. He seems to be clipping right along until startled by the women in white. I think he was focused on the desk and expecting someone to be there and she was right behind him. I think even tho the video is slowed down there, I think he did a little too.
 
froginTtown said:
and again, I just read off CNN that they are testing his clothes and a tennis racquet..
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If he was so obsessed to make sure he took the bloody clothes...why leave the murder weapon (racquet)? Can't understand that one.

Was the taking of the duffle bag and back pack to get the coffee and put the bags into the jeep? He was gone for 45 minutes just to get coffee and a loaf of bread. Where else or what else was he doing in that time? Also wonder if there was a back way into hotel with more possible videos?
 
I'm not sure what I think of these videos. She follows meekly behind him, surely at her age she dated men who would show her respect. Her head is bowed also, she may have been drugged at this time. jmo.
 
PorcineGranny said:
I'm not sure what I think of these videos. She follows meekly behind him, surely at her age she dated men who would show her respect. Her head is bowed also, she may have been drugged at this time. jmo.
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Very strange videos. Also, there is no conversation between them. You would expect some type of interaction, especially if they just met. You would think that when they arrived at the room, he would have made some indication that this is it, or open the door and let her pass in first. Nothing. I wonder what motivated her to go back to his room.
 
froginTtown said:
and again, I just read off CNN that they are testing his clothes and a tennis racquet..
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Sorry if this has been mentioned, but, wouldn't it be crazy if the tennis racket that was found was the one that PVDS was using when he collapsed and died on the tennis court? Maybe it was something that Joran wanted after his dad passed away.
 
CharlestonGal said:
"The Dutch Consulate has told Peruvian authorities that it is not comfortable with the way van der Sloot has been presented to the media, Neyra said. The Peruvian Minister of the Interior is asking authorities not to talk about the case without his authorization."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/05/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T2
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I can't resist a bit of sarcasm. IMO, it's just too bad the consulate is uncomfortable with the situation. If Dutch/Aruban authorities had properly taken care of business 5 years ago this situation today wouldn't exist & Stephanie would still be alive.
 
angelwngs said:
Joran Van Der Sloot Held in Peru Jail in Woman's Killing
"In Peru, the system doesn't quite work that way," he said. "In fact there are interminable delays, and between the investigator stage and any trial it could be many, many years before any conclusion. And of course, no juries there."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Media/jor...emely-rude-awakening/story?id=10836121&page=2http://www.bing.com/travel/content/search?q=Colorado:+Denver+and+the+Rockies&FORM=RQTRAV
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I'm beginning to feel a little sorry for President Garcia. He's worked so hard on legal reforms since he was elected in 2006 (funded by the EU and World Bank) and does seem to be making slow progress. The annual Human Rights Report is predictably harsh on Peru's legal and prison systems, but who really reads it? Now the world spotlight is on the problem and the severe flaws in his legal system are being glaringly pointed out on the world stage for all to see, and the opinion seems universal that his country is a brutal place with little regard to protecting the rights of its citizens or interest in a fair, efficient legal system.

By law, citizens of Peru do have a right to an attorney; they do have a right to a fair and speedy trial based on evidence put before a judge; they do have a right to confront their accusers and call witnesses. There are violations of these rights in practice of course, but Peru is trying hard to address them.

Reforms take time of course (the Criminal Procedure Code was only recently passed in 2004), but they are working hard to implement the entire plan by 2012. I wish the press and people would talk more about the good things Peru is trying to do rather than portraying the country as a hellhole full of corruption, incompetence, and brutal treatment of its citizens.

I imagine President Garcia wishes Joran had committed this crime anywhere but in Peru.
 
faw720 said:
I can't resist a bit of sarcasm. IMO, it's just too bad the consulate is uncomfortable with the situation. If Dutch/Aruban authorities had properly taken care of business 5 years ago this situation today wouldn't exist & Stephanie would still be alive.
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I know. I wonder why the Peruvian Minister of Interior caved to the pressure and told the authorities to stop talking? What's the political situation between Peru and the Netherlands, anyone know? Did the Netherlands kick in some of the 12 million euros to help with Peru's legal reform plan?
 
Near the end of the last thread, a couple of posters questioned themselves on IF they had seen a similar video before...as a Lifer-Poster here in Florida...these tapes makes me want to jump in and save Stephanie just like I also felt when the Killer of Carlie Brucia entered the scene at the car wash. :( Now - these scenes are forever burned into our memories too and our hearts break together knowing that we can not change the outcome of the clips. The fact that another young lady had to sacrifice her Life in order to finally put an END to the Monster that is Joran instead of a judicial system only makes it that more HeartBreaking.

I suppose we will soon have a new forum for this Old Monster?
RR
 
CharlestonGal said:
"The Dutch Consulate has told Peruvian authorities that it is not comfortable with the way van der Sloot has been presented to the media, Neyra said. The Peruvian Minister of the Interior is asking authorities not to talk about the case without his authorization."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/05/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T2
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I too am not comfortable with this but the sarcastic part of me wants to say that he should have picked another country to commit his crime.

I watched as Joran was bought to the border and imagined how difficult it will be to get a fair trial in a country where the victim's father is so well connected. He is a gringo in a latin country and all sorts of gross speculation is circulating the media. First he stabbed her or he viciously beat her with a bat. By the time the real truth comes out it will be too late. It could have been an argument gone bad. But because of what happened with NH it's hard to give this guy a fair chance. As an American we want eveyone to have a fair trial even if they are creeps and predators. It doesn't look like this is going to happen for Joran.
 
Police Release Hotel Security Video in Van Der Sloot Case

Outside, seven Indian shamans in brightly colored ponchos repeatedly stabbed a cloth doll representing van der Sloot in a "spiritual punishment" ritual. "We're punishing him so that all the forces of evil are purged," one shouted.



http://www.aolnews.com/crime/articl...in-peru-killing-during-interrogation/19504836

Dont know if this article was posted but parts are disturbing IMO

Haven't read back yet
 
butwhatif? said:
Waaay back in one of the other threads there was a link that mentioned a hotel employee heard arguing from the room..
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We know about the argument but what else transpired between the hours of 5a and 8:30 a (other than getting coffee, arguing and killing her). They could not have possibly been arguing for three hours. What time did he leave to get the coffee? Why isn't he still wearing the white jacket that he had on when walked into the hotel? Joran did not have the presence of mind to know that he was being videotaped so why did he look so damn calm after killing someone? Even if you are a cold blooded killer you would still look nervous and then when you get to the front desk you would hide it. Why did he drive around for three days with the bloody clothes in his possession? There's some missing pieces to the puzzle here and if Joran is the only one who holds them we may never know.
 
frenchvixen said:
I too am not comfortable with this but the sarcastic part of me wants to say that he should have picked another country to commit his crime.

I watched as Joran was bought to the border and imagined how difficult it will be to get a fair trial in a country where the victim's father is so well connected. He is a gringo in a latin country and all sorts of gross speculation is circulating the media. First he stabbed her or he viciously beat her with a bat. By the time the real truth comes out it will be too late. It could have been an argument gone bad. But because of what happened with NH it's hard to give this guy a fair chance. As an American we want eveyone to have a fair trial even if they are creeps and predators. It doesn't look like this is going to happen for Joran.
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I'm starting to feel better about his chances of having a fair trial. It doesn't appear that fair, speedy trials are the norm in Peru, but I think this one will have to be. The accused in Peru do have constitutional rights similar to the ones in the U.S. and the Netherlands has already started applying pressure to Peru's government to see that Joran's rights are protected (they supplied him with a lawyer; put the brakes on the media circus) and I think the Netherlands will continue to watch and make sure Peru's own laws and legal procedures are followed.

I think the Peruvian government is also invested in looking (overtly anyway) like they are complying with their own legal reforms, especially with the whole world watching. The fact that the Minister of Interior essentially issued a gag order on authorities after being criticized by the Netherlands tells me that Peru is sensitive to outside critique and performance pressure.

As a side note, I found out in my researches of Peruvian government and law that Peru has essentially the equivalent of a "Sunshine Law" like Florida. It seems that all prosecution documents are considered public information. I have no idea how that works in practice, but I thought I'd throw it out there.
 
Apparently Joran is asking for his mother. His mother holds the KEY. In exchange for her support and money, Anita can insist that Joran tell EVERYTHING about what happened to Natalee and Stephany. EVERYTHING. Without money, he will not fare well in prison.
 
But even if Joran "tells" everything how will we ever know if it is the truth? He has changed his frigging story so many times......sorry if I seem ill,lol, I am just frustrated with this whole thing right now....he is evil that is for certain, IMO:banghead:
 
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