Possible Victim: Shannan Gilbert

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I thought it was very interesting in last night's radio episode when they stated Shannon hit her head. I had never heard that but it could make sense with the theory of her dying from elements

Of the Killing Season reporters walking through the marsh area you might have noticed the tall grass/weeds. This would make you believe if anyone fell to the ground their fall would have been broken by the high weeds. I think that is a reasonable conclusion to come to. It is marsh land, not a broken potholed street. What did she hit her head on in the middle of a marsh.

This reminds when I was in the PD when we found a person dead with multiple stab wounds. some guy would say to look for an apple near the body. The idea was to find a way to account for all the stab wounds and not make it a murder. The reasoning was the dead guy was coring an apple and the knife kept on slipping and the guy being stabbed so many time. The scenario they are trying to sell us with SG is like coring an apple scenario.
 
In last nights podcast, the lawyer said something that's been bugging me. He said Shannon was a high class call girl, etc. Then they say her jeans were found. Jeans don't seem like an item any call girl would wear to a job especially a high class call girl. Not sure what that means, but it stood out to me.
 
In last nights podcast, the lawyer said something that's been bugging me. He said Shannon was a high class call girl, etc. Then they say her jeans were found. Jeans don't seem like an item any call girl would wear to a job especially a high class call girl. Not sure what that means, but it stood out to me.

IIRC, Mr. Ray stated Shannan was trying to or was in the process of transitioning to the higher end sex worker genre but that Shannan's and Joseph Brewer's agreement was $300.00, which leads me to believe it was not a high dollar date. Casual dress may have been appropriate if the above is fact.
 
I think Hackett is exactly the sick type of person who took pleasure in inserting himself into this tragedy. Whether it was because he was actually involved in her death I'm not sure of. This may have been discussed previously and I've missed it so I apologize if so, but do we know if Shannan was on any type of medications during that night to control her bipolar symptoms? Her described behavior, ie paranoia (likely valid), possibly hallucinations, etc, make me wonder if maybe she was slipped some sort of drug that could have interacted with her psychiatric meds?
 
I was under the impression Brewer's neighbors who were watching her and calling 911 as well saw her fall and hit her head...presumably on the pavement. But I could have misheard.

Of the Killing Season reporters walking through the marsh area you might have noticed the tall grass/weeds. This would make you believe if anyone fell to the ground their fall would have been broken by the high weeds. I think that is a reasonable conclusion to come to. It is marsh land, not a broken potholed street. What did she hit her head on in the middle of a marsh.

This reminds when I was in the PD when we found a person dead with multiple stab wounds. some guy would say to look for an apple near the body. The idea was to find a way to account for all the stab wounds and not make it a murder. The reasoning was the dead guy was coring an apple and the knife kept on slipping and the guy being stabbed so many time. The scenario they are trying to sell us with SG is like coring an apple scenario.
 
IF she had seen JB before, it is 100% possible that she would have worn jeans. She was comfortable with him (and a reason why she would have gone such a distance to see him in the middle of the night) Shooting for high class, and seeing repeat clients, are 2 different things. If it was in fact a $300 call, at that time of night, I can bet you that she knew him from before. Otherwise, she would not have bothered to go that distance, let alone wear jeans to the call. As far as using MP as a driver for a repeat call, IDK, did She have a car or drive to calls on her own ever?
In last nights podcast, the lawyer said something that's been bugging me. He said Shannon was a high class call girl, etc. Then they say her jeans were found. Jeans don't seem like an item any call girl would wear to a job especially a high class call girl. Not sure what that means, but it stood out to me.
 
IF she had seen JB before, it is 100% possible that she would have worn jeans. She was comfortable with him (and a reason why she would have gone such a distance to see him in the middle of the night) Shooting for high class, and seeing repeat clients, are 2 different things. If it was in fact a $300 call, at that time of night, I can bet you that she knew him from before. Otherwise, she would not have bothered to go that distance, let alone wear jeans to the call. As far as using MP as a driver for a repeat call, IDK, did She have a car or drive to calls on her own ever?

Thats kinda where I was going. Maybe they had a previous relationship. If they did, maybe she just went to party and the $300 was for party favors she brought to be consumed that night. That would explain the jeans and getting high all night instead of doing the job and leaving. She spent a long time there for $300.

Whether that that would matter in the grand scheme of things is beyond me.
 
I do not believe she is a victim of these murders for several reasons. She has a completely different look than the others, the others being more average, not as flashy and materialistic, she seemed tougher, not what the perp was looking for. The men knew she had a driver and witness. Why would they plan on killing someone with a witness. She was allowed to make a 20 minute phone call. Her sister has schizophrenia which runs in families, and it seems like she had a paranoid psychotic break. Men who order prostitutes all seem suspect because many do not respect women and may be off in general.
 
Personally, I think… If Shannan ran through the bush where she and her clothes were found… she was chased... probably by someone fully clothed, possibly boots, jacket, gloves, etc… when Josh & Rachel filmed where she was found… they walked into the area with the clothes they had on at the time, so, did their cameraman… it was fairly thick clothing, and I believe at least one, may have had gloves… but… it just wasn’t all that difficult as it’s been made out to be… anyway… put it like this… the cops say she ran through there, with her jeans, shirt, maybe even heels… then discarded her clothes, shoes and ran another, further distance… well… if she did that, much of it, barefoot, with no clothes at all… then, someone fully dressed would have had a lot less trouble than she did… someone may well have chased her into those bushes, then possibly caught her and taken her clothes off, then, chased her even further while she was nude, basically just a really sadistic chase, for no other practical reason… I’d say it’s fair to say LISK is very sadistic, with his calls to friends, family members, etc… also… if you look at the overhead shots of that place… the bushes she was found in, both her clothes and her… there seem to be certain patches of the bush in the terrain… if she approached that area, just running away, on her own, no one chasing her… she could have run on either side of those particular patches of bushes… not into them… Josh and Rachel say that her clothes were found less than 500 yrds of where they entered, then I believe her body was found some distance from that… the map(s) I’ve seen, looks like she went a lot further, after she lost her clothes, than from where she entered, then lost them… so, she’d run that far through them, barefoot and nude… I tend to think she would have had to have been chased through there for that… especially, after she was without any shoes, clothing… that place would have cut her up pretty much unbearably…
 
I have two questions. According to this 48 Hours article at http://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-uncovers-missing-escort-shannan-gilberts-final-minutes/, Mari Gilbert reportedly stated during the May 3 call with Hackett that he told her Shannan had left his house with her driver and that he was worried about her.

As we now know, Hackett did in fact make 3 calls on or about May 3rd which Hackett later denied then admitted to only once phone records proved said calls were made. He reportedly denied, however, that he ran a "rehab" and medicated Shannan.

1st:
Is it fact that Mari stated the above?

2nd:
Was Pak questioned as to whether or not Shannan left with her driver from Hackett's house. It would be VERY telling if Hackett lied about that.
 
Richard Dormer said the SG death and GB4 are not related. A reason he gave for that conclusion is with the GB4 the gals apparently got to their dates on their own power. In SG's case she was driven there and being driven there suggests a witness to a murder. In other words he is saying the killer(s) had no intention of killing SG. OK, perfectly reasonable thing to consider but not nearly enough to exclude SG from the rest of the cases.

I think if we really knew what was going on we would find the killer(s) had no intention of killing any of the GB4.
 
Richard Dormer said the SG death and GB4 are not related. A reason he gave for that conclusion is with the GB4 the gals apparently got to their dates on their own power. In SG's case she was driven there and being driven there suggests a witness to a murder. In other words he is saying the killer(s) had no intention of killing SG. OK, perfectly reasonable thing to consider but not nearly enough to exclude SG from the rest of the cases.

I think if we really knew what was going on we would find the killer(s) had no intention of killing any of the GB4.

Why would there be a need to kill these prostitutes? Is perhaps the big question?
 
Mind boggling to think that there were multiple witnesses to her last known whereabouts and it took a year and 1/2 to find her, basically, in the back yard. Then they find 4 lined up bodies while looking for her. Distraction. I believe Burke was in on this action up to his eyeballs with some of his cronies.


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It is not mind boggling if you understand the nature of police work - and I am the last person who would defend the actions of SCPD. SCPD gets there to answer a call of a woman screaming for help. It is not uncommon that any PD's respond to many such calls. It is 5AM when most people are asleep. You do a cursory examination of the area, see nothing and you leave. Nothing unusual about that. 99 out of 100 times you would assume the call was unfounded. Nothing unusual there.

Only due to the efforts of SG's family does the search continue. As it turns out an energetic police officer takes his K-9 out and says what the heck, maybe I will go out and check the area. And that is where it all went sideways.

Truth is SG was a prostitute, and the said truth is no one really cares about prostitutes, dead or alive. But the finding of the GB4 changed all of that and that is the reason why are all here today.
 
It is not mind boggling if you understand the nature of police work - and I am the last person who would defend the actions of SCPD. SCPD gets there to answer a call of a woman screaming for help. It is not uncommon that any PD's respond to many such calls. It is 5AM when most people are asleep. You do a cursory examination of the area, see nothing and you leave. Nothing unusual about that. 99 out of 100 times you would assume the call was unfounded. Nothing unusual there.

Only due to the efforts of SG's family does the search continue. As it turns out an energetic police officer takes his K-9 out and says what the heck, maybe I will go out and check the area. And that is where it all went sideways.

Truth is SG was a prostitute, and the said truth is no one really cares about prostitutes, dead or alive. But the finding of the GB4 changed all of that and that is the reason why are all here today.

Thanks for your insight hack. No LE experience and I'm using hindsight which is not 20/20...as the old saying goes. I guess a lone prostitute found dead does not stir much attention but so many vulnerable women found dead in a row certainly does. Sad all around. Just hope one day LISK is revealed. Happy Thanksgiving all.


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is there anyone here from Germany that can find the Stern magazine interview with Joe Brewer that includes the real name of the elusive drifter?
 
Richard Dormer said the SG death and GB4 are not related. A reason he gave for that conclusion is with the GB4 the gals apparently got to their dates on their own power. In SG's case she was driven there and being driven there suggests a witness to a murder. In other words he is saying the killer(s) had no intention of killing SG. OK, perfectly reasonable thing to consider but not nearly enough to exclude SG from the rest of the cases.

I think if we really knew what was going on we would find the killer(s) had no intention of killing any of the GB4.
Speaking of, this reminds me of a Suffolk County meeting minutes I stumbled across some time ago.

Excerpted, with link at end:

[excerpt from page 9]

Just to give you a quick overview of where the case is, and forgive me because I know most of you know all of this, but I'll just mention it. Of course this whole case started with the disappearance of Shannon Gilbert which occurred on May 1st -- almost a year ago, a few more days -- and Shannon Gilbert was a young woman who advertised on Craig's List. On the day in question she left her home in Jersey, took a train into Manhattan where she engaged in one, maybe two tricks, and she had a driver who was contacted by an individual in the Oak Beach Association and she was taken there at approximately two o'clock in the morning.

She spent a couple of hours with that client and then she became disoriented, confused. We're not exactly -- what happened, we have some ideas; we believe drugs may have been involved. And that led to a 911 call which went to our operator initially, but she had no idea where she was and all she remembered was Jones Beach on her way out there. And once she relayed that she thought she was at or near Jones Beach, that call was relayed to the New York State Police, and she was on the phone for about 18 minutes and then she was disconnected.

[...]

So number one was the first set of remains that John Malia found, and everyone, everyone thought that it was Shannon Gilbert. We continued the search within the ensuing days to broaden the crime scene, and much to our surprise we found other remains and continuing the search more and more, initially, then, within those few days in December, finding four sets of remains. As you see listed, Maureen Brainard Barnes, who had been reported missing in July of 2007, last seen in New York City; Melissa Barthelemy, last seen in July, 2009 in New York City; Shannon Gilbert, we
haven't -- still not part of this; Megan Waterman, June 6th, 2010, last seen in Hauppauge; and Amber Lynn Costello, last seen on September 2nd, 2010 in West Babylon, right around the corner from where I live, in fact.

The common denominator with these missing persons, they had all advertised on Craig's List. Some of them, the initial investigations on Barnes and Barthelemy were conducted by NYPD; these were cold cases for the most part. We took over the investigation, again, with the belief that some of the remains or one of them would have been Shannon Gilbert. Forensic -- our Medical Examiner had entered into an agreement with the New York City Medical Examiner's Office, their Forensic Anthropologist, and that served us very well. Brad Adams, nationally recognized, kind of was instrumental in doing the forensic analysis of the remains that were found and we were able to quickly -- they were able to quickly identify the four.

A task force was created, a homicide task force, involving three immediate supervisors and
13 -- about 13 Detectives. We took the best of our best, we took a couple of our best people in cell phone technology as well as computer forensics and assigned them to this task force; we've been working on the case ever since. The FBI was contacted and brought in in December, we had a number of contacts with their Behavioral Analysis Unit in Quantico. Many of us, almost the entire command staff of the Suffolk County Police, have gone through the FBI National Academy, we're well aware of their abilities and capabilities; many of us trained down there, myself included. We were in phone consultation with them and then finally in February of 2011 they flew up an entire team of their investigators from the Quantico unit. They spent a couple of days with us, we took them to the sites where we recovered the remains, we showed them everything that we had in the case. We sat down at a round table and brainstormed and discussed all the ramifications and possibilities and discussed various investigative strategies and we've been consulting with them since.

[...]

More in PDF at link: http://legis.suffolkcountyny.gov/clerk/cmeet/ps/2011/PS050511.pdf
 
One has to look at the entire picture that begins with SG going missing to when the GB4 are found, and how and why they were found, and everything after that. As I said before the initial response regarding SG’s 911 call is of no consequence at that point in the case.
After the GB 4 are found and after all of the media attention it now became imperative to begin a real search for SG. It is fair to assume that no one, including the cops and family would believe SG is alive and well.
Skip to the finding of SG. The M.E. can offer no cause of death. Forensic expert Dr.Baden cannot offer any worthwhile information as to how SG died. What any pathologist would do in such a situation, absent convincing forensic evidence is to take into account ALL of the information to arrive at an educated guess. It is quite common for an M.E. to take into account ALL the information to come to an educated guess that it is probably a homicide. But Dr.Baden was a ‘hired gun’ and that should always be taken into account when you can’t definitely find a cause of death.
Skip to the statement of Richard Dormer. Incredibly, without ANY forensic evidence as to how SG died, the highest ranking member of the SCPD said it was probably due to drowning, with a combination of the elements.
We also know that SG called 911 and said, “They are trying to kill me.” The DA/PD won’t release the tape. No question is she said that in a fit of hysteria, and it has been attributed to her alleged bi-polar condition, combined with drugs. We also don’t know if this call came about due to a medical condition, BUT what we do know is SG believed it to be so, for whatever reason.
We also know that a SCPD detective named Stephan wrote a letter to Newsday claiming he investigated the case, heard the tape and could find no reason to believe SG believed her life was in peril. WE also know now this is not true. There is more than enough information to support this folly perpetrated by a working detective in the SCPD. The question is: Why did he commit himself to paper to conjure up this obvious lie?
Then you have the ‘exonerations’ of Brewer and Bissel. I am not saying either one of them did the deed. What I am saying is both of them are very viable POI’s until there is evidence to take them off the list. I can pretty much tell you from the little I know two such persons would NEVER be ruled out until such time they could 110% ruled out.
DA Spota and the PD went way out of their way to quash the Bisset story. Issued a press release telling people not to believe everything you read on the Internet. IMHO, it was those same people that STARTED the story, the cops, and it got away from them.
Not believing what you read on the Internet? Hey, Spota I have been saying for years now that James Burke, your boy toy is a crook and a bad guy. I called him a liar and frame artist. Guess where he is now? He worked side by side with you for 10 years and you didn’t have a clue? What kind of chief law enforcement officer are you anyway?
Burke moves up to Chief of Department – a screw up on both your parts because you and your special team of investigators can no longer watch him as you needed to keep him in check. He is now in charge of the Gilgo case. Not leaving anything to chance you fill in the gap for Chief of Detectives with another protégé of yours and Burke, your new SCPD detective commander and get him appointed to Chief of Detectives. He, too, has resigned in the quiet of the night. I suspect before too long we will be hearing more of him, and more of your closest friends. The big question is when are we going to hear more about you?
That idiot Dormer said the SG and GB4 cases are not related because SG was driven to Brewer’s house while the others met their deaths going to wherever they were going alone. Tell me, Mr.Ex-PC how do you know that?
 
Then we have the story of the yet unsolved Gary Melius shooting. When you learned that Melius was shot you went and sealed the Interlock Security story so the media couldn’t get it. It was certainly a motive for shooting him. But you didn’t succeed in locking down ALL of the lawsuit and it was printed in the papers. Not only that but you reported directly to the hospital where Gary was being treated and tried to put a lock-down on visitors. Not only that BUT your pal Ed Walsh was deep in the middle of this case when he went to court for a hearing to lend support to his good friend, and poker card games they play at the Oheka Castle every week.
Then you write a letter telling us how SC Sheriff DeMarco did not cooperate with you in the pay scandal, the same pay scandal that led to his conviction for his upcoming jail sentence.
The same Sheriff that ‘stymied’ your investigation is the same Sheriff that brought this to the attention of the U.S. attorney, and testified at that trial that led to the conviction of Walsh.
Tom you do know that Walsh called you Clarence after the angel character in “It’s a Wonderful Life’ because he resembles you and he is your GUARDIAN ANGEL.
 
is there anyone here from Germany that can find the Stern magazine interview with Joe Brewer that includes the real name of the elusive drifter?

I thought he had never been named .....

I had a quick look but couldn't find anyone named (copied n pasted article to google translate).... here's the link to the one story I found ...... maybe I just didn't write in the right phrase on their search tool ....
http://www.stern.de/panorama/stern-...d-auf-den-killer-von-long-island-3199168.html
 
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