Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #3

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree, jjenny. Nice to see eye-to-eye with you on a case, it makes life much easier, lol; you are one smart cookie, imo.

Not suicide. Not nude, not with electrical cord, imo. Orange, heavy gauge, electrical cord should be kept in the garage, imo...I keep getting stuck on that.

I wonder if she ever made it to the hospital and if not, why not, she reportedly said she boarded the dog to do so?

ETA: and if her reason for 'suicide' was guilt over Maxie, why make it look like a twisted, violent murder and cause more grief? Who makes their own suicide look violent? What's the percentage of women who like pain before they off themselves? Especially women accustomed to a softer lifestyle? ALL my own ramblings...take with salt, or don't take at all.

Actually the number one method for women who commit suicides is violent, imo.

They use a firearm.

What is the most common method of suicide?

Firearms are the most commonly used method of suicide for men and women, accounting for 60 percent of all suicides.

A male is more likely to follow through on a suicide while women more often attempts suicide and it will not be successful.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=84760

 

[time]

LOL, good. You never know when something will be valid...and you never know when someone else may post as well. Better too much, than not enough, imo. Other posters help pick it apart...it works.

I see we hang out in some of the same 'neighbourhoods, eh? Cool....I love the internet...you never know what you'll find...only problem is it takes hours and I've been short on time, lately...topix boards seem quiet, too. The hush is deafening.

I try to grab anything that looks valid since I can never find it later. I think that poster was on another board for a long time and I can't see they would make a comment like that lightly.

Yes, the silence is deafening. I'm standing on the fence as to whether that could be good/neccessary or the opposite. I'm sensing LE has a good reason for this ... hoping. The only problem is that without the public and journalists having access, then the time to seize the moment (for research and info) often passes.

 

[Quester]

Actually the number one method for women who commit suicides is violent, imo.

They use a firearm.

What is the most common method of suicide?

Firearms are the most commonly used method of suicide for men and women, accounting for 60 percent of all suicides.

A male is more likely to follow through on a suicide while women more often attempts suicide and it will not be successful.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=84760

RE: the sentence I changed to red

Wow! That's shocking!

I was under the impression drugs were top of the list for women - less violent method.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I didn't know this but found it interesting.

Suicide is the second leading cause of death among people between the ages of 14 and 25 in the United States.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/13945-suicide/#ixzz1T3xlVrsa

How old was Rebecca?

IMO

 

[Paladine]

Actually the number one method for women who commit suicides is violent, imo.

They use a firearm.

What is the most common method of suicide?

Firearms are the most commonly used method of suicide for men and women, accounting for 60 percent of all suicides.

A male is more likely to follow through on a suicide while women more often attempts suicide and it will not be successful.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=84760

Here's another take from a reputable link, NIMH:

Are women or men at higher risk?
Suicide was the seventh leading cause of death for males and the fifteenth leading cause of death for females in 2007.1
Almost four times as many males as females die by suicide.1
Firearms, suffocation, and poison are by far the most common methods of suicide, overall. However, men and women differ in the method used, as shown below.1
Suicide by: Males (%) Females (%)
Firearms 56 30 Suffocation 24 21
Poisoning 13 40

Seems 30% of women choose a firearm...the other 70% choose something else...40% choose poisioning. http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-us-statistics-and-prevention/index.shtml

 

[Wise Old Owl]

i didn't know this but found it interesting.

suicide is the second leading cause of death among people between the ages of 14 and 25 in the united states.

read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/13945-suicide/#ixzz1t3xlvrsa

how old was rebecca?

Imo

32 iirc

 

[pferrin]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ommit-suicide-jonah-shacknai-coronado-mansion think that this is interesting ...Mary Loehner..Rebecca's sis is planning a memorial for Rebecca..doesn't know if JS will be there. hmmmm

 

[justbetweenus]

OMG, Just! [/B]] I had never thought of a scenario where Rebecca may have hurt Max in some way.[/B] If that did happen, as you suggested, and JS found out...well, just wow! I can seeing him coming home and killing her. And you're right, she divorced her husband, gave up her job, et al. She was also living the good life with JS in CA and AZ.

Still, I can't see this as a suicide. I'm going with murder at this point. :twocents:

I agree, I don't either Jacy.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

RE: the sentence I changed to red

Wow! That's shocking!

I was under the impression drugs were top of the list for women - less violent method.

Me too. I have noticed in recent years women are using firearms more and more to kill themselves with but I just thought that happen to be the case on the articles I happen to see/read.

Using drugs to kill themselves with now comes in second it seems.

IMO

 

[MizStery]

I have been puzzling over the report that there was a "disturbance" at DS home the day of Max's injury.Also in the following story it is mentioned that the kennel owner said RN mentioned her daughter was also injured.This is from 'death by 1000 paper cuts' there is a link at the end of my post.

According to a report from local CBS 8 affiliate, neighbors reported a ‘police disturbance’ at Dina Shacknai’s home on the day of Max’s accident. Missing from the report, when the ‘disturbance’ occurred?

According to several news reports, the police confirmed there was an unidentified ‘woman’ in the Jonah Shacknai home with Rebecca when Max’s accident occurred. According to a report from Radar, the ‘woman’ was Rebecca’s 13-yr-old sister.

And yet there’s the rather curious report from the Coronado Patch of a conversation Rebecca had with a kennel owner the day before her death:

Ted Greenberg was one of the last people to see Rebecca Nalepa (Zahau) alive.

She had called his kennel, Camp Diggity Dogs, to pick up Ocean, the family’s 14-month-old Weimaraner the afternoon following the Monday accident that left her boyfriend’s son with serious injuries.

“She asked us to come get the dog, because she wanted to get to the hospital to see her child,” Greenberg said. “I understand it’s (her boyfriend’s) son, but I guess she thought of him as hers.”

“She called about 4:40 pm,” he said. “She told me about the accident and said that her daughter was also injured.”

There’s no info Rebecca Zahau had a daughter. According to the kennel owner Rebecca referred to Max as ‘her son’. Was Rebecca referring to one of Jonah Shacknai’s daughters, daughters who were purportedly staying with Jonah and Rebecca during the summer?

The rather curious reports from the neighbors of a ‘party’ in the mansion the night before Rebecca’s body was discovered hanging from a balcony. According to the report from Radar, Radar ‘confirmed’ there wasn’t a party, but there may have been ‘loud music’

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/201...h-authorities-seal-records-push-suicide-meme/

 

[oceanblueeyes]

32 iirc

Thank you so much. For a minute my mind went blank:crazy:. She looked quite young to me.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Here's another take from a reputable link, NIMH:



Seems 30% of women choose a firearm...the other 70% choose something else...40% choose poisioning.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-us-statistics-and-prevention/index.shtml

Im confused. 30% of women choose a firearm
70% choose something else.
40% choose poisoning.

140%?:waitasec:

They use poisonings? :waitasec:

Can you even remember a case where a woman poisoned herself? I cant.

Wouldnt there be more deaths of women if they used poisonings?

Most suicides occur in the home between the hours of 3 p.m. and midnight. There are 30 to 50 times as many attempted suicides as completed suicides. Four times as many males complete suicide than females, but female teens attempt suicide twice as frequently as male teenagers.


Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/13945-suicide/#ixzz1T41MWIvj

 

[Paladine]

Im confused. 30% of women choose a firearm
70% choose something else.
40% choose poisoning.

140%?:waitasec:

They use poisonings? :waitasec:

I jumbled it, somewhat...from the link, it's clear.

Suicide by: Males (%) Females (%)
Firearms 56 30
Suffocation 24 21
Poisoning 13 40


My point is firearms is not the most used method by women. Only 30% choose a gun. 70% choose something else...and the most used method is poisoning at 40%. http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-us-statistics-and-prevention/index.shtml

ETA: I sense you have some confusion about what poisonings are?

A poison is any substance that is harmful to your body. You might swallow it, inhale it, inject it or absorb it through your skin. Poisons can include

Prescription or over-the-counter medicines taken in doses that are too high
Overdoses of illegal drugs
Carbon monoxide from gas appliances
Household products, such as laundry powder or furniture polish
Pesticides
Indoor or outdoor plants
Metals such as lead and mercury

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/poisoning.html

 

[Curious Me]

"Danielle Steel, the best-selling writer who owns the other Spreckels mansion, the one built by Adolph Spreckels in San Francisco, would be hard-pressed to conjure up a meatier hook for a mystery novel."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jul/24/aftermath-coronado-mansion-deaths-some-it-noir/

 

[Melanie]

"Danielle Steel, the best-selling writer who owns the other Spreckels mansion, the one built by Adolph Spreckels in San Francisco, would be hard-pressed to conjure up a meatier hook for a mystery novel."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jul/24/aftermath-coronado-mansion-deaths-some-it-noir/

Thanks for that. I opened the Sunday paper (SD Union Tribune) this morning and was surpised this story was not on the front page. I couldn't find anything (must have missed this).

I think the reporting has slowed way down until we hear more from the DNA results.

The waiting is hard --

Mel

 

[Paladine]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ommit-suicide-jonah-shacknai-coronado-mansion think that this is interesting ...Mary Loehner..Rebecca's sis is planning a memorial for Rebecca..doesn't know if JS will be there. hmmmm

IMO, I am so happy she is keeping her sister in the news...I am so afraid something nefarious could be so easily swept under the rug with this amount of money and power involved. Thanks for the link.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I jumbled it, somewhat...from the link, it's clear.

Suicide by: Males (%) Females (%)
Firearms 56 30
Suffocation 24 21
Poisoning 13 40


My point is firearms is not the most used method by women. Only 30% choose a gun. 70% choose something else...and the most used method is poisoning at 40%. http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-us-statistics-and-prevention/index.shtml

ETA: I sense you have some confusion about what poisonings are?


http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/poisoning.html

I did misunderstand. I thought it meant they drank liquid draino or such. I see they are using the word poisoning instead of 'drugs'. Sorry.

Here is a statistic in 2004

U.S. Suicide Statistics (2004)
Suicide Methods by Gender
Method Men Women
Men - Percent of Total Men - Number of Suicides (25,566 total)
Women - Percent of Total Women - Number of Suicides (6,873 total)

Firearms: Men: 56.8% 14,523 Women: 32.4% 2,227
Hanging, strangulation, suffocation: Men: 23.4% 5,980 Women: 19.7% 1,356
Poisons Men: 12.5% 3,200 Women: 37.8% 2,600
All other methods Men: 7.3% 1,863 Women: 10.0% 690

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...d=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

 

[Quester]

My hinky meter is up high on DS right now - I'm going out on a limb here.

Would DS have checked herself into a psych facility? Either with good reason or future defense reasons?

This could explain why a certain defense attorney may have been forbidden to talk to his client at the moment.

I'm curious that we've heard nothing about DS' whereabouts since the combined sorrow statement from JS & DS re MS.

No indication that DS returned to AZ for MS' funeral.

Something's going on.

 

[Paladine]

I did misunderstand. I thought it meant they drank liquid draino or such. I see they are using the word poisoning instead of 'drugs'. Sorry.

Here is a statistic in 2004

U.S. Suicide Statistics (2004)
Suicide Methods by Gender
Method Men Women
Men - Percent of Total Men - Number of Suicides (25,566 total)
Women - Percent of Total Women - Number of Suicides (6,873 total)

Firearms: Men: 56.8% 14,523 Women: 32.4% 2,227
Hanging, strangulation, suffocation: Men: 23.4% 5,980 Women: 19.7% 1,356
Poisons Men: 12.5% 3,200 Women: 37.8% 2,600
All other methods Men: 7.3% 1,863 Women: 10.0% 690

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...d=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

Thanks ...my link was statistics from 2007. Even this link from 2004 shows firearms as being at 32.4% for women with poisoning at 37.8%...hanging, which includes strangulation and suffucation, sits at 19.7%, interestingly, enough...not such a popular choice, it would seem.

 

[tiredblondy]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ommit-suicide-jonah-shacknai-coronado-mansion think that this is interesting ...Mary Loehner..Rebecca's sis is planning a memorial for Rebecca..doesn't know if JS will be there. hmmmm

Wonder how that fits in with this-

According to this article, scroll down to the end, he is taking care of her funeral too. I assume that's what they meant when they say he is taking care of two funerals.

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/20...of-rebecca-na/


I am still concerned that he has verbally expressed nothing about the loss of Rebecca's life!