Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 12/11-14 ~weekend~

[Kensie]

What does *advertiser censored* have to do with the slaughter of Travis.? *advertiser censored*, I hate it, but is that the valid reason for a horrific murder?

 

[Kamille]

With all the allegations from the DT about TA possibly having some type of *advertiser censored* on his computer, I am quite surprised that Juan hasnt hammered home the point that Jodi had access to his computer after she killed him.

She had all kinds of time after she killed him to sabatage the PC. Just bringing that point up I think would have helped the judge realize it cannot be proven that Travis did anything of the kind that the DT keeps claiming.

So even if *advertiser censored* was found, it can never be proven who put it there. Really wish he would have hammered home that point.
Of course we havent even seen 1 picture of this alleged *advertiser censored* so maybe he didnt feel it necessary.
This case is so gross in so many ways.

She had access to his computer quite often before she killed him as well IMO. She spent most of her time while living in AZ at his home. She snuck in when he wasn't there. She "cleaned" for him when he wasn't home. She lived there for a number of days with all of her belongings in a U-Haul before heading back to CA when he didn't ask her to just stay on in AZ and move in with him.

I've heard nothing about TA's computer in the past couple of weeks that indicate that it was password protected in any way. Pretty sure that would have been brought up when the defence wanted to view the evidence if they couldn't get into the computer because of the password protection. So I believe the computer, which wasn't even new when he got it, was accessible to a LOT of people who lived in and visited his home. I cannot believe that this is even an issue.

I also can't believe that they've gone through all this for the possibility of one search for a site called YouPorn. Again not necessarily searched by TA and nothing to do with child *advertiser censored*. I heard nothing other than some list of site names that BN submitted off lord knows what copy of what HD that even indicate that viruses may have been hitting on ADULT *advertiser censored* sites.

So as both experts testified in the original trial there was no *advertiser censored* ON the computer. There were no downloaded photos or videos and no proof that TA even watched anything from this one possible YouPorn site that MAY have been typed in manually. I wish they'd have thrown out the date and time that was supposed to have occurred because I'm sure the amazing sleuths here would be able to tell if TA was even at home that day or if JA was there alone.

To be honest I doubt very much that most men that I know could claim such a clean computer. And just because they may have downloaded an ADULT nekkie photo or two doesn't mean that some sociopath stalker has the right to slaughter them because of it.

MOO

 

[Shadowboy]

Originally Posted by Hatfield
With all the allegations from the DT about TA possibly having some type of *advertiser censored* on his computer, I am quite surprised that Juan hasnt hammered home the point that Jodi had access to his computer after she killed him.

She had all kinds of time after she killed him to sabatage the PC. Just bringing that point up I think would have helped the judge realize it cannot be proven that Travis did anything of the kind that the DT keeps claiming.

So even if *advertiser censored* was found, it can never be proven who put it there. Really wish he would have hammered home that point.
Of course we havent even seen 1 picture of this alleged *advertiser censored* so maybe he didnt feel it necessary.
This case is so gross in so many ways.

Maybe that's something he's saving for later and didn't want to waste it in the misconduct hearing? He plays his cards wisely, no?

ITA ... The "porngate" issue is -- has ALWAYS been -- a yes/no re: Brady violation. 1) Did the PT purposely hide or destroy evidence? (Y/N) 2) If YES, does/could that hidden/destroyed evidence be exculpatory and affect the First Degree Murder conviction? (Y/N)

JM knows that even if the answer to #1 is, "Yes" ... the answer to #2 is, "No."

ALSO: How the heck do I include multiple quotes? I'm an idiot

 

[atthelake]

Let me see if I got this right. Mitigating specialist Maria has spelled her tweet handle wrong all this time. Now that it is brought up in court she changes it to the correct spelling. Why? Does she want to make sure the judge gets to the right Twitter account? Has anyone checked to see if she has been deleting tweets? Maybe she thinks it will bring in new interests to check her out. I don't know, but it is odd to me that she chooses this time to correct the spelling.

Oh dear ...what has happened now to get talk off the subject of the case ..Travis !

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[Becky Sharp]

What does *advertiser censored* have to do with the slaughter of Travis.? *advertiser censored*, I hate it, but is that the valid reason for a horrific murder?[/QUOTE]

Um, no. But we live in the reality-based world where most of us recognize that we're not the centre of the universe. CMJA lives in her own world where its laws and rules are based on the magical thinking of an angry two-year-old.

(This time, Kensie, I remembered to quote! Now I'm off to sit for a spell in my rocking chair.)

 

[Dmacky]

JA's is a psychopath, and a pathological liar who is only concerned only with herself. Arias is also a predator. She will never stop trying to manipulate and use other people for her own benefit.
Her horrendous slaughter of TA was caught on camera! I have NEVER seen so much evidence in any trial. I mean how much evidence do they need? She should have been sitting in Perryville last year. Now it's gotten just CRAZY

 

[Shadowboy]

She had access to his computer quite often before she killed him as well IMO. She spent most of her time while living in AZ at his home. She snuck in when he wasn't there. She "cleaned" for him when he wasn't home. She lived there for a number of days with all of her belongings in a U-Haul before heading back to CA when he didn't ask her to just stay on in AZ and move in with him.

I've heard nothing about TA's computer in the past couple of weeks that indicate that it was password protected in any way. Pretty sure that would have been brought up when the defence wanted to view the evidence if they couldn't get into the computer because of the password protection. So I believe the computer, which wasn't even new when he got it, was accessible to a LOT of people who lived in and visited his home. I cannot believe that this is even an issue.

I also can't believe that they've gone through all this for the possibility of one search for a site called YouPorn. Again not necessarily searched by TA and nothing to do with child *advertiser censored*. I heard nothing other than some list of site names that BN submitted off lord knows what copy of what HD that even indicate that viruses may have been hitting on ADULT *advertiser censored* sites.

So as both experts testified in the original trial there was no *advertiser censored* ON the computer. There were no downloaded photos or videos and no proof that TA even watched anything from this one possible YouPorn site that MAY have been typed in manually. I wish they'd have thrown out the date and time that was supposed to have occurred because I'm sure the amazing sleuths here would be able to tell if TA was even at home that day or if JA was there alone.

To be honest I doubt very much that most men that I know could claim such a clean computer. And just because they may have downloaded an ADULT nekkie photo or two doesn't mean that some sociopath stalker has the right to slaughter them because of it.

MOO

BBM Yep. Yep. Yep.

 

[Fuskier]

With all the allegations from the DT about TA possibly having some type of *advertiser censored* on his computer, I am quite surprised that Juan hasnt hammered home the point that Jodi had access to his computer after she killed him.

She had all kinds of time after she killed him to sabatage the PC. Just bringing that point up I think would have helped the judge realize it cannot be proven that Travis did anything of the kind that the DT keeps claiming.

So even if *advertiser censored* was found, it can never be proven who put it there. Really wish he would have hammered home that point.
Of course we havent even seen 1 picture of this alleged *advertiser censored* so maybe he didnt feel it necessary.
This case is so gross in so many ways.

She allegedly had access to his computer before she killed him. God knows what was done in his name.

 

[daisydomino]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ser censored*-hearing-juan-martinez/20274011/

Arias trial: Mesa police expert admits *advertiser censored* on computer

Michael Kiefer and Anne Ryman

 

[ElleElle]

With all the allegations from the DT about TA possibly having some type of *advertiser censored* on his computer, I am quite surprised that Juan hasnt hammered home the point that Jodi had access to his computer after she killed him.

She had all kinds of time after she killed him to sabatage the PC. Just bringing that point up I think would have helped the judge realize it cannot be proven that Travis did anything of the kind that the DT keeps claiming.

So even if *advertiser censored* was found, it can never be proven who put it there. Really wish he would have hammered home that point.
Of course we havent even seen 1 picture of this alleged *advertiser censored* so maybe he didnt feel it necessary.
This case is so gross in so many ways.

This motion isn't about *advertiser censored*. It's regarding prosecutorial misconduct - evidence tampering.
Even if there was *advertiser censored*, I don't think Juan would waste time on a irrelevant matter at this point.

 

[JSR]

KatieCooLady, I thought of you today when Martinez called out Kiefer today in court. Hope it made your day. :happydance:

Many, many people outside of this forum know that he has an agenda.

I did too. And I did a little jig when I read the tweets. It's way over due to have Kiefer called out.

 

[JSR]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ser censored*-hearing-juan-martinez/20274011/

Arias trial: Mesa police expert admits *advertiser censored* on computer

Michael Kiefer and Anne Ryman

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Wait what?? This article does not sound at all similar to the tweeting reporting we got this afternoon INCLUDING his own damn tweets.

 

[daisydomino]

Originally Posted by Hatfield
With all the allegations from the DT about TA possibly having some type of *advertiser censored* on his computer, I am quite surprised that Juan hasnt hammered home the point that Jodi had access to his computer after she killed him.

She had all kinds of time after she killed him to sabatage the PC. Just bringing that point up I think would have helped the judge realize it cannot be proven that Travis did anything of the kind that the DT keeps claiming.

So even if *advertiser censored* was found, it can never be proven who put it there. Really wish he would have hammered home that point.
Of course we havent even seen 1 picture of this alleged *advertiser censored* so maybe he didnt feel it necessary.
This case is so gross in so many ways.




ITA ... The "porngate" issue is -- has ALWAYS been -- a yes/no re: Brady violation. 1) Did the PT purposely hide or destroy evidence? (Y/N) 2) If YES, does/could that hidden/destroyed evidence be exculpatory and affect the First Degree Murder conviction? (Y/N)

JM knows that even if the answer to #1 is, "Yes" ... the answer to #2 is, "No."

ALSO: How the heck do I include multiple quotes? I'm an idiot

Not an idiot, don't say that.

It's the farthest right icon with leftquotes in a speech balloon and a plus sign. When you hover your cursor over it, a hint reads "Multi-Quote This Message." Then you click on the messages to which you want to reply and hit the Multi-Quote button for each. You'll see a checkmark. Then click "Reply With Quote."

 

[bsk]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ser censored*-hearing-juan-martinez/20274011/

Arias trial: Mesa police expert admits *advertiser censored* on computer

Michael Kiefer and Anne Ryman

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Dang it. I thought for sure their headline would be "Arias trial: Taxpayer-paid cougarluscious illegally leaks info to azcentral reporter"

 

[ohreally]

Oh dear ...what has happened now to get talk off the subject of the case ..Travis !

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I think my question was misunderstood. I wonder if the reason the Twitter name was changed to the correct spelling is because she has deleted anything on her account about the case believing the judge may take a look at it since her Twitter name was brought up in court. To me anything this lady does for Jodi in her tweets effects Justus for Travis. Including how she is helping Jodi IMO to raise money.

 

[Becky Sharp]

Originally Posted by Hatfield
With all the allegations from the DT about TA possibly having some type of *advertiser censored* on his computer, I am quite surprised that Juan hasnt hammered home the point that Jodi had access to his computer after she killed him.

She had all kinds of time after she killed him to sabatage the PC. Just bringing that point up I think would have helped the judge realize it cannot be proven that Travis did anything of the kind that the DT keeps claiming.

So even if *advertiser censored* was found, it can never be proven who put it there. Really wish he would have hammered home that point.
Of course we havent even seen 1 picture of this alleged *advertiser censored* so maybe he didnt feel it necessary.
This case is so gross in so many ways.




ITA ... The "porngate" issue is -- has ALWAYS been -- a yes/no re: Brady violation. 1) Did the PT purposely hide or destroy evidence? (Y/N) 2) If YES, does/could that hidden/destroyed evidence be exculpatory and affect the First Degree Murder conviction? (Y/N)

JM knows that even if the answer to #1 is, "Yes" ... the answer to #2 is, "No."

ALSO: How the heck do I include multiple quotes? I'm an idiot

Join the club--we're a huge and inclusive and generally friendly bunch! (I think I'm the toastmaster to idiocy tonight.)

 

[bsk]

KN argued that having multiple anti-virus software programs means Travis was trying to hide *advertiser censored*.

By his logic, JA having a team of lawyers, mitigation specialist, expert witnesses, etc. means she's trying to hide that she deserves the death penalty.

And we now know that if you text after 11pm and use AV software on your computer that you are not only an abuser but also engage in child *advertiser censored*.

 

[bsk]

I think my question was misunderstood. I wonder if the reason the Twitter name was changed to the correct spelling is because she has deleted anything on her account about the case believing the judge may take a look at it since her Twitter name was brought up in court. To me anything this lady does for Jodi in her tweets effects Justus for Travis. Including how she is helping Jodi IMO to raise money.

Was it changed or did some get the spelling wrong? I think it was the latter.

Still it would be kind of funny if Juan filed a motion demanding twitter provide all her tweets and DMs since she came on board.

 

[daisydomino]

Wait what?? This article does not sound at all similar to the tweeting reporting we got this afternoon INCLUDING his own damn tweets.

For example, lol

Spoiler

08:38AM	@michaelbkiefer	Back in #JodiArias courtroom. Jennifer Willmott begins cross examination of Mesa PD detective Esteban Flores.	Twitter
08:39AM	@michaelbkiefer	Willmott begins by asking Flores how many years he has been a police officer (21) and asks about rules for crime scenes and evidence.	Twitter
08:45AM	@michaelbkiefer	Flores says that it is within evidence protocol to "wake" a computer and says he did so with Travis Alexander's at the crime scene.	Twitter
08:49AM	@michaelbkiefer	Det. Flores says that Alexander murder was the first case he handled where he brought defense to look at electronic evidence. #JodiArias	Twitter
08:54AM	@michaelbkiefer	Willmott walks Flores through a log of the police personnel who checked the computer out of the evidence locker. #JodiArias	Twitter
09:02AM	@michaelbkiefer	Flores says he did not plug in the cord or turn on Travis Alexander's computer when defense came to look at it. #JodiArias	Twitter
09:03AM	@michaelbkiefer	"I had a little bit of a concern," Flores says of turning on the computer, but, "I felt safe because we already had a copy." #JodiArias	Twitter
09:05AM	@michaelbkiefer	Flores says he did a hard shutdown of the computer when defense was done looking at it. Doesn't remember if Juan Martinez looked at it.	Twitter
09:06AM	@michaelbkiefer	"I don't remember anything about nude photos," Flores said. It wasn't an issue... at that time." #JodiArias	Twitter
10:18AM	@michaelbkiefer	Smith says that the drive was damaged. Martinez is done.	Twitter
10:18AM	@michaelbkiefer	"RT @TrialDiariesJ: Juan- What happened when you went to make an image from TA hard drive? Perry- It was damaged #jodiarias #3tvarias"	Twitter
10:32AM	@michaelbkiefer	Willmott begins her cross examination of Smith, first asking about protocol in dealing with computers at crime scenes.	Twitter
10:35AM	@michaelbkiefer	Willmott shows Smith a copy of Mesa PD policy and asks him to read to himself.	Twitter
10:37AM	@michaelbkiefer	The policy clearly says to secure the area and not to turn computers on or off or open files or access registries or discs.	Twitter
10:40AM	@michaelbkiefer	Willmott presses Smith on whether it's ok to wake up a computer from sleep mode at a crime scene. He says it is under some circumstances.	Twitter
10:42AM	@michaelbkiefer	Smith admits that the best course of action is to take the battery out and cord off the computer.	Twitter
10:42AM	@michaelbkiefer	RT @WildAboutTrial: Smith: There are reasons to waken a CPU from sleep at a crime scene. He did it once without a writeblocker. #JodiArias	Twitter
10:44AM	@michaelbkiefer	Willmott gets Mesa PD computer guy Smith to admit that waking the computer changes files and deletes cache files, among other things.	Twitter
10:46AM	@michaelbkiefer	Willmott then gets Smith to say it's a violation of policy to turn on the computer and presses him as to letting "civilians" do it. He balks	Twitter
10:49AM	@michaelbkiefer	Willmott gets to the copies. "They're not the actual evidence are they?" Smith: "No, they're not."	Twitter
10:50AM	@michaelbkiefer	Willmott asks if Smith has the exact image of the original hard drive at Mesa PD. Yes.	Twitter
10:51AM	@michaelbkiefer	Willmott gets Smith to say that the drives he examined were copies that were worked on, not the original evidence.	Twitter
10:51AM	@michaelbkiefer	RT @monicalindstrom: Expert:copies from Neu are nothing more than working copies, not images. not talking about the image/actual evidence. #jOdiArias	Twitter
10:52AM	@michaelbkiefer	RT @WildAboutTrial: Willmott points out these copies or clones are meant to be worked on. Smith agrees. #JodiArias	Twitter
10:54AM	@michaelbkiefer	Willmott asks if *advertiser censored* was found on the 2008 image. Long pause, then Smith says yes. And that it's not the same as the clones.	Twitter
10:55AM	@michaelbkiefer	Martinez redirect: Smith repeats that list of *advertiser censored* sites on registry doesn't mean the user went there.	Twitter
10:55AM	@michaelbkiefer	RT @TrialDiariesJ: Perry- It's a describing link and Det. Brown did find some *advertiser censored* on the computer.#jodiarias #3tvarias	Twitter
10:57AM	@michaelbkiefer	Martinez repeats that the incinerator file in the recycle.bin file could have been 70,000 deleted files.	Twitter
10:58AM	@michaelbkiefer	Back to changes on Neumeister's working copy versus the original. Martinez calls it tampering.	Twitter
11:00AM	@michaelbkiefer	Willmott objects that Martinez has the original and that the working clones are not relevant. Martinez calls them files that were changed.	Twitter
11:00AM	@michaelbkiefer	"Counsel, please approach."	Twitter
11:02AM	@michaelbkiefer	Back at 1:30. Willmott has more witnesses.	Twitter
12:17PM	@michaelbkiefer	Gotta deal with a breaking story, so my colleague @anneryman is covering for me this afternoon in #JodiArias. BTW, I'm off for rest of month	Twitter
12:19PM	@michaelbkiefer	@Tammybaby65 No, she was deliberately eliciting the answers she wanted. Lawyers do that.	Twitter
01:06PM	@michaelbkiefer	Arizona Court of Appeals orders murder case dropped against Debra Milke on double jeopardy grounds and "egregious prosecutorial misconduct."	Twitter
01:41PM	@michaelbkiefer	Appeals court dismisses Debra Milke murder charges http://t.co/cT91cPrvjS via @azcentral	Twitter
01:44PM	@michaelbkiefer	Btw: reporters don't need the judge's or the prosecutor's permission to do interviews.	Twitter
02:19PM	@michaelbkiefer	Go back to #JodiArias in time for Kirk Nurmi's last words. Coicidence: he compares Flores to Det. Saldate from Debra Milke story just wrote.	Twitter
02:20PM	@michaelbkiefer	Sorry I missed hearing about everything I did. Had another story to write.	Twitter
02:21PM	@michaelbkiefer	As Yogi Berra put it, "I never said half of the things I said."	Twitter
02:28PM	@michaelbkiefer	Appeals court dismisses Debra Milke murder charges @azcentral http://t.co/cT91cPrvjS	Twitter

Just noticed the time gaps. Ah well, his Tweets are easy to find if you want to read them.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Snipped from Troy Hayden's post conviction interview with CMJA:



Troy: “You have mitigation hearing coming up at penalty phase. You know what your mitigating factors are going to be and how you are going to play that?”

Jodi: “Well I’ve been told I don’t have any mitigating factors.”

Troy: “By who?”

Jodi: “My attorney.”

Troy: “So Kirk Nurmi said there are no mitigating factors for you in terms of arguing against the death penalty?”

Jodi: “Um nothing that is what you typically see in a case like this, such as a childhood where there was drugs, alcoholism, molestation, none of those things occurred in my family so I guess we would sort of joke that my mom didn’t beat me hard enough, so I don’t have mitigation.”

Troy: “So what are you going to do?”

Jodi: “They feel that I would be a suitable candidate to behave myself in a correctional facility and just not be a problem. That may be their angle, I don’t know.”