Shannan Gilbert: Baden Releases Autopsy Results 02.12.2016

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fred&edna said:
All good questions you have!

I don't know. It seems to suggest torture... which is horrifying.

I don't know about the liability factor either. IIRC, SCPD always blamed any delay in their arrival to OB on the victim saying she couldn't tell them her location.
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Scary. And you know if she had been tortured it sure could explain a whole lot of what she seen that made her run for her life. I'm not a serial killer but I'd imagine they'd have a little torture station set up that could alarm someone to run for their life.


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"Talking to a Suffolk dispatcher, Gilbert "intimates that she's being threatened," McCarthy said. Voices in the background tell her to calm down, he said."
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/missing-woman-s-kin-cop-response-not-quick-1.2546076

It sounds like Shannan told the 911 operator what was going on, and LE may have a better understanding of what was happening to shannan when she was still in the house then they have ever let on. This is because in my opinion the killer was in the house with her.
 
I wonder what the 911 dispatcher thinks of all this or even realizes it's such a big deal for all of us here.

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But the good doctor was only trying to help wayward girls.

LindsayLohan6 said:
"Talking to a Suffolk dispatcher, Gilbert "intimates that she's being threatened," McCarthy said. Voices in the background tell her to calm down, he said."
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/missing-woman-s-kin-cop-response-not-quick-1.2546076

It sounds like Shannan told the 911 operator what was going on, and LE may have a better understanding of what was happening to shannan when she was still in the house then they have ever let on. This is because in my opinion the killer was in the house with her.
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nycpizzaparty said:
But the good doctor was only trying to help wayward girls.
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What a great guy that doctor is. I will never get over him using the words "wayward girls" imo it goes with the use of "half breed" older words in a way. But I'm just not sure how convinced I am that they all were in on killing escorts. It's possible for sure. I've had so many crazy ideas to try and make it fit.

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SG would have been identified through the metal plate in her jaw if she was never reported missing. All metal plates and rods have numbers on them and they can be traced right back to the patient.
 
deedee21 said:
SG would have been identified through the metal plate in her jaw if she was never reported missing. All metal plates and rods have numbers on them and they can be traced right back to the patient.
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FWIW the actual plates in her jaws had neither identifying numbers nor any manufacturer's logo.
 
Baden is an opinion for hire and some of his findings are either flat out wrong or misleading. Not only in this case but others.

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Robert Anderson said:
FWIW the actual plates in her jaws had neither identifying numbers nor any manufacturer's logo.
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Hey Robert, one thought, since you mentioned that Hackett called in the helicopters on May 3, 2010
to specifically look for Shannan, could you please post the officer's report on it?

thnx
 
To Kill a Mockingbird said:
Hey Robert, one thought, since you mentioned that Hackett called in the helicopters on May 3, 2010
to specifically look for Shannan, could you please post the officer's report on it?

thnx
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And how would I have access to that lol?

The source for the helicopter story was Shannan's boyfriend in a statement to Kolker. I would hope we can agree that Alex is not pro-police and I can't see why he would misrepresent that part of the story.
 
Robert Anderson said:
And how would I have access to that lol?

The source for the helicopter story was Shannan's boyfriend in a statement to Kolker. I would hope we can agree that Alex is not pro-police and I can't see why he would misrepresent that part of the story.
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Dormer: " Suffolk is a safe county; Suffolk County is not crime-ridden; no one running around with blood dripping from a knife..."

Safe county? for who? Certainly not for some girls who advertised on Craig's List and certainly not for some who made
enemies with Jimmy Burke and/or Spota.

I don't doubt CPH said it to Alex and Alex said it to the one who wrote that book that you think is a bible

i'm asking for proof that the copters were up there in the air, that's all.
 
To Kill a Mockingbird said:
I don't doubt CPH said it to Alex and Alex said it to the one who wrote that book that you think is a bible

i'm asking for proof that the copters were up there in the air, that's all.
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You do realize that if this happened, and I have no reason to doubt Alex when he says it did, we're not talking a FBI Blackhawk or anything fancy. We're looking at a traffic helicopter IMHO doing a fly over, nothing more, nothing less. One copter, not several.

What would motivate Diaz to lie about it?

Dormer also confirmed AD's story.
 
Robert Anderson said:
A private email from Bob in June, posted here with permission.
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On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Bob Kolker <> wrote:

As readers of "Lost Girls" know, Hackett asserts that police used a helicopter to search for Shannan a few days after she disappeared. He is the only source explicitly referenced in the book. I know that a lot of people closely watching this case don't believe this is true. While I wasn't there myself and can't say for sure if it is true, I can say that for what it's worth, two other people say it happened, too.

Shannan's boyfriend Alex Diaz told me about it in a personal interview: "They [police] came like an hour later [after his first encounter with Hackett at Oak Beach], they even had a helicopter flying around the whole area. And they didn&#8217;t find nothing that day. I was shocked. I don&#8217;t know how they didn&#8217;t find her."

Now, maybe his memory is off, or maybe he is just repeating something that was just told to him by somebody at some point. But this is what he said.

Commissioner Richard Dormer told me the same thing: "I believe the helicopter flew over within a couple of days of her being missing. And that was very difficult, to see anything in that area. As I mentioned, everything in that area was in full bloom. It was just another tool that we could utilize just in case she was lying out there in the open."

His version is interesting to me, because it shows him both trying to demonstrate that the police were doing their job and trying to explain why they failed to find her. Convenient, maybe, but nevertheless, this is what he said.

The problem with all of this information is it that everybody who recollects it is either (a) motivated to color the truth in some way, (b) vulnerable to poor memory or suggestible memory, or (c) both. So I worry a little that what I have to say about this won't exactly end the argument. But there you have it.

(Side note: Assuming this copter fly-by really did happen in May 2010, it seems to me that it wouldnot have been an FBI black hawk with hi-resolution photography capability, as the department didn't seem to have access to that till the following year once more bodies were found.)
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I wonder if SG came across any drugs on that 15 minute run. You know, the kind of drug that can make one disoriented. Cause one to run off into a marsh.
 
To Kill a Mockingbird said:
Hey Robert, one thought, since you mentioned that Hackett called in the helicopters on May 3, 2010
to specifically look for Shannan, could you please post the officer's report on it?

thnx
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When you state factually at a conference that CPH put a copter in the air to search for Shannan, then you need a source.

Now, your source was 2 lines from a book that came out about the case. It was alleged, in the book, by the author, that CPH called
SCPD and had helicopters put up in the air to search for SG.

Not the case. I said repeatedly that he did not. And you refused to acknowledge that I was accurate, and on top of that, you were
trying to argue with me over it.

I knew that CPH did not call the SCPD because I knew from lack of evidence.
There is a lawsuit against CPH as you know and there is a thing called evidence
and there is a thing called hearsay.

When you SAY something happened and then you repeat it based on what someone else SAID it's hearsay.

When you produce CPH phone records to show me he called SCPD on May 3, 2010, as well as the helicopter report
that the officer filled out (which exists, oh by the way) it is called evidence.

When you pontificate repeatedly at a conference that something happened (i.e. CPH called SCPD to have helicopters search for SG)
and you state it with authority, and, at that very moment in time you don't have any evidence, only hearsay, and then you are
shown that you are incorrect, you lose credibility.
 
Hi, it's Bob Kolker. As I wrote earlier to Robert Anderson, nothing anyone told me about the copter is likely to prove persuasive to skeptics. And to be clear, in the book, I never said it happened -- I only included Hackett's claim that it did. I have no official document confirming that happened (only Dormer saying so), and I have no confirmation that it happened because of something Hackett did or asked for.

In this respect, To Kill a Mockingbird makes an excellent point. Lost Girls includes many people's perspectives and opinions, and it also includes information that was reported widely at the time. But this was a live case with a lot of unconfirmed information. No book about it ever could be an answer key or a Bible -- there are just too many widely disputed contentions in this case that are impossible to verify without actually having been there. Just because Hackett is quoted as saying he called in a police copter ride, that does not mean it's true. It just means he said it.

Cheers,
B
 
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