Sorting Fact from Fiction

Status
Not open for further replies.
and cuddle cat had a bath

A little off topic…. but I have been waiting for a time to comment on this!
My mom passed away and she had a little pink beanie baby bear
that I gave her when she was ill.
It was new and it sat up on the shelf for two months in her room
before she passed.
That is one of the things I wanted when she died.
It has black smeared mascara from my tears... and I even got a little
dr. pepper on it...but still...
I would never wash it.
To this day... almost a year later.. there are times when I
smell it just to try to get a hint of her scent.
 
A little off topic…. but I have been waiting for a time to comment on this!
My mom passed away and she had a little pink beanie baby bear
that I gave her when she was ill.
It was new and it sat up on the shelf for two months in her room
before she passed.
That is one of the things I wanted when she died.
It has black smeared mascara from my tears... and I even got a little
dr. pepper on it...but still...
I would never wash it.
To this day... almost a year later.. there are times when I
smell it just to try to get a hint of her scent.


You made me cry.
I'm so sorry for your loss.
 
A little off topic…. but I have been waiting for a time to comment on this!
My mom passed away and she had a little pink beanie baby bear
that I gave her when she was ill.
It was new and it sat up on the shelf for two months in her room
before she passed.
That is one of the things I wanted when she died.
It has black smeared mascara from my tears... and I even got a little
dr. pepper on it...but still...
I would never wash it.
To this day... almost a year later.. there are times when I
smell it just to try to get a hint of her scent.

I know exactly what you mean. For as long as I can remember, my mother always wore a certain cologne. After she died in 1992 I was cleaning out her drawers, and I found a half-full bottle. Lying next to it was a handkerchief which had a bit of her lipstick smudged on it and the scent of the cologne. I still have both, and every time I miss my mom I pour a bit of the cologne on her hankie. All I have to do is smell it to remember her, but I would never, never wash it.
 
A number of people were asking about whether the McCanns physically searched for Madeleine and, if so, for how long. The link below is by Paulo Reis of the Gazeta Digital, drawn from several newspapers. It has a wealth of information, set up in a question and answer format, about the first hours after she disappeared.

http://gazetadigitalpraiadaluz.blogspot.com/2007/09/some-advice-to-penny-wark-correspondent.html

This is about the actual search.

The manager of the resort, John Hill said around 60 staff and guests at the complex had searched until 4.30am while local police notified border police, Spanish police and airports.

The McCanns scoured the lanes above the resort, shouting for her in the dark.

A family friend, Jill Renwick, told GMTV that police activity ground to a halt at 3am. But Mr Hill said this was not true, and that police had been searching with dogs overnight and continued to search today. He said: ‘The police have their dogs in and have been conducting sweeps of the beach and rocky areas very close to the village. There is a criminal investigator here in charge of the situation and about 20 officers.'

Portuguese police yesterday sealed off the three-storey block and forensic specialists fingerprinted the ground floor window of the McCanns' apartment. All airports, ports and border posts have been alerted. But despite a massive search throughout the night by police, sniffer dogs and dozens of holidaymakers, there has been no sign of Madeleine.

By late afternoon the hunt for Maddy had intensified with helicopter crews, firemen and maritime search teams involved. A special criminal investigation team from the Policia Judiciria was travelling down from Lisbon. Sky News weather presenter Jo Wheeler said local police had been giving out maps and telling people where to look. She said: ‘It's very well organised.'

About calling in the police, the question was whether the local police were out of their league.

I had a different information. As the first Police officers to arrive at the crime scene were from Guarda Nacional Republicana (GNR) I called Lieutenant-Colonel Costa Cabral, head of Public Relations at Guarda Nacional Republicana headquarters, in Lisbon (phone number, email address are here). He told me that first call to GNR precinct at Lagos was received at 10.50 pm, May 3, and only after Police oficcers went there and evaluated the situation, CID in POrtimão was called.

Two GNR officers went to Ocean Club (a 10/15 minutes drive, from Lagos), evaluated the situation and than they called CID in Portimão, 25 km from Praia da Luz. They assembled a team and they were at the crime scene between 11h40, 11h50 pm, May 3.

Was vital time lost?

I think that vital time was lost between the moment Kate McCann realized her daughter was missing, around 10h00 pm, and the moment the first call was received at Police precinct, in Lagos: 50 minutes, time enough for a car to drive from Praia da Luz, following the highway A22, close to the Spanish border (a border that doesn’t exist, because since the Shengen Agreement was signed, countries that are members have no border control posts and can not put a road block in a border without asking, before, permission to do that, to the Shengen authority). Who is responsible for that, I'm not sure, yet.
 
Are you sure the above highlighted statement is true? Do you have a link? I really think this was a premeditated crime, and I have not seen any facts that point that Madeleine was 100% positively seen on this day alive, (as in video footage, surveillance cameras and the such). This can not include any personal cameras where dates can easily be altered.

Surely there where surveillance cameras around the day care?

I see where you're going with this. It would be very interesting to find out if:

a) The McCanns, like clockwork, dropped their 3 children off at the creche every morning, picked them up for lunch, took them back to the creche in the afternoon and picked them up at closing time EVERY DAY

but,

b) On May 3, they altered this routine.

Was Madeleine in the creche on May 3?
 
I see where you're going with this. It would be very interesting to find out if:

a) The McCanns, like clockwork, dropped their 3 children off at the creche every morning, picked them up for lunch, took them back to the creche in the afternoon and picked them up at closing time EVERY DAY

but,

b) On May 3, they altered this routine.

Was Madeleine in the creche on May 3?

A very interesting coincidence, if it's only that. I'm sure that was one of the 40 questions Kate refused to answer.
 
Calikid:

Was Madeleine in the creche on May 3?

Apparently yes, she was:

"The last time Madeleine was seen alive was by staff at the Ocean Club creche at 6pm."


http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/0909_maddie2.shtml

"Madeleine attended a creche that afternoon at the Ocean Club resort where they were staying, and was collected at 6pm; at 8.30pm the couple joined their friends at dinner, but they have insisted the children were looked in on at approximately half-hourly intervals. At 10pm, Kate McCann discovered her daughter had gone."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2165017,00.html
 
A little off topic…. but I have been waiting for a time to comment on this!
My mom passed away and she had a little pink beanie baby bear
that I gave her when she was ill.
It was new and it sat up on the shelf for two months in her room
before she passed.
That is one of the things I wanted when she died.
It has black smeared mascara from my tears... and I even got a little
dr. pepper on it...but still...
I would never wash it.
To this day... almost a year later.. there are times when I
smell it just to try to get a hint of her scent.


:blowkiss: :blowkiss: {{{{{HUGS}}}}} I'm sorry about the loss of your mother.
 
I think that vital time was lost between the moment Kate McCann realized her daughter was missing, around 10h00 pm, and the moment the first call was received at Police precinct, in Lagos: 50 minutes, time enough for a car to drive from Praia da Luz, following the highway A22, close to the Spanish border (a border that doesn’t exist, because since the Shengen Agreement was signed, countries that are members have no border control posts and can not put a road block in a border without asking, before, permission to do that, to the Shengen authority). Who is responsible for that, I'm not sure, yet.


I cannot understand why, if Kate was "SURE" that Madeleine had been TAKEN, the police were not called much sooner.
 
I cannot understand why, if Kate was "SURE" that Madeleine had been TAKEN, the police were not called much sooner.

Exactly BethInAK!!That is just one of the things in this case that is bugging the heck out of me.
 
If you can find a link to an article that claims they searched for her on their own, I'd love to read it.

CaliKid, here's a link to a story that says Gerry searched alone at midnight on waste ground near the beach:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topsto...waiters-gerry-was-perfect-dad-89520-19801178/

This story places Gerry alone at the beach at midnight. If the PJ arrived at around 1150, then Gerry was not there to meet them... Apparently Gerry was acting as though Madeleine had wandered...

More interestingly, the Tapas friends were not searching.

Last night police sources said they were "suspicious" because cardiologist Gerry was left to search the resort alone for most of the time, while his friends stayed shut away in their apartments.

"That is what made us suspicious. Why didn't they all spend the night and day searching instead of being hidden away in their rooms?" the source asked.

"Kate stayed in the apartment with the twins and a few others, watching from the balcony. It just didn't make sense to me."

I can understand why, if they believed a kidnapping had occurred, that they might not want to leave their families, but perhaps they already had their own opinions as to what had happened.
 
CaliKid, here's a link to a story that says Gerry searched alone at midnight on waste ground near the beach:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topsto...waiters-gerry-was-perfect-dad-89520-19801178/

This story places Gerry alone at the beach at midnight. If the PJ arrived at around 1150, then Gerry was not there to meet them... Apparently Gerry was acting as though Madeleine had wandered...


If the waiter's testimony is true, it contradicts the McCanns' story that they were searching until around 4 a.m. "on their own." Of course, they may very well have split up.

But I really don't understand why Gerry would be alone at midnight--that's only a couple of hours later. What kind of friend leaves another friend alone at a time like that?

Although when I read it...it also sounded like a man in terrible grief. Is he searching or mourning at the same time?
 
And if the waiter's story is true, it gives a very clear indication that Kate was frustrated with taking care of the children and may have resented the close relationship between Gerry and Madeleine.
 
If the waiter's testimony is true, it contradicts the McCanns' story that they were searching until around 4 a.m. "on their own." Of course, they may very well have split up.

But I really don't understand why Gerry would be alone at midnight--that's only a couple of hours later. What kind of friend leaves another friend alone at a time like that?

Although when I read it...it also sounded like a man in terrible grief. Is he searching or mourning at the same time?

My thought, Texana, is that Gerry might have left the resort before the PJ arrived so that he could go to the beach alone.

If the friends were not searching in the early hours, that might point to a rift within the group. PJ was said to be immediately skeptical about inconsistencies in stories told by the friends. Maybe some were angry at finding themselves in the situation.

And yes, I am sure he must have been in a terrible state of grief, regardless of what had occurred. One of the things that makes this case so gripping is the possibly that parents in a state of shocked grief could have also cold-bloodedly carried out whatever grim deeds were needed to conceal the death.
You have to be willing to think the unthinkable to believe that the parents did it. And some of us can, some of us can't.:(
 
I'm going to play devils advocate with this article -

One waiter says they were there over an hour. The report says last seen a 6. Arriving at 5 for over an hour puts it sometime past 6.

Waiters served them either spaghetti bolognese or fillet of fish. Then they had an ice cream. Then ,Madeleine was last seen in public outside the Ocean Club resort at 6pm after her tea in the beach restaurant. Question, is it norm for the kids to have tea after an evening meal?

Feels like stories made to be similar to eachother, creating an alabi and nice picture of the family.
 
I have some doubts about the waiters and other help in the area. Who would be in a better position, as we've read, to watch the comings and goings of the patrons? It seems there were burglaries with the possibility of a key being used.

I wonder how well, if at all, the background of any employees are checked out, even the ones from the car rental place.

There are a lot of loose ends in this case, but I feel them beginning to come together.
 
I'm going to play devils advocate with this article -

One waiter says they were there over an hour. The report says last seen a 6. Arriving at 5 for over an hour puts it sometime past 6.

Waiters served them either spaghetti bolognese or fillet of fish. Then they had an ice cream. Then ,Madeleine was last seen in public outside the Ocean Club resort at 6pm after her tea in the beach restaurant. Question, is it norm for the kids to have tea after an evening meal?

Feels like stories made to be similar to eachother, creating an alabi and nice picture of the family.

Rino, when they are talking about "tea" they are actually referring to "dinner"
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
132
Guests online
2,836
Total visitors
2,968

Forum statistics

Threads
592,514
Messages
17,970,176
Members
228,791
Latest member
fesmike
Back
Top