I think I'm the one who needs his head examined for going back to where he is now.
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I think I'm the one who needs his head examined for going back to where he is now.
Both of them.
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That too! And even though they were meant with sarcasm ("Brother" a la Hulk Hogan), they were, to an extent, attempts at friendliness.
Is he/she any friendlier where he/she posts now? And what's your take on the gender question, SD? Is Holdon a man or woman?
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DeeDee,
Not answering for Dave but my own experience... The answer is NO! he/she is not friendlier but then, he/she hates me LOLOLOLOLOLOL! It was brutal and drove me away from all things forum related for a while. Well, he and his new playmates, would be a fairer statement...
Yikes, I still have scars and I dont back down easily. But then on some forums its all about attack the poster and ignore the post...
In fact I liken it to feeling like a criminal being sent to fight the lions and tigers and bears (oh my) in the Roman Colosseum...
That was my experience and Dave can only speak for his and I'm assuming the gender issue, as I still have no clue...
Not answering for Dave but my own experience... The answer is NO! he/she is not friendlier but then, he/she hates me LOLOLOLOLOLOL! It was brutal and drove me away from all things forum related for a while. Well, he and his new playmates, would be a fairer statement...
Yikes, I still have scars and I dont back down easily. But then on some forums its all about attack the poster and ignore the post...
In fact I liken it to feeling like a criminal being sent to fight the lions and tigers and bears (oh my) in the Roman Colosseum...
That was my experience and Dave can only speak for his and I'm assuming the gender issue, as I still have no clue...
Haven't heard from him for a while. I wish he was still here, too.
It's weird, DD. I sometimes wondered if HOTYH was actually several different people.
SuperDave,
I reckon he was. There were times when he forgot important details or promoted opinions his alter-ego had just posted on.
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You might not have to worry, Agatha...
Just like KK told me.
How about a fire-breathing dragon?
I don't have a pony in this race, but SD, I'll place my bet on your opinion. :rocker:
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BOESP IYO whom was the 4th person there that night? I would guess JAR but that is MOO.
I won't buy JR's book and honestly I don't want to read it either via library. To your knowledge has it been read and if so is there anything there that hasn't already been stated? I remember JR saying in one of his interviews since marrying again that he couldn't have wished for a better mother than PR for his children. I remember when he was dating Beth Holloway and thought to myself are you kidding?
Wondering about the 4th person ......
I think BOESP is referring to JB herself.
Yes, that is correct.
Flatlander, I don't plan on reading it either by purchase or by library.
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Thanks SD. I'm feeling rather stupid at the moment.
Also I did refer to PR as nuts on another thread when the comparison was made of JB and my twinn doll. My apologies. :blushing:
An honest mistake.
Whether or not PR was "nuts" is another issue altogether. Type "UMI" into the forum search engine sometime!
He used to have a crony on here years ago...I forget the exact name- began with a C. That one got banned, I think. I always thought they were the same person. The alter-ego was much nastier than Holdon, and much less logical. Seemed to follow Holdon around.
Hey, we all do stuff that is embarrassing.
I'm not so sure nuts isn't a good word. Just stop and think. That poor child is dead in her grave and her father is still using her death as a foot-up to fame and money. How gauche is that? How many fathers would make a public spectacle of their daughter's death, using her death for fame and fortune and the chance to be on television? Gag a maggot.
I better quit posting since my blood pressure is starting to rise.
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I forgot to take my blood pressure medicine this morning but took it about an hour ago so I should be fine. SD your the best. I want to be first in line for your book when it comes out.
As for the UMI - well that just about sums it up. You couldn't have done a better job and what an interesting thread! I agree with you there should have been an autopsy. You made one statement that was so spot on.
Quote from SD:
PR herself came from a family of beauty pageant contestants. She and her sisters were groomed for it from a young age by their mother. PR's obsession was seemingly a second-generation fixation.
**I often wonder about Nedra's role in this. She never struck me as a particularly warm, friendly mom. Rather, she seemed the type who would not tolerate anything less than the absolute best from her daughters, and that if you weren't the very best you could be, you were worthless. PR was an extremely driven woman, driven to succeed. She often did, but was it enough? Was it for her own satisfaction, or a plea for Mother's love? Did she see JB as a way for her to make up for her "failures" and finally win the love she may have felt her mother denied her? Is that why she had such a severe emotional stake in JB's success? **
When a person's world is built on pillars, all it takes is the buckling of one support to send that person's world crashing in around them. It's no way to live, and it invites tragedy.
These are just some factors to consider.
So, the second part of the question is, if there were warning signs of some mental degeneration, why didn't anyone do anything? Well, any number of reasons, really. I'm sure many people wrote it off as the eccentricities of the nouveau riche. What would be "nuts" in a regular person is "quirky" in someone with vast werewithal. Ego is a big factor. Some people can't admit that they were wrong about people, or that they refused to listen to those nagging instincts. It's a long list. My point is, for a person to seek mental help, there has to be a clear realization that something is not right. But we don't always get that before tragedy strikes.
End quote SD.
I would have to say that for SD to make the above statement which is SO TRUE he must have experienced in one form or another because he understood it. This is what makes SD SD :rocker:
And Boesp you are correct in your review of JR. That's why I alway's wondered why in the world Beth Holloway would be interested in him?
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Sorry about going off topic.
So do I, sometimes.
I know what you mean. If there's one thing above all else that strikes me about this case, it's how both parents seemed to use JB's death as a springboard to fame (or at least, notoriety).
Here's hoping sometime this fall.
I really felt like a ghoul saying that, Flatlander. But I still think it would have been medically interesting.
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PR herself came from a family of beauty pageant contestants. She and her sisters were groomed for it from a young age by their mother. PR's obsession was seemingly a second-generation fixation.
**I often wonder about Nedra's role in this. She never struck me as a particularly warm, friendly mom. Rather, she seemed the type who would not tolerate anything less than the absolute best from her daughters, and that if you weren't the very best you could be, you were worthless. PR was an extremely driven woman, driven to succeed. She often did, but was it enough? Was it for her own satisfaction, or a plea for Mother's love? Did she see JB as a way for her to make up for her "failures" and finally win the love she may have felt her mother denied her? Is that why she had such a severe emotional stake in JB's success? **
When a person's world is built on pillars, all it takes is the buckling of one support to send that person's world crashing in around them. It's no way to live, and it invites tragedy.
These are just some factors to consider.
So, the second part of the question is, if there were warning signs of some mental degeneration, why didn't anyone do anything? Well, any number of reasons, really. I'm sure many people wrote it off as the eccentricities of the nouveau riche. What would be "nuts" in a regular person is "quirky" in someone with vast werewithal. Ego is a big factor. Some people can't admit that they were wrong about people, or that they refused to listen to those nagging instincts. It's a long list. My point is, for a person to seek mental help, there has to be a clear realization that something is not right. But we don't always get that before tragedy strikes.
End quote SD.
I would have to say that for SD to make the above statement which is SO TRUE he must have experienced in one form or another because he understood it. This is what makes SD SD :rocker:
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In some ways, I HAVE experienced it. I saw what cancer and the treatments did to both of my parents.