Theory #2: Family Abduction by George Waters with George Brody and/or Associates

[Annasmom]

One last question: Was George Waters racist? (Or GB for that matter) Or possibly the complete opposite? For example, how did they feel or act toward the African American race? Where they vocal in their beliefs?

iNTERESTED, I answered this and some of your other questions in a PM. Did you get it?

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Yes, Annasmom, received. Thank you. Sorry I didn't reply sooner. I've been so interested in Anna that I have been neglecting many of my household duties! I worked like a mad woman yesterday to get caught up so I could spend a few hours today to do a little more research. The info you gave me helped a lot but I'm still hoping to hear from Joe on a time line that his surveillance/letter writing was done.


Very interesting info from Dr. Doogie with a possible Brody/Attorney connection. Yet another twist to the case. I guess what seemed odd to me about the unclaimed property checking account balance of around $4K (for the George Brody in La Jolla) was the fact that it was a "Checking Account". That's just one of those things that doesn't seem to be over looked very often. Monthly statements on Checking accounts would tip off any potential heirs. Unlike say a stock, IRA or a mutual fund where the only notice you may receive is the year end 1099 form. (Or perhaps quarterly report in many cases) It makes a person think there must not have been anyone to leave it to.

Since you have a copy of GB death certificate, I guess you could always try to claim the money. Maybe you could at least get a little more info on the bank, when the account was opened & when it became inactive...(I'm not really sure how CA works but in NE if you call the UCP division saying something like..."I'm an heir to the John Doe estate, but it's a popular name so I need to determine if this is MY John Doe before I waste your time and mine by filling out all this paper work etc.", they will give you some information to verify if they are the same person.)

 

[Joe Ford]

Yes, Annasmom, received. Thank you. Sorry I didn't reply sooner. I've been so interested in Anna that I have been neglecting many of my household duties! I worked like a mad woman yesterday to get caught up so I could spend a few hours today to do a little more research. The info you gave me helped a lot but I'm still hoping to hear from Joe on a time line that his surveillance/letter writing was done.

drdoogie could better supply the dates. They would be on the letter or postmark on the envelope in the BFH.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

A few observations I made after downloading and printing out a copy of the "Plan" written by GW and also the crazy Flow Chart written by GB dated 3/73.

Number 1. on the Plan states: Contact MONY, (possibly) after Final arrangements with L's have been made. (Jan. 1973) - by GW

The title of the Flow Chart, is "L." - dated 3/73 by GB

It appears that this flow chart was written not for his own personal self reflection but for someone else's. Brody appears to be charting for someone (GW?) What happens when he falls in love with someone. (L.?) The out come is ecstasy if following the path of "Abe Lincoln", "The Great Entertainer- GB" or as in Song of Norway. Though any other path results in basically Lost Souls or Suicide. (Good Grief) I found it interesting he notes the opera/musical "Song of Norway" within the comparison to himself.

If you're not familiar, Song of Norway is an Operetta that came out in 1970. It's supposedly based on a true story of a poor young music student who marries his childhood sweetheart, who also happens to be his cousin. This causes a great family feud. Later he has an affair with a class mate, who is a wealthy woman who showers him with gifts and helps him reach his dream of being a concert pianist. Eventually he goes back to his wife/cousin. It initially didn't receive very good reviews so you have to wonder what his fascination with it was. Maybe he thought in his own vain way that it was a portrayal of related events in his own life.

As with Abe Lincoln who he also compares with himself, was also very poor as a child/young man who rose to the top as the 16th President of the US. If you remember Lincoln married a woman named Mary Todd who came from a very wealthy family.

So did GB come from a poor family and get his big break when he hooked up with a wealthy woman? Probably yes.


ALSO...

While it had been determined that MONY could be Mutual of New York, (now AXA) Just another thought, though I'm still working on how it could link. There is a Professor by the name of Mony de Leon who teaches at the New York University Medical School (oddly mental health & psychiatry dept.). At appears he's been there a long time as far back as the mid 70's that I can tell, (as a Professor). If George Waters went to medical school in NY would this man be a be collage of his?

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Yes, Annasmom, received. Thank you. Sorry I didn't reply sooner. I've been so interested in Anna that I have been neglecting many of my household duties! I worked like a mad woman yesterday to get caught up so I could spend a few hours today to do a little more research. The info you gave me helped a lot but I'm still hoping to hear from Joe on a time line that his surveillance/letter writing was done.

drdoogie could better supply the dates. They would be on the letter or postmark on the envelope in the BFH.

Unfortunately (in this context), the BFH is currently in the possesion of the detectives who are working the case. I have a property receipt that will allow us to reclaim it when they are finished, but I do not have access to it now.

 

[SherlockJr]

ALSO...

While it had been determined that MONY could be Mutual of New York, (now AXA) Just another thought, though I'm still working on how it could link. There is a Professor by the name of Mony de Leon who teaches at the New York University Medical School (oddly mental health & psychiatry dept.). At appears he's been there a long time as far back as the mid 70's that I can tell, (as a Professor). If George Waters went to medical school in NY would this man be a be collage of his?

This person had at one time lived in Anaheim, CA. and close in age to GW.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Things continue to get curiouser and curiouser...

 

[Annasmom]

This person had at one time lived in Anaheim, CA. and close in age to GW.

George went to Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons and had no contact that I know of with this person. I knew all his friends and most of his colleagues. I'll look at that flow chart when Doogie sends me the link, but right now I tend to think this is another strange coincidence.

 

[Annasmom]

A few observations I made after downloading and printing out a copy of the "Plan" written by GW and also the crazy Flow Chart written by GB dated 3/73.
If you're not familiar, Song of Norway is an Operetta that came out in 1970. It's supposedly based on a true story of a poor young music student who marries his childhood sweetheart, who also happens to be his cousin. This causes a great family feud. Later he has an affair with a class mate, who is a wealthy woman who showers him with gifts and helps him reach his dream of being a concert pianist. Eventually he goes back to his wife/cousin. It initially didn't receive very good reviews so you have to wonder what his fascination with it was. Maybe he thought in his own vain way that it was a portrayal of related events in his own life.

So did GB come from a poor family and get his big break when he hooked up with a wealthy woman? Probably yes.

"Song of Norway" was supposed to be based on the life of the Norwegian composer Edvard Grieg. I am trying, but I just don't see the connection. Of course, with Brody, often the connection was just in his mind and didn't necessarily correspond with objective reality.

 

[smile22]

noticed this thread was getting really long maybe we could lock it and start a part 2 on it

 

[rideforfun]

Song of Norway is also an upscale cruise ship.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

"Song of Norway" was supposed to be based on the life of the Norwegian composer Edvard Grieg. I am trying, but I just don't see the connection. Of course, with Brody, often the connection was just in his mind and didn't necessarily correspond with objective reality.

Yes you're right he was a composer, It's been a long time since I've seen it. My mistake. My point is Grieg was poor, and eventually hooked up with a rich woman who helped him to become successful. Abe Lincoln was poor, married a rich woman & became president. I think George thought this was true of his life. It's really not important, but makes you think thats what he thought of his relationship with MK. (Just validating what you all have thought all along)

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I really, (at this point) don't need the EXACT date GW received his letter from Joe. I just need an estimate. Was it just a few weeks after her disaperance, a few months, or a few Years?

 

[Annasmom]

I really, (at this point) don't need the EXACT date GW received his letter from Joe. I just need an estimate. Was it just a few weeks after her disaperance, a few months, or a few Years?

I believe it was in April of 1975, after the Chronicle story came out.

 

[Annasmom]

The title of the Flow Chart, is "L." - dated 3/73 by GB

It appears that this flow chart was written not for his own personal self reflection but for someone else's. Brody appears to be charting for someone (GW?) What happens when he falls in love with someone. (L.?) The out come is ecstasy if following the path of "Abe Lincoln", "The Great Entertainer- GB" or as in Song of Norway. Though any other path results in basically Lost Souls or Suicide. (Good Grief) I found it interesting he notes the opera/musical "Song of Norway" within the comparison to himself.

As with Abe Lincoln who he also compares with himself, was also very poor as a child/young man who rose to the top as the 16th President of the US. If you remember Lincoln married a woman named Mary Todd who came from a very wealthy family.

So did GB come from a poor family and get his big break when he hooked up with a wealthy woman? Probably yes.

Up to this time, I haven't looked closely at this "flow chart", mainly because I heard this particular rant so many times I didn't want to go through it again. Doogie forwarded the link to me and I looked it over. A few things are very important to know when looking at this diagram. It is in George Waters' handwriting, and was probably dictated by GB, who wanted to expound on his favorite subject, which was how irresistable he (GB) was and how everyone was in love with him and would be heartbroken and worse if he did not return their feelings. GW probably made the chart as a "good student" and admirer of GB, for his approval. The only possibly significant thing I saw about Lincoln is that he was known as "the great emancipator". You can see how this might build a case for taking Anna away from me, who was "doomed", etc. I don't get the Norway connection at all (not everybody likes Grieg, especially people who only knew him through a 1940s Hollywood movie which put words to his piano concerto, for goodness' sake.

GB didn't hook up with a wealthy woman. Margaret Kukoda sold cosmetics after she lost her nursing license. Of course he did hook up with a slaving physician, but I doubt this has anything to do with the chart.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Up to this time, I haven't looked closely at this "flow chart", mainly because I heard this particular rant so many times I didn't want to go through it again. Doogie forwarded the link to me and I looked it over. A few things are very important to know when looking at this diagram. It is in George Waters' handwriting, and was probably dictated by GB, who wanted to expound on his favorite subject, which was how irresistable he (GB) was and how everyone was in love with him and would be heartbroken and worse if he did not return their feelings. GW probably made the chart as a "good student" and admirer of GB, for his approval. The only possibly significant thing I saw about Lincoln is that he was known as "the great emancipator". You can see how this might build a case for taking Anna away from me, who was "doomed", etc. I don't get the Norway connection at all (not everybody likes Grieg, especially people who only knew him through a 1940s Hollywood movie which put words to his piano concerto, for goodness' sake.

GB didn't hook up with a wealthy woman. Margaret Kukoda sold cosmetics after she lost her nursing license. Of course he did hook up with a slaving physician, but I doubt this has anything to do with the chart.

Thank you for clearing this up. For some reason, I had it in my mind that I read GB wrote the chart. Anyway. If the Georges had anything to do with Anna's Disappearance, I think this holds the clue. Dated just 2 months after she went missing, makes it an important piece of evidence.

In your manuscript you write that Waters says he's "in Love" with Anna. I think the rantings of this flow chart are related to her.(?) If he did abduct her, (or had someone do it for him) and she wouldn't show him the Instantaneous Everlasting Attraction that he might have expected, it could have perplexed him enough to to sit down with Brody and over analyze the situation...I just don't like the box that says: Vulnerable 100% Totally at mercy of Loved One (LO) from this moment on. This scares me.

Also, do we know that MK was just a working class girl for sure? Maybe her family had money.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Even thought Dr. Doogie stated that he has privately researched this angle, I still have feeling it is entirely possible that Anna may have been "turned over" to Rev. Jim Jones, and the "Peoples Temple". Bare with me here with my theory.

Jim Jones moved his congregation to the San Fransisco Area in 1965, and by 1972/73 his socialist views where becoming very wide known, and spread to the LA area. At this point the Peoples Temple was running nursing homes which was also rumored to house up to 150 foster children. Jones was excepting anyone into his "Temple" who would benefit him, (ie. social security benefits, welfare, insurance policies (?)...) As early as 1974 a small group of "pioneers" moved to Guyana to begin the building of the compound. By 1977 there where around 1000 followers living on the Guyana Compound, about 1/3 children. After the mass suicide/murder by drinking Cyanide poison mixed in a grape drink, (11-18-78), over 900 bodies where left to decompose in the blistering sun of Guyana for several days. After it was all said and done, 234 unidentified people, (mostly children) where buried in a mass grave at Evergreen Cemetery in Oakland, CA

In the "Plan" the L's could be the Laytons (Several members of this family where devote followers of Jones as well as his Benefactors & Mistresses) - I have yet to tie them to GW/GB Though the setting up a life insurance policy with Anna as the beneficiary and later changing it to ?? (Jones/Layton/Peoples Temple) to secure her place there seems possible.

Brody & Waters supported the socialist society

Interestingly Brody was cremated/funeral was at Evergreen Cemetery in Oakland. Why there with all the hundreds of other options?

Waters committed suicide by drinking Poison. A gun to the head, overdose of drugs or jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge would all be popular options, but he drank poison. I wonder what kind of poison it was?



http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/ - a list of known dead.

Check out Georgianne Brady. I've check her out pretty well, and she is listed as being born in 1965 and appears to be a legitimate daughter of her mother Patricia, but she does resemble Anna.

Dr. Doogie, what made you turn your search into a different direction? Are you totally convinced she was not abducted and sent to Jonestown?

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Even thought Dr. Doogie stated that he has privately researched this angle, I still have feeling it is entirely possible that Anna may have been "turned over" to Rev. Jim Jones, and the "Peoples Temple". Bare with me here with my theory.

Jim Jones moved his congregation to the San Fransisco Area in 1965, and by 1972/73 his socialist views where becoming very wide known, and spread to the LA area. At this point the Peoples Temple was running nursing homes which was also rumored to house up to 150 foster children. Jones was excepting anyone into his "Temple" who would benefit him, (ie. social security benefits, welfare, insurance policies (?)...) As early as 1974 a small group of "pioneers" moved to Guyana to begin the building of the compound. By 1977 there where around 1000 followers living on the Guyana Compound, about 1/3 children. After the mass suicide/murder by drinking Cyanide poison mixed in a grape drink, (11-18-78), over 900 bodies where left to decompose in the blistering sun of Guyana for several days. After it was all said and done, 234 unidentified people, (mostly children) where buried in a mass grave at Evergreen Cemetery in Oakland, CA

In the "Plan" the L's could be the Laytons (Several members of this family where devote followers of Jones as well as his Benefactors & Mistresses) - I have yet to tie them to GW/GB Though the setting up a life insurance policy with Anna as the beneficiary and later changing it to ?? (Jones/Layton/Peoples Temple) to secure her place there seems possible.

Brody & Waters supported the socialist society

Interestingly Brody was cremated/funeral was at Evergreen Cemetery in Oakland. Why there with all the hundreds of other options?

Waters committed suicide by drinking Poison. A gun to the head, overdose of drugs or jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge would all be popular options, but he drank poison. I wonder what kind of poison it was?



http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/ - a list of known dead.

Check out Georgianne Brady. I've check her out pretty well, and she is listed as being born in 1965 and appears to be a legitimate daughter of her mother Patricia, but she does resemble Anna.

Dr. Doogie, what made you turn your search into a different direction? Are you totally convinced she was not abducted and sent to Jonestown?

There are some interesting points in this post - some that I will need to process before I can respond fully. You raise some good questions that deserve good answers. But to answer one of your questions, the poison that GW used to commit suicide was cyanide.

 

[Annasmom]

Even thought Dr. Doogie stated that he has privately researched this angle, I still have feeling it is entirely possible that Anna may have been "turned over" to Rev. Jim Jones, and the "Peoples Temple". Bare with me here with my theory.
Check out Georgianne Brady. I've check her out pretty well, and she is listed as being born in 1965 and appears to be a legitimate daughter of her mother Patricia, but she does resemble Anna.
Dr. Doogie, what made you turn your search into a different direction? Are you totally convinced she was not abducted and sent to Jonestown?

I don't see any resemblance whatsoever.

 

[mfmangel1]

I don't see any resemblance whatsoever.

I am in total agreement. I thought perhaps I was viewing the wrong picture.