TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden; believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #34

[believe09]

I am also the searcher that located the Lexington, TN, Motel keycard that was dismissed by the THP.. It was like new...& located near other significant items located in the Easter search..It was bagged & tagged, yet TBI PIO Helms reported that it was not turned in to evidence. I had words with the THP Officer, due to the perceived hypothesis attitude that I had experienced before in a prior abduction investigation in GA. He said that it prolly had nothing to do with Holly's abduction. I said, 'couldn't the abductor have staged at the motel or took her there after the abduction'? He said, "no we know who took her and he kept her at his house"..
That was 16+ months ago...Perceived hypothesis..why most cases go cold..

Foxfire, from your post-are you a verified insider or SAR in the Bobo case? TIA.

 

[Foxfire]

If the perp had a criminal record, wouldn't his DNA be in the database? If so, are we to believe he didn't leave any DNA behind when he/she abducted Holly?

Is the blue pill meth related? :waitasec:

Not all US States have DNA laws & many states have only passed them in the last few years. Many convicted felon's DNA has never been added to FBI CODIS.. This is why the Familial DNA Laws are so important..

The little blue pill; Viagra, extends the age that sexual predators remain active, who may otherwise become impotent. Many sexual predators/SKs that have been apprehended as of late were in their 60s... JMHO

 

[Foxfire]

Foxfire, from your post-are you a verified insider or SAR in the Bobo case? TIA.

believe09, no I am not a verified insider, although I am a member of a SAR org. I went on the Holly Bobo search strictly as an independent volunteer searcher.

Why do you ask..

 

[believe09]

Not all US States have DNA laws & many states have only passed them in the last few years. Many convicted felon's DNA has never been added to FBI CODIS.. This is why the Familial DNA Laws are so important..

The little blue pill; Viagra, extends the age that sexual predators remain active, who may otherwise become impotent. Many sexual predators/SKs that have been apprehended as of late were in their 60s... JMHO

http://www.nij.gov/journals/264/debating-DNA-growth.htm

Today, all 50 states have passed their own statutes that require certain offenders to provide a DNA sample for inclusion in CODIS, the federal Combined DNA Index System database, and state databases after conviction. Indeed, many states, beginning with Colorado in 1988, had statutes mandating DNA collection from various offenders post-conviction that preceded the federal government’s move. Often these laws began with a focus on sex offenders (and today, all states collect DNA from sex offenders), although Virginia made its legal debut in this arena with a law mandating collection from all convicted felons.

DNA Backlog Elimination Act 2000

Accordingly, Congress passed the DNA Analysis Backlog Elimination Act of 2000 ("DNA Act"), 42 U.S.C. § 14135 et seq., which authorizes the "Attorney General to make grants to eligible States . . . to carry out, for the inclusion in the Combined DNA Index System of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, DNA analyses of samples taken from individuals convicted of a qualifying State offenses." 42 U.S.C. § 14135(a)(1). Moreover, the DNA Act provides that "the Director of the Bureau of Prisons shall collect a DNA sample from each individual in the custody of the Bureau of Prisons who is, or has been, convicted of a qualifying Federal offense" and that "the probation office responsible for the supervision under Federal law of an individual on probation, parole, or supervised release shall collect a DNA sample from each such individual who is or has been, convicted of a qualifying Federal offense." 42 U.S.C. § 15135a(a)(1)-(2). In addition, Congress has mandated the collection of DNA samples from "each individual in the custody of the Bureau of Prisons who is, or has been convicted of a qualifying District of Columbia offense" or any "individual under the supervision of the Agency who is on supervised release, parole, or probation who is, or has been convicted of a qualifying District of Columbia offense." 42 U.S.C. § 14135b(a)(1)-(2). Congress left to the District of Columbia the responsibility of determining which offenses under the District of Columbia Code should be deemed qualifying offenses. 42 U.S.C. § 14135b(d). The District of Columbia has determined that forty-nine separate offense qualify for collection under the DNA Act. See, D.C. Code § 22-4151(1)-(46). These qualifying offense include, for example, arson, aggravated assault, burglary, kidnaping, robbery, attempted robber and carjacking. Id.

 

[believe09]

believe09, no I am not a verified insider, although I am a member of a SAR org. I went on the Holly Bobo search strictly as an independent volunteer searcher.

Why do you ask..

Well, we do have a number of verified proffessional insiders and SAR members here at WS and on this thread. It helps us as posters give proper weight to their posts and the experiences that they relate. No offense to you, but for example I could claim to be anyone and take this thread off of the rails with more rumor etc. This case has already experienced a heart breaking amount of it.

That is why I asked.

 

[believe09]

Here is who we have listed as insiders and SAR:

K9 SAR & Police
SAR management
justtoseeyousmile
k9snoop
Oriah
Sarx
K-9 Chaser is a verified SAR dog handler
indepmo is a verified SAR
MTrooper is a verified SAR

Holly Bobo Case
greengreen is a verified local
notinmycommunity
Won'tforgetusername
Nehemiah

 

[imamaze]

believe09, no I am not a verified insider, although I am a member of a SAR org. I went on the Holly Bobo search strictly as an independent volunteer searcher.

Why do you ask..

If you would like to be verified as a professional poster, such as an insider/local, doctor, lawyer, chemist, or whatever your profession, then please do the following:
Email Websleuths at : wsverify@xmission.com
In your email please include:
*The case
*Your Websleuths name
*Your real name
*Your phone number and a good time to call
In the subject line put either the case you are interested in or the profession you wish to verify.
Thank you!

Foxfire, this includes SAR, or even posting as a searcher in Holly's case if you are going to post info that can't be verified thru the media or law enforcement.

Thanks

Ima

 

[believe09]

Always room for more verified!!!

 

[Foxfire]

I just can't make the meth connection to this case with the little information we know. There are so many other much more plausible theories than some dope head abducting Holly because she may have known too much (??) Is that what the meth theory is? Did someone have a meth lab on the Bobo property? It's so difficult to even speculate on that without any basis whatsoever. :moo:

~n/t~, I wasn't implying that Holly Bobo's abduction was related to her involvement with meth/drugs in any way.

Holly Bobo & her family are the innocent victims in this tragedy.

I have been researching sexual predators/serial killers for years and the one common denominator that comes up in virtually every case is the drug/meth connection..

 

[Montjoy]

I have been researching sexual predators/serial killers for years and the one common denominator that comes up in virtually every case is the drug/meth connection..

I'm sorry, do you have a source for this? It seems like a huge overstatement that does a disservice to the psychopathology of serial murderers and sexual predators (which really shouldn't be grouped together anyhow).

 

[Foxfire]

http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/science-scope/blame-the-brain-psychopaths-are-wired-differently/632

My observations of patterns from researching sexual predators & psychopathic serial killers from the 1980s to the present.
There seems to be the common denominator of methamphetamine use/abuse. From Pastors to Politicians, seems no one is excluded. Meth seems to be the catalyst for psychopaths to act out their fantasies, and create new psychopathic tendencies in otherwise normal personalities..

Just my opinion and observations.
Wished some of our more studied members/verified posters would contribute their thoughts on the possible Meth connection..and pysychopathic personalities.

Blame the brain: Psychopaths are wired differently

The same reward system in the brain that hooks people to drugs might also explain why some people act like psychopaths.

We know that cold-blooded criminals lack empathy and fear — and are, by societal standards, a bit odd. But new research shows that it is not the traits that psychopaths lack that make them behave badly, it’s the traits that they do have. Not only are psychopaths impulsive, they like to take risks and seek out rewards.

So-called psychopathic traits have been linked to a disruption in the dopamine reward circuitry in the brain. And it is this disruption that drives psychopaths to want money, sex, or fame, in extreme ways.
Read more-

 

[Foxfire]

I'm sorry, do you have a source for this? It seems like a huge overstatement that does a disservice to the psychopathology of serial murderers and sexual predators (which really shouldn't be grouped together anyhow).

Thanx, Montjoy, interesting...What is your opinion as to why sexual predators & serial murderers shouldn't be grouped together..

 

[Foxfire]

Always room for more verified!!!

K..believe09..

 

[Montjoy]

Thanx, Montjoy, interesting...What is your opinion as to why sexual predators & serial murderers shouldn't be grouped together..

Because they are different. Not all SKs have sexual motives.

Your reply fails to address my question, and neither link you provide in the post above works. It doesn't really matter as an email and a blog could not support what you asserted above.

 

[Oriah]

Bumping Holly's FBI sanctioned MP/kidnapped poster again:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

and her NCMEC poster:
http://missingkids.com/missingkids/...NCMA&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

 

[Foxfire]

Because they are different. Not all SKs have sexual motives.

Your reply fails to address my question, and neither link you provide in the post above works. It doesn't really matter as an email and a blog could not support what you asserted above.

Sorry about the bad links, Montjoy.. and not all sexual predators are motived by sex..
I realize that there are many studies of psychopathic traits. Just thought this one conducted at Vandy University was interesting.


Blame the brain: Psychopaths are wired differently

http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/science-scope/blame-the-brain-psychopaths-are-wired-differently/632

 

[Foxfire]

'Both the 2011 TN Governor's Public Safety Action Plan & the passing of the Familial DNA Law in TN are very positive steps, imo. I believe that Holly Bobo's abduction was instrumental in these improvements of public safety in TN'.

Prepared for Governor Haslam by Subcabinet Working Group

http://news.tn.gov/system/​files/PU... ...

Summary of Goals and Objectives

OBJECTIVES

Tackle violent street crime plaguing many communities and neighborhoods.
(snipped - Read More- Much More)

Haslam Unveils Comprehensive Public Safety Strategy | TN.gov Newsroom
news.tn.gov
NASHVILLE – Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam today announced a comprehensive, multi-year action plan designed to improve public safety statewide.
_____________________________

http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/107/Bill/SB0260.pdf

HOUSE BILL 1823
By Lundberg
SENATE BILL 260
By Ramsey
AN ACT to amend Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 38,
relative to familial DNA searching.

38-6-1__.
(a) By January 1, 2012, the Tennessee bureau of investigation shall establish a
state policy and uniform procedures authorizing familial DNA searches in certain criminal
investigations.

 

[believe09]

Bumping Holly's FBI sanctioned MP/kidnapped poster again:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

and her NCMEC poster:
http://missingkids.com/missingkids/...NCMA&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

Just to get Holly's thread back on track...I realize that the results of the active search this weekend are not to be discussed, but I am praying for the Bobo family and those who are devoted to recovering Holly!!

 

[believe09]

SoutheastCanine SearchandRescue
August 11 at 7:00am until August 12 at 1:00pm
Holliday TN
The family's search for Holly Bobo will continue on August 11th and 12th. We will be meeting at 7am again and working until about 1pm. We will announce where we will meet as the search gets closer.

Anyone who would like to register for the search should go to http://www.southeastk9sar.org/Search_Pre-Registration.html. You must pre-register to search. This saves us 2 hours on the day of the search.

If you can't be there, but would like to provide anything else that you think would help please contact Chris Williams at (931) 209-8863.

Must be 18 years old to search.


It is also my understanding that CUE may be here again in August.

Bump-ity

 

[SmoothOperator]

Posted June 28, 2009 at midnight

"Folks, the TBI is simply not utilizing their most valuable tool in missing persons investigations; the American public"... due to their antiquated strategy of silence....look at the Mayes Case, or the Mickey Schunick Case. Both were solved due to an aware citizen's tip"..

RSBM..
The above BBM.. And there in lies a huge, huge, huge part of the problem negatively impacting these cases thereby leaving countless numbers of them open, inactive, and unsolved.. Frustrating to say the least..

I won't derail the thread with the frustrating and mind numbing talk of TBI so I will leave at this..

Of course I am speaking as a citizen, layman, that doesn't have all the inside knowledge(tho with many of these cases I truly believe there really isn't all that much inside knowledge..jmo)..but it is frustrating and induces a bit of crazy if ya sit and dwell on it for too long.. To see a repeated process.. Or SOP that is used in these cases that yield NOTHING!!.. Nothing at all for anyone.. Not for the victims.. Not for their loved ones.. Not for justice or for the communities.. Therefor IMO it's almost as is the actual definition of crazy..

When you continue to repeat the same processes, actions, etc over and over yet are actually believing the end result will somehow be different.. Well that's crazy.. And as I said frustratingly appears to be how the investigations especially in my area of the country(TN) are continued to be handled.. I pray to God something never happEns to me while residing here in TN because I fully realize the chances of my being found, my family receiving closure are slim to none while on the bright side those that are responsible for these women's abductions, murders, etc.. Well.. Theyve got it made and are free to continue on inevitably one day again to make another.. Or many other females innocent victims as well..:sigh: