Transcript of Video 2 continued...
07:20
DF: Oh man…
07:20
JA: for anti-theft wheel locks so… I had to get a hotel room, I had to get my car towed, it was a big nightmare ummm and I was kinda’ hungry, it was dinnertime, it was 7:38 and it was dark cos it was January ummm…and the tow truck guy said you know there’s a Denny’s two blocks down here, and there’s a Jack in the Box there and he was driving me to the motel I said is there an IHop around, cos I really like IHop he’s like yeah but it’s like 5 miles back in the other direction. I was like uhhhh… okay. He says I can drive you there if you want. And I was like... he’s like this short Mexican guy and he seemed really harmless and I was like… ahhh okay and he, you know, I asked him about his life and he had a wife and kids and… so he wasn’t flirting… or he had girlfriend or something…
08:02
DF: he’s just trying to be nice to you
08:03
JA: Just being nice. And so I ended up telling, and he didn’t ever say anything inappropriate. And then he drove me and dropped me off and that was that. And umm…and I got to eat. And so I told that to Travis and he didn’t say anything at first but it got back to Sky and sky was like why didn’t you call me and then I think eventually that was used against me to establish a pattern that I do weird things like that.
So, umm that’s something we had arguments about a lot was umm he’s just like…
08:31
DF: So he was really upset with you about that. He felt a little jealous, but…
08:35
JA: And…I… I…He told me once that he was a little bit jealous when he found that I went on one of those dates but he said I know we’re not dating. And he’s like I guess I am a little bit jealous, but with these other incidents he says it just concerns him because he thought that I would get myself into a situation where I’d get hurt because I have that sort of attitude. And I was really… since I joined Prepaid I’ve really trying to break out of my bubble and do things that are a little uncomfortable as far as umm… ummm… talking to people and you know I made a resolution this year to overcome a few fears that I have that I’m really scared of…and I think that by getting into that a little that I can overcome some of that. Umm but his... he did act jealous, but he wouldn’t say he was jealous. He would just say he was concerned.
09:22
DF: But he would tell other people about it?
09:24
JA: What do you mean?
09:25
DF: Did he tell Sky Hughes?
09:26
JA: Oh, yeah, he… I guess it got… I may have told Sky about that.
09:30
DF: But they probably had a conversation with him and he probably voiced his opinion
09:33
JA: They had many conversations.
09:33
DF: …on how he didn’t like it.
09:35
JA: I know that him and Sky had lot of fights and arguments and it was… and I was the root of that a lot of time, but I think, you know, all in all, they… especially more recently they got along a lot better. I think she gave him a really hard time about our relationship, so it’s one of the reasons he really wanted to keep it under wraps.
09:58
DF: So moving over to his trip to Cancun that he was going to. Umm…. when did you first find out about that, that he was going with Mimi?
10:10
JA: Oh... I didn’t find out… I found out about that at his memorial services on Monday... it was the Monday night Memorial services.
10:18
DF: So you didn’t know he was going to Cancun?
10:21
JA: I knew he was going. Yeah.
10:22
DF: You didn’t know he was taking Mimi?
10:24
JA: I didn’t know that. I think that’s awesome actually.
10:26
DF: Yeah… well, unfortunately, Mimi had called him a week or two before and uhhh had told him, Look if you want to take somebody else that’s fine, but I have something to tell you; I don’t look at you that way. I don’t look at you as a boyfriend. If you want to be friends, we can be friends, and that really broke his heart.
10:47
JA: I know...umm… I mean he didn’t tell me that but I found out from his Bishop afterward when I talked to his Bishop, and his Bishop did say that Travis really took that one hard, and he said he took it to heart and he realizes that it’s speaking from a Bishop’s perspective he said it’s because, you know, Mimi is of a certain caliber when it comes to her spirituality and Travis was just in another place.
11:10
DF: He’s struggling… and it’s something he struggled with for a long time.
11:14
JA: Well, I feel… I feel responsible for that part.
11:17
DF: Why do you feel responsible?
11:18
JA: Because I wasn’t… I mean I had moved away but I had participated with him in so many things that kept us both down spiritually for a long time. I mean if I had just cut ties completely I could probably be married right now. I could probably be working on my own family… umm…
11:35
DF: What kept you to him? I don’t understand.
11:42
JA: Well, moving is expensive for one. So once I was there I was kind of stuck there. Umm…
11:47
DF: But why do you continue to go back to him. You know what he wants. You know that it’s not healthy but yet you continue to go back and it brings us to the point where we’re here now. Okay… I mean…
12:01
JA: Ummm…..I guess I… I… physically...
12:08
DF: You keep saying you knew that it wasn’t healthy and you knew it was contributing to something that wasn’t good and…but yet you guys continued to do it.
12:18
JA: Yeah… and part of my ummm perspective now has to do with the fact that I’m going through a re_____(unintelligible) process that I’ve worked out with, you know, my bishop and he’s given me, you know, certain scriptures to read and ponder and pray about, and it just… it brings me back to where I was prior to all of that. Umm I don’t know how much I ever really was there as much as I am now because even before I was baptized, even the 2 days before I was baptized, four days, it was on Wednesday, I was baptized on Sunday, umm before Thanksgiving, and it was just like Travis and I were making out and you know… that was prior to we hadn’t gone all the way at that point which is too far, and I called him that evening and I said I didn’t… it felt different. The first time that was great, whatever. And then it just felt different this time. And it was just before I was about to be baptized and I had already had my interview and so it was like... it was just different. He’s like Yeah, I feel the same way and I think that’s the Spirit telling us this that or the other I think by driving the Spirit away so much you just get into this pattern of… of… I don’t know... it was just… it was …there was a couple times where I didn’t answer his text messages and he would send me little sad faces or eventually he would wait and then he would call and then he would call again and if I didn’t answer he would call again three times.
13:48
DF: You guys kept this relationship hidden from everybody else and uhhh 'cos nobody really knew about it. There were some people who I’ve talked to and said yeah they continued to have a relationship even after they broke up, and there are others who are saying you had become obsessive with him to the point to where you would uhh go into his house when he wasn’t there or when you weren’t invited, and he would talk to people saying you know she just kind of showed up and I don’t want to tell her to leave but uh… you know…I don’t want her here.
14:26
JA: Oh, there were… that was… that must have been early on... cos there were a couple times when…We established a rule early on just don’t, you know, don’t come over… he said, you can come over anytime but I need to know first.
14:37
DF: Yes.
14:38
JA: He’s like you just never know if there’s people…
14:39
DF: 'Cos you ran into somebody one time, right? Didn’t you run into like one of his ex girlfriends as well, or was it Deanna that you ran into?
14:45
JA: Oh, yeah… well, that was… I was…that was okay that I was there. He asked me to stay there and umm be with Napoleon because that was during conference, general conference in October of last year. He took a road trip with some friends from his church to Utah and umm unless he’s going to California he pretty much leaves Napoleon at home and so he needed someone to be there, and it’s like I got full house privileges. I could sleep in the bed, I could eat, you know, food…
15:13
DF: I talked to her and she said that was kind of an unusual kind of situation and she didn’t expect you to be there.
15:19
JA: She didn’t at all and so… first I was like, well I was like, Did you give Deanna any… any… you know flack over coming over unannounced, (giggles) because we had just set this rule, and he’s like, I talked to her about it. He’s like, but I’ll tell you what I was on the phone with three hours with her she was freaking out that you were there… and umm I think the more people knew about us associating the more stress we both got from it and so umm it was just easier to try and keep it a secret, and we didn’t always do a good job of that. I think his roommates may have seen or heard some things. Ummm but they were kind of keep to themselves types so we didn’t worry too much about them.
16:00
DF: Okay
16:01
JA: There was actually one roommate, John Hepworth who ended up remarrying his same wife and moved back to Utah, and umm…I was cleaning his house one day and, John told me, he was like, you know Travis is dating, and I said, Okay, and… I assumed he was, you know, going on dates and things and he’s like, No, he’s really trying to date and umm… and I said, Oh, Okay, and he’s like, he’s desperate to get married, and I said, I know that’s true. And he’s like, I just wanted to tell you that because I don’t think he’s being honest with you. And I was like, Okay. So that night, umm…you know, I confronted him about it, and we had a really big fight and it was also a bunch of things were thrown in the mix together and then we… he said, Listen, I’m not dating anyone, umm… but, he was very angry at John for getting into his business. Umm he told John in a very nice way, I think, Hey, I know that you have probably have good intentions but just… you know…mind your own business kind of thing, and from then on, John, I don’t think John or I said anything.
17:19
DF: (Sighs)
17:22
JA: And that was… that was in October, I think.
17:26
DF: You’ve kind of given me a really good run down of your relationship and umm… how you guys thought of each other and stuff, and I was pretty close to right on with my… with my theory on how you guys, you know, why you continued to see each other and what was going on during that time. Ummm I think there’s some other things that you’re not telling me. I think maybe you were … the jealousy probably continued even after the fact that you moved away, umm…for instance, the uhh…was it the week of the … well the first week of June, you took a trip to Salt Lake City. Remember that trip we talked about?
18:10
JA: Oh this year, I’m sorry. I’m thinking back, umm Yeah…
18:14
DF: You had left…I think it was like a Monday.
18:17
JA: More like Monday, June 2nd. I remember that now.
18:18
DF: Monday, June 2nd, in the morning or afternoon or something I can’t remember late morning
18:23
JA: I think it was morning.
18:24
DF: Okay, and you had gone down to Reading and rented a car
18:27
JA: Mmm Hmmm.