TRIAL OF CHAD DAYBELL CHARGED WITH MURDER OF JJ VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN AND TAMMY DAYBELL #4

[wnk]

And court's done for the day!

STATE OF IDAHO V CHAD GUY DAYBELL

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DAY1: W APRIL 10, 2024 (video)


INDICTMENT
Count I: Conspiracy to commit first degree murder and grand theft by deception (Tylee)
Count II: First degree murder (Tylee)
Count III: Conspiracy to commit first degree murder and grand theft by deception (JJ)
Count IV: First degree murder (JJ)
Count V: Conspiracy to commit first degree murder (Tammy)
Count VI: First degree murder (Tammy)
Count VII: Grand theft (Tylee & JJ’s social security benefits)
Count VIII: Insurance fraud (LifeMap Assurance Co)
Count IX: Insurance fraud (Primerica Life Insurance Co)

ROB WOOD: STATE ATTNY
Opening Statement: “Two dead children buried in Chad Daybell’s backyard… His desire for sex, money and power led...to the deaths of his wife and two innocent children."

JOHN PRIOR: DEFENSE ATTNY
Opening Statement: “What’s important are facts and evidence.”

1a - LT RAY HERMOSILLO: STATE WITNESS, Rexburg Idaho PD detective
Jeep surveillance, welfare check, search warrants on apartments (Nov 2019); search warrants in HI (Jan 2020); final proof of life for Tylee (8 Sep 2019) and JJ (22 Sep 2019); Tammy’s death (19 Oct 2019); discovery of kids’ bodies in CD’s yard (9 Jun 2020)

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DAY2: Th APR 11, 2024 (video)

1b - LT RAY HERMOSILLO: STATE WITNESS, Rexburg Idaho PD detective
discovery of kids’ bodies in CD’s yard (9 Jun 2020); attempted shooting of Tammy (9 Oct 2019); shooting of Charles Vallow (11 Jul 2019); attempted homicide of Brandon Bordeaux (2 Oct 2019)
D X-EXAM: body cameras; paintball guns; charges in Charles & Brandon’s cases; interview of Melanie Gibb & David Warwick
S REDIRECT: CD familiar with and not afraid of AC

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DAY3: M APR 15, 2024 (video)

2a - VINCE KAAIAKAMANU: STATE WITNESS, Fremont Co Sheriff
CD & LVD phone call on day when children were discovered (9 Jun 2020)
D X-EXAM: Interviews Melanie Gibb, Garth Daybell
S REDIRECT: CD & LVD phone call tone (9 Jun 2020)
D RECROSS: possible other reasons for tone, driving off

3 - ERIC WHEELER: STATE WITNESS, Rexburg PD detective
Video of CD & Emma after arrest (9 Jun 2020)
D X-EXAM: body cam footage of CD’s arrest, being told “Your attorney can now come to you”
S REDIRECT: timing of CD’s flight
D RECROSS: CD had not been told about remains when he left in his car

4 - LT JOE POWELL: STATE WITNESS, Fremont Co PD detective
surveillance (Nov 2019); Tammy’s medical records, exhumation and autopsy (11 Dec 2019)
D X-EXAM: No body cams; Tammy’s medical records and prescriptions
S REDIRECT: timing of Charles Vallow’s death, Tammy’s death
D RECROSS: CD not implicated in Charles Vallow’s death

5a - NICOLE HEIDEMAN: STATE WITNESS, FBI Tactical Specialist
Phone attribution for CD (9 numbers, 3 of interest), LVD (6 numbers, 3 of interest), AC (6 numbers, 3 of interest)

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DAY4: T APR 16, 2024 (video)

5b - NICOLE HEIDEMAN: STATE WITNESS, FBI Tactical Specialist
Web searches including: wind direction (8 Sep 2019), Jeep seat removal (30 Sep 2019), wedding items (22 Oct 2019)
D X-EXAM: Melanie Gibb & David Warwick at LVD’s that weekend; JJ & Tylee as witnesses to Charles’ death
S REDIRECT: No searches regarding divorce/separation

6 - NATHAN DUNCAN: STATE WITNESS, Chandler PD detective
Shooting of Charles Vallow (11 Jul 2019); email, phone, and text records; patriarchal blessing (24 Nov 2019)
D X-EXAM: possession, dark/light, church of firstborn, frequencies, death percentages, multiple probations; AC died of natural causes
S: REDIRECT: witness recommended charges for CD in Charles’ death

7 - MARK SAARI: STATE WITNESS: Social Security Administration special agent
[JAN 2020] Tylee’s survivor benefits from Joe Ryan = $1859/mo; JJ’s survivor benefits from his father = $1951/mo
D X-EXAM: CD not on any SS documents, not responsible for that

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DAY5: W APR 17, 2024 (video)

8 - CHUCK KUNSAITIS: STATE WITNESS, Rexburg PD detective
search warrants for apartment, storage unit, PO Box, financial documents (Nov 2019); travel documents
D X-EXAM: CD’s business travel; CD not implicated in Charles’ death; CD & LVD did not co-mingle money
S REDIRECT: CD was married to LVD when she received SS funds

9a - MICHAEL DOUGLASS: STATE WITNESS, FBI forensic accountant
Tylee’s financial timeline

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DAY6: R APR 18, 2024 (video)

9b - MICHAEL DOUGLASS: STATE WITNESS, FBI forensic accountant
Tylee’s financial timeline; JJ’s financial timeline; CD money transfers to children after arrest
D X-EXAM: burner phones; life insurance timing

10a - MELANIE GIBB: STATE WITNESS, friend of LVD & CD
CD’s books; multiple probations; LVD’s & AC’s “missions”; dark & light ratings; “castings”; recording of phone call to CD & LVD; “zombies”
D X-EXAM: shared beliefs; media interviews; texts w Rob Wood; events of 22 Sep 2019 weekend

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DAY 7: F APR 19, 2024 (video)

10b - MELANIE GIBB: STATE WITNESS, friend of LVD & CD
D X-EXAM: shared beliefs; visit to Rexburg
S REDIRECT: “translated beings”; CD’s visions
D RECROSS: castings

11a - DOUG HART: STATE WITNESS, retired FBI agent
iCloud accounts w texts; “James & Elena” story

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DAY 8: M APR 22, 2024 (video)

11b - DOUG HART: STATE WITNESS, retired FBI agent
Charles’ beneficiary change; “angels are angry” that LVD was ignoring CD
D X-EXAM: nicknames; creative license in James & Elena story
S REDIRECT: “telestial relatives”

12 - SYDNEY WOODBURY SCHENK: STATE WITNESS, JJ’s babysitter
LVD told her that Charles died of heart attack, that Tylee was living in town
D X-EXAM: JJ’s tantrums

13 - DR JOSH WILSON: STATE WITNESS, Kennedy Elementary principal, JJ’s principal in Rexburg
JJ’s school attendance in Rexburg (3-21 Sep 2019)
D X-EXAM: CD never mentioned

14 - WYNN HILL: STATE WITNESS, BYU-I Dean
No record of Tylee’s application, enrollment
D X-EXAM: CD never mentioned

15 - COLBY RYAN: STATE WITNESS, son of LVD
LVD initially told him Charles died of heart attack; LVD’s move to Rexburg
D X-EXAM: LVD’s lies
S REDIRECT: believe LVD was influenced by CD
D RECROSS: CD never mentioned

16a - DAVID WARWICK; STATE WITNESS, friend of LVD and husband of Melanie Gibb
Visits w LVD & CD
D X-EXAM: relationship w Melanie Gibb; shared beliefs

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DAY 9: T APR 23, 2024 (video)

16b - DAVID WARWICK; STATE WITNESS, friend of LVD and husband of Melanie Gibb
D X-EXAM: descriptors of CD; seances; “seven gatherers”; CD & MG’s marriage
S REDIRECT: CD’s character
D RECROSS: CD’s prediction about TD

17 - BRANDON BOUDREAUX: STATE WITNESS, ex-husb of LVD’s niece
LVD’s family; Melani B’s involvement w LVD; being shot at from Jeep (2 Oct 2019); IDing JJ (11 Jun 2019)
D X-EXAM: temple visits; light/dark spirits & visions

18 - RYAN PILLAR: STATE WITNESS, Gilbert PD officer
Brandon B’s shooting
D X-EXAM: AC is primary focus

19 - COLTER CANNON: STATE WITNESS, Fremont Co PD deputy
Tammy’s shooting & 911 call
D X-EXAM: bodycam; paintball gun vs “gun”
S REDIRECT: no bodycam requirements; “gun”

20 - ALYSSA GREENHALGH: STATE WITNESS, Rexburg PD officer (1)
Garth & CD’s 911 call & Tammy’s unattended death (19 Oct 2019) - pink foam, postmortem photos
D X-EXAM: “old” bruises on TD’s arms; TD’s medications; no signs of struggle, no foul play
S REDIRECT: no bodycam requirements; all medical info given by CD

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DAY 10: W APR 24, 2024 (video)

21 - BRENDA DYE: STATE WITNESS, Fremont Co EMT, coroner (1, 2)
TD’s death (19 Oct 2019) & autopsy (11 Dec 2019)
D X-EXAM: death certificate; “old” bruises; informing family of TD’s exhumation
S REDIRECT: CD providing info; bruising; autopsy
D RECROSS: supplements

22 - KELSIE HARRIS: STATE WITNESS, TD’s coworker and clogging instructor (1)
TD very active in fitness classes
D X-EXAM: TD’s fitness; Emma’s presence in fitness classes
S REDIRECT: confidence in assessment

23 - SHANNA MILLER: STATE WITNESS, TD’s coworker and workout buddy (1)
TD very active in fitness classes
D X-EXAM: TD’s fitness, Emma’s presence in fitness classes

24 - JENNIFER GEISLER - STATE WITNESS, TD’s coworker, friend, workout buddy (1)
TD very active, seemed healthy & happy
D X-EXAM: Emma’s presence in fitness classes
S REDIRECT: intensity of classes, healthy lunches

25 - BRUCE MATTINGLY: STATE WITNESS, Fremont Co Sheriff detective (1, 2)
TD’s health; life insurance; FitBit info
D X-EXAM: no contact with CD’s children; TD’s FitBit
S REDIRECT: CD’s children unwilling to speak to LE; FitBit in photos

2b - VINCE KAAIAKAMANU: STATE WITNESS, Fremont Co Sheriff detective (2)
Joe Murray & TD’s 911 calls after paintball incident

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DAY 11: Th APR 25, 2024 (video)

2c - VINCE KAAIAKAMANU: STATE WITNESS, Fremont Co Sheriff detective (3, 4, 5)
AC’s google searches, gun range practice around time of TD’s shooting; TD’s email to her son Mark about the shooting (13 Oct 2019); AC’s GPS locations
D X-EXAM: paintball gun vs “gun”; AC’s guns; Daybell family emails w dark & light ratings
S REDIRECT: theft of neighbor’s dog; paintball guns
D RECROSS: close-range rifles

26 - SPENCER COOK: STATE WITNESS, Sugar Salem School District technology director (1)
TD’s school emails

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DAY 12: F APR 26, 2024 (video)

27 - STEVEN SCHULTZ: STATE WITNESS, Springfield funeral director and CD’s neighbor (1)
TD’s funeral; "I actually turned to Jason, and I said, 'Do you think he killed her?'"
D X-EXAM: opinion of CD; nothing of concern on TD’s body; sextons dig with backhoes
S REDIRECT: opinion of CD; rushed funeral
D RECROSS: familiarity with death

28 - RON ARNOLD: STATE WITNESS, realtor, member of Daybells’ Rexburg ward (1, 2)
Real estate showing w CD, AC, Melanie Gibb, David Warwick (21 Sep 2019); visiting CD after TD’s death (19 Oct 2019); meeting LVD (Nov 2019); visit w CD after LVD’s arrest - CD said kids were okay (Mar 2020)
D X-EXAM: real estate showing on Sabbath; acreage of Daybell property “You own it”
S REDIRECT: manufactured home to be moved onto property

29 - WHITNEY ARNOLD: STATE WITNESS, member of Daybells’ Rexburg ward, TD’s friend (1)
TD’s death (19 Oct 2019); meeting LVD (Nov 2019)

30 - CRAIG HOUGH: STATE WITNESS, member of Daybells’ Springville ward (1)
TD’s funeral - CD said she “choked to death”; CD had just “miraculously” gotten passwords (Oct 2019)
D X-EXAM: CD’s role as bishopric secretary; CD’s grief seemed genuine
S REDIRECT: CD’s quick remarriage

31 - RICH GARDNER: STATE WITNESS, Central Elementary School principal (1)
TD healthy & active, 5k race (7 Sep 2019); visiting Daybells after TD’s death (19 Oct 2019); TD’s Rexburg memorial
D X-EXAM: TD & Emma’s closeness
S REDIRECT: 5k race

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DAY 13: M APR 29, 2024 (video)

32 - NICK BALLANCE: STATE WITNESS, FBI (1, 2)
Cell phone location ‘pings’ (Sep-Oct 2019)
D X-EXAM: drive test; MG & DW’s locations were not examined
S REDIRECT: geolocation

33 - HANNAH PARKER MUNOZ: STATE WITNESS, family friend/relative in Springville (1)
CD said that he found TD on the floor at 1am when he went up to bed; later says he went to bed w her but she rolled off at midnight
D X-EXAM: layout of home

34 - PATRICIA LATER: STATE WITNESS, Tammy’s cousin & friend (1)
CD said TD went to bed around 10a but he stayed up late working; CD called Tammy lazy
D X-EXAM: no communication between witness & TD in past year (witness denies)

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DAY 14: W MAY 1, 2024 (video)

35 - DR ERIK CHRISTENSEN: STATE WITNESS, Utah chief medical examiner (1, 2)
Tammy’s cause of death = asphyxia (unable to get enough oxygen); manner of death = homicide (another person caused it); bruising on Tammy’s body; time of death = 1-6hr prior to 911 call
D X-EXAM: bruising ointments; five manner of death options; seizures; anemia
S REDIRECT: if Daybell children had spoken with LE about TD’s health, medical officer would have received those records; TD’s anemia
D RECROSS: dates of anemia records

36 - ALICE GILBERT: STATE WITNESS, TD’s neighbor & fellow Rexburg church member (1, 2)
Relief Society with Tammy; funeral; visiting Daybells after TD’s death; CD moving out within a week of TD’s death; LVD said she’d recently lost a daughter; CD said JJ & Tylee’s disappearance was “custody issue”; asked them to put house up for LVD’s bond
D X-EXAM: home layout, where Daybell kids were living
S REDIRECT: home layout

37 - TODD GILBERT: STATE WITNESS, TD’s neighbor & fellow Rexburg church member (1)
CD’s books didn’t always align w LDS doctrine; CD “prophesied” TD’s death but didn’t tell his own kids; CD said that LVD had a daughter who’d just died; CD said he’d seen TD’s spirit after her death; CD asking for bond
D X-EXAM: home layout, Preparing a People/AVOW
S REDIRECT: CD & LVD’s affair would disqualify them from temple recommend

38 - JANICE OLSON: STATE WITNESS, TD’s coworker & workout buddy (1)
TD healthy in last days
D X-EXAM: students walked to library; TD was busy preparing for book fair that Friday
S REDIRECT: school layout, how much TD walked

39 - TAYLOR BALLARD: STATE WITNESS, insurance broker (1)
CD inquiring about health insur after TD’s death for himself +Seth, Leah, Mark (31 Oct 2019); his income after TD’s death at a loss, but he was making ~$30k profit; asked about adding a future hypothetical wife even though he was already married (21 Nov 2019); paid for plan (11 Dec 2019)
D X-EXAM: open enrollment

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DAY 15: Th MAY 2, 2024 (video)

40 - KAY WOODCOCK: STATE WITNESS, grandmother of JJ
CV’s life insurance; JJ’s disappearance; LVD’s wedding purchases on CV’s Amazon acct
D X-EXAM: life insurance beneficiary changes; Amazon purchased done by LVD
S RECROSS: clarify date of Amazon searches

41 - ANGELA YANCY: STATE WITNESS, Salem Sugar School District admin
TD’s life insurance policy w increases (8 Sep 2019); CD filing claim - 8 death certificates (21 Oct 2019)
D X-EXAM: death certificates; Daybell financial situation
S RECROSS: recalling specific situation bc of traumatic events

42 - SHEILA DAYBELL: STATE WITNESS, CD’s mother
TD healthy before her death; meeting LVD - LVD said CV died of heart attack, said daughter had died (13 Nov 2019); didn’t know where CD was living
D X-EXAM: LVD provided info about her family; CD’s character
S REDIRECT: not common in LDS faith to remarry two weeks after spouse’s death

43 - HEATHER DAYBELL: STATE WITNESS, CD’s sister-in-law
CD predicted an earthquake in UT in 2015; CD moved to Rexburg bc of end times beliefs; CD tried to recruit her son (2014); photos of Daybell residence & “cozy cone”; TD’s death & funeral; letter to Relief Society presidents
D X-EXAM: CD’s leadership in church; AVOW; letter to Relief Society presidents; CD’s father called her “pot-stirrer”
S REDIRECT: affair would be cause for church discipline; CD’s “close” relationship with Julie Rowe

44a - DAVE STUBBS: STATE WITNESS, Rexburg PD
Welfare check body cams (26 Nov 2019)

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DAY 16: F MAY 3, 2024 (video)

45b - DAVE STUBBS: STATE WITNESS, Rexburg PD
Apartment warrant body cam (27 Nov 2019); electronic records, wedding photos
D X-EXAM: UTC; looking into Melanie Gibb
S REDIRECT: Melanie Gibb & David Warwick not on geofence

46a - STEVE DANIELS: STATE WITNESS, FBI Evidence Response Team
Daybell property fire pit & pet cemetery, barn & tools

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DAY 17: M MAY 6, 2024 (video)

46b - STEVE DANIELS: STATE WITNESS, FBI Evidence Response Team
Discovery of JJ’s remains
D X-EXAM: AC’s apartment search; residents at Daybell property; photos of tools show they were moved
S REDIRECT: handling of tools

47 - MELANIE PAWLOWSKI: STATE WITNESS, LVD’s niece
Shared beliefs - pendulum, castings (took Julie Rowe’s ideas and added to them); CV’s death; trip to HI (Oct 2019)
D X-EXAM: 2018 PAP conference; communication w CD through LVD; shared beliefs - casting, energy work, vibrations
S REDIRECT: CD & LVD elaborating on LDS teachings

48 - IAN PAWLOWSKI: STATE WITNESS, LVD’s niece’s husband
Phone calls w CD & LVD about fleeing from “dark” LE, blessing (Dec 2019)
D X-EXAM: when MG went to LE; LDS beliefs - Cain, castings, kingdoms
S REDIRECT: LE “dark” for looking for missing kids

 

[nodamselindistress]

Thought IP was a good witness, he explained alot about the LDS faith that others have not.

 

[indicolite22]

Did MB/P, IP, MG, ZP etc just ignore the thought the children were dead? Was it REALLY not until the bodies were found the lights finally come on in their dark minds??

I find this impossible.

jmo

Both MG and IP went to police in early December 2019. The children's bodies were found in June 2020.

 

[Ruminations]

What bedroom did Tammy die in (assuming she did factually die in the bedroom and was not simply moved there)? Why is this back structure that apparently lacks electricity and heating so important?

It does not lack electricity. It is part of the house.

Tammy was in a downstairs bedroom when the coroner came.

MOO

 

[fred&edna]

Both MG and IP went to police in early December 2019. The children's bodies were found in June 2020.

True, but not without previous questioning/contact by LE. jmo

 

[Ruminations]

WOW. I haven't had a chance to listen this morning. This is just silly. Embarrassing.

This has been the most stunning day of testimony so far IMO. And there have been some VERY stunning days.

Buckle up before watching the replay.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

So, they were laughing about Alex's death (as he was off on his new jobs in heaven) THEN they bless the new warrior IAN?! Hmmm

Yeah- no wonder Ian is off religion these days. It's doesn't end well for the warriors.

MOO

 

[alexwood]

Well, she definitely turned the wrong way with CD. It seemed like Tammy was the one working in that family.

I wonder if CD was running up the credit cards with LVD?

Yes, but all that life insurance money from Tammy's death ($430,000)!

 

[indicolite22]

Do we have a theory on how Tylee's silver charm and necklace got lost on Chad's property close to the fire pit? Did it have any signs of being burned? Did they take Tylee's clothes and jewelry off before putting her body on the bonfire, then picked up the clothes but left the charm/necklace behind?

 

[alexwood]

This has been the most stunning day of testimony so far IMO. And there have been some VERY stunning days.

Buckle up before watching the replay.

MOO

I'll have to watch replay as I came in towards the end of the Court's "day."

 

[Ruminations]

Do we have a theory on how Tylee's silver charm and necklace got lost on Chad's property close to the fire pit? Did it have any signs of being burned? Did they take Tylee's clothes and jewelry off before putting her body on the bonfire, then picked up the clothes but left the charm/necklace behind?

I like to reassure myself with this thought-

She knew she was being murdered. She left a clue on purpose.

She was such a smart, good person.



MOO

 

[Ruminations]

RSBM
BBM

I'm thinking the same thing. Chad derives his power by convincing others that he possesses special magical knowledge.

Knowing Chad, he probably told JP he was one of the Seven Gatherers and that defending Chad successfully would elevate JP to some special holy honor.

Prior was like:

"Yeah, thanks. I'll take the murder house, too."

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

IF Garth is involved in a cover-up, then I agree that it's likely that Chad asked him to delay calling 911. Apart from some wild cult-related justification I don't see why this would be a good idea. If Garth came home soon after Alex left, rigor mortis would have not set in yet. That's even more reason to try to call for help, not knowing when it happened.

Chad claiming that him pulling on the covers made Tammy roll off the bed might have worked if she was lying on the covers, somewhat near the edge of the bed. But Chad told a witness that he woke up when the covers got pulled off of him. That is the opposite of him pulling. He also told other people that Tammy often slept with her legs hanging over the edge of the bed. How did she end up on the floor on her back with legs still on the bed?

It could be wrong if Garth knows he was talked into delaying the 911 call and never told LE.

But in the universe of several murders, attempts, deadly indoctrination, and with the thought that Tammy was the last murder in this series and it is quite likely that it took a great deal of time for Garth to conclude it was a murder, if indeed he believes this, the wrong doing pales in comparison. It would be covering up for delaying picking up a person dead of natural causes, which probably isn't a crime. I don't know that delaying calling 911 about a natural death is a crime (just really 'weird), never mind covering up the delay.

So I'd give Garth a pass if that was what he thought he was doing.

And, of course, for all I know, Garth could have told LE in detail what he observed surrounding Tammy's death. Maybe LE doesn't need my theory because they have the truth from Garth.

Today it became clear that Ian shared far more than we knew.


MOO

 

[wnk]

As I mentioned earlier, I wanted to take a look at the evolution of the narrative surrounding TD's death on 18-19 Oct 2019. Rather than re-watching all the testimony, I went back through East Idaho News' Live Updates for various witnesses, so if I've missed something, let me know!

Singling out the witnesses who had information from CD about what happened to TD on that evening/morning, here's what I've found.

In Row 1 are the witnesses, in order of when they heard CD's narrative.
BLUE = officials who did not know TD
PURPLE = locals who did know TD well
GREEN = friends/relatives from Springville, who may not have seen TD in awhile

In Row 2 are the dates/times when they received information from CD, color-coded by day.

The next section are the most common story elements that were consistent. Those details I color-coded by the general time they were said to take place. Someone may not necessarily remember an exact time when something happened, but you would expect them to remember whether it was BEFORE going to bed (GRAY), AFTER going to bed (WHITE), or when they woke up in the morning (YELLOW)

The next section is what the witnesses -- after talking with CD -- believed the cause of death to be

And the final section just highlights some of the additional "pre-existing" symptoms that CD claimed TD was suffering from. (Emma provided the info that TD was "slowing down," thus the little comment marker in the corner of those cells)



Some observations:
- TD's coughing and vomiting gradually get pushed back, from the "middle of the night," to when she went to bed, to earlier that day. The "official" story told to the coroner has her vomiting 2.5hrs later than the story told a few days later at the viewing.
- While the terms "pulmonary oedema" and "pulmonary ebolism" could simply have been mis-remembered (either by CD himself or by the witnesses), the fact that he told two people that TD had choked to death seems very odd, especially now that we know her cause of death was asphyxia.

Question:
- Have we heard from anyone besides Prior that Garth brought Tammy some fast food that evening? I feel like he might have just thrown that in there to muddy the waters, but I feel like that would actually hurt rather than help CD's case; after all, who feels like eating McDonald's when they're sick? Not to mention, it throws out there the question of when Garth came home and whether he saw Tammy before bed.

 

[Love Never Fails]

It could be wrong if Garth knows he was talked into delaying the 911 call and never told LE.

But in the universe of several murders, attempts, deadly indoctrination, and with the thought that Tammy was the last murder in this series and it is quite likely that it took a great deal of time for Garth to conclude it was a murder, if indeed he believes this, the wrong doing pales in comparison. It would be covering up for delaying picking up a person dead of natural causes, which probably isn't a crime. I don't know that delaying calling 911 about a natural death is a crime (just really 'weird), never mind covering up the delay.

So I'd give Garth a pass if that was what he thought he was doing.

And, of course, for all I know, Garth could have told LE in detail what he observed surrounding Tammy's death. Maybe LE doesn't need my theory because they have the truth from Garth.

Today it became clear that Ian shared far more than we knew.


MOO

I just can’t get over that people are giving Chads kids a pass for this, for that, for anything. They are all adults.

 

[wnk]

More drama!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1787596085147668658

 

[alexwood]

I guess we will never know the truth. They said they used a dating website.

If I recall correctly, Ian Pawlowski lived in the same complex with LV and the rest of the "Clan/Cult". I don't know whether I am remembering this correctly (or the evil being inhabiting my body is making it up).

 

[alexwood]

It does not lack electricity. It is part of the house.

Tammy was in a downstairs bedroom when the coroner came.

MOO

The structure lacks an HVAC system. It does have electricity, so portable heaters could be used. Don't know about water/plumbing.

 

[Snoopster]

Wow. That call that Ian P recorded....with Chad giving them (MBP & IP) instructions to move to avoid LE, is a clincher.

I can't imagine how a jury couldn't convict Chad based on the following 5 key points:

1) kids found on property
2) Chad's text re raccoon (has this come in yet in this trial?) - shows he knew and was justifying activity
3) Chad's multiple versions of Tammy's death
4) Chad determined who was dark
5) Ian P's recording showing that Chad wasn't just Lori's puppet, but actually giving instructions. He was not a dupe.

Of course there is so much more evidence (that isn't even needed):
- Chad's 'premonition' of Tammy's early demise
- Chad and Lori marrying within 2 weeks of his wife's death
- Chad's strange behavior during Tammy's funeral
- the rushed funeral
- Tammy having to call 911 to say she was shot at (Chad didn't call)
- etc., etc., etc.

 

[887sMtreme]

Did she specify what pets they were? I’m pretty sure they had ducks and chickens. Farm birds are very hardy yet at the same time can die very easily…it’s weird, but mostly because it can be difficult to treat their injuries and illnesses. Predation is also a problem. We buried every bird that died, whether they were a treasured hen that died of old age, a chick that wasn’t able to hatch in time, or a duck that was mauled by a dog. I'm not sure it's fair to say they went through pets like garbage, but I don't know.

Source: we had chickens for years and for a short period, ducks. Lots of bad things happened despite out best efforts. Somebody actually stole our ducks.

People are really side-eyeing Emma in comments elsewhere lately...not sure what I think.

There was no evidence on that property (that I saw, anyway) indicating fowl kept for eggs, as pets or whatever: no coops, no runs, no big shade tree littered with "leavings" on the ground underneath. No sign of other livestock, either. I don't think those "pets" were farm-related. It's a source of clues to family dysfunction yet to be explored as far as I'm concerned.