TX TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, Midlothian, 18 Apr 2016 #49

[lonewanderer]

IF the car plus driver in the SWFA parking lot was connected, what we don't know, then maybe he was the get-away-driver. And maybe, he had some snacks for the SP.

Snacks, cigs, booze. Could have been any of that after an adrenaline pumping activity like that.

 

[lonewanderer]

I can see it. The assumption the person in the church could have chosen to get away isn't a given because it is possible MB was not going to LET anyone get away. ?

I can't imagine being in Missy's situation (being her or anyone else) and wanting to try and stop some person dressed up as a SWAT person at 430 am in a church when I was alone.

I think most people in her situation would immediately know something was not quite right.

There is some speculation that the person chose POLICE outfit in order to try and get Missy to comply. I think if that was the case, the only person who mustered up that logic was the person wearing the outfit.

Me personally, I think it would take me a minute to comprehend exactly what I was looking at. My next action (if I was Missy here) may be to make a full on sprint for the gun in my car.

Either ways, I can't imagine many people trying to take this person down or stop them from leaving.

That's just me though, IMO.

 

[AnonymousSeesYOU]

I've often wondered if Swat Perp went to a diner for breakfast to watch the cluster of LE responding to the church.
Or just observed from a parking lot somewhere in view of the church.

Wow. I’ve rather thought they were in a meltdown/panic flight mode. But maybe.

 

[lonewanderer]

Wow. I’ve rather thought they were in a meltdown/panic flight mode. But maybe.

I think it just depends on how it happened.

If this was an accident/random, I could seem them in full on panic mode "Oh f, oh f, OH F WHAT HAVE I DONE! F F F I have to get rid of this NOW!!!"

If they were there for a thrill kill and Missy was just the unfortunate victim, I could see them beyond euphoric and adrenaline pumping like crazy.

If they were there to murder Missy for a benefit to themselves or someone else, I could see them casually having a self-satisfying breakfast and soaking in the satisfaction, nice and smug.

 

[lonewanderer]

Tomorrow, I will take a look at a case similar to Missy's and post some comparisons/differences.

A Toys R Us assistant manager was murdered inside the store at roughly 4:30 am with his murdered seen on CCTV with dark clothing and a large knife in hand, that is the gist of it.

The murderer was identified, and part of his story was that the victim allegedly recognized him after lifting up his mask. I will cover similarities, differences, and potential motivations that are still debated in this case.

This case, too, is debated on pre-meditated murder or not.

A comparison:

Bare bones of the story: It was June 2013. Around 4:30 am at a Toys R Us location, the victim named Larry Wells and his 3 coworkers noticed the badge activated door at the store was still opened. They did not put too much stock into it and carried out their morning routine. Moments later, the victim is found in an office with what appeared to be gunshot wounds (that were later confirmed to be large stab wounds). Someone dressed in dark clothing was seen walking around the store on CCTV footage. No one could name a single person who would want to harm this man, he was well liked and by all accounts, extremely kind and thoughtful.

Some similarities:

Similar - Perp was dressed in dark clothing, seen on CCTV in the building before the victim arrived.

Similar - The victim was thought to have been shot at first. The victim was actually stabbed multiple times in the chest.

Similar - It appears the suspect was able to leave quickly without being seen or noticed fleeing


Some differences:

Different - The perp was moving with a purpose, trying to avoid beeing seen on camera

Different - The killer was walking around with large knife visibly seen in hand on CCTV

Different- There was no debate on the killers gender (I find there is less debate on this when the crime is a male victim. Many female victim cases are debated about the gender of the concealed identity murderer. Missy's case, Liz Baraza, the Florence Salon murders, Tinley Park Lane Bryant shooting and another case VERY similar to Missy's that I cannot remeber the name of the victim ATM).


Not exactly different but not exactly the same. Just a few things to think about with contrasts in the cases:

The Toys R Us murderer's plan was to pretend to fumble around at the entrance to be seen on CCTV in an attempt to give the illusion they were not familiar with the building.

The other 3 employees ran out of the building (assuming he suffered a gunshot) concerned they may be next.

The CCTV just so happened to not catch any of the footage from the office the victim was murdered in.

*Interesting note - To my knowledge, no phone data was obtained to place the killer at the scene.


Suspects and suspicion - DNA was taken from CCTV cables that were pulled in the office the victim was found in, along with a distinct college football championshit hat. The DNA matched on both items, confirming it was the same person. The other 3 workers were questioned and their DNA was taken. One of the workers acted really anxious, and one of the workers acted extremely suspicious and refused to talk. DNA was taken from dozens of people and all of them were cleared.

Breakthrough - The police realized there was one person that had not obtained DNA from. Throughout the investigation, the loss prevention specialist who was extremely close with the victim, provided the police with an immense amount of help. This person was alleged to have burst into tears about the victim's murder and wanted to help the police catch who did this to his friend, and the man he personally hired. The loss provention officer avoided giving DNA and blatanly lied about a conference he was attending in order to continue avoiding it. Alas, the DNA matched him.

Murderers explanation for DNA - The murderer claimed he worked with CCTV cables all of the time, and that the hat must have had touch DNA.

Murders motivation and account of what lead to the violence - The murderer was having severe financial and marriage problems. According to him, he was not there to harm anyone and the plan was to demand the safe in the office be opened (This is highly debated, as the man had a large knife out walking through the building WAY before he saw anyone). The murderer claims that the victim lunged at him, and recognized him after his mask was lifted in the scuffle, which lead to the hat being knocked off his head and left behind.

Couple of links for this story if you would like to know more: A Baseball Hat Leads Authorities To Man Who Brutally Murdered Beloved Toys ‘R’ Us Manager | Oxygen Official Site Toys R Us Manager Denies Killing Employee Before Consoling Staff

 

[AnonymousSeesYOU]

A comparison:

Bare bones of the story: It was June 2013. Around 4:30 am at a Toys R Us location, the victim named Larry Wells and his 3 coworkers noticed the badge activated door at the store was still opened. They did not put too much stock into it and carried out their morning routine. Moments later, the victim is found in an office with what appeared to be gunshot wounds (that were later confirmed to be large stab wounds). Someone dressed in dark clothing was seen walking around the store on CCTV footage. No one could name a single person who would want to harm this man, he was well liked and by all accounts, extremely kind and thoughtful.

Some similarities:

Similar - Perp was dressed in dark clothing, seen on CCTV in the building before the victim arrived.

Similar - The victim was thought to have been shot at first. The victim was actually stabbed multiple times in the chest.

Similar - It appears the suspect was able to leave quickly without being seen or noticed fleeing


Some differences:

Different - The perp was moving with a purpose, trying to avoid beeing seen on camera

Different - The killer was walking around with large knife visibly seen in hand on CCTV

Different- There was no debate on the killers gender (I find there is less debate on this when the crime is a male victim. Many female victim cases are debated about the gender of the concealed identity murderer. Missy's case, Liz Baraza, the Florence Salon murders, Tinley Park Lane Bryant shooting and another case VERY similar to Missy's that I cannot remeber the name of the victim ATM).


Not exactly different but not exactly the same. Just a few things to think about with contrasts in the cases:

The Toys R Us murderer's plan was to pretend to fumble around at the entrance to be seen on CCTV in an attempt to give the illusion they were not familiar with the building.

The other 3 employees ran out of the building (assuming he suffered a gunshot) concerned they may be next.

The CCTV just so happened to not catch any of the footage from the office the victim was murdered in.

*Interesting note - To my knowledge, no phone data was obtained to place the killer at the scene.


Suspects and suspicion - DNA was taken from CCTV cables that were pulled in the office the victim was found in, along with a distinct college football championshit hat. The DNA matched on both items, confirming it was the same person. The other 3 workers were questioned and their DNA was taken. One of the workers acted really anxious, and one of the workers acted extremely suspicious and refused to talk. DNA was taken from dozens of people and all of them were cleared.

Breakthrough - The police realized there was one person that had not obtained DNA from. Throughout the investigation, the loss prevention specialist who was extremely close with the victim, provided the police with an immense amount of help. This person was alleged to have burst into tears about the victim's murder and wanted to help the police catch who did this to his friend, and the man he personally hired. The loss provention officer avoided giving DNA and blatanly lied about a conference he was attending in order to continue avoiding it. Alas, the DNA matched him.

Murderers explanation for DNA - The murderer claimed he worked with CCTV cables all of the time, and that the hat must have had touch DNA.

Murders motivation and account of what lead to the violence - The murderer was having severe financial and marriage problems. According to him, he was not there to harm anyone and the plan was to demand the safe in the office be opened (This is highly debated, as the man had a large knife out walking through the building WAY before he saw anyone). The murderer claims that the victim lunged at him, and recognized him after his mask was lifted in the scuffle, which lead to the hat being knocked off his head and left behind.

Couple of links for this story if you would like to know more: A Baseball Hat Leads Authorities To Man Who Brutally Murdered Beloved Toys ‘R’ Us Manager | Oxygen Official Site Toys R Us Manager Denies Killing Employee Before Consoling Staff

This person, Toys R Us, seems to have left a rather broad trail for investigators to follow, once they got his DNA, which he resisted providing. But once they got it, it all unfolded before them. Right? That was the fulcrum that upturned the case. What I fear here is given the full coverage clothing, the once reported “partial mixed sample of DNA” it might be too minute/too mixed to sample. They might need a confession here.

 

[lonewanderer]

This person, Toys R Us, seems to have left a rather broad trail for investigators to follow, once they got his DNA, which he resisted providing. But once they got it, it all unfolded before them. Right? That was the fulcrum that upturned the case. What I fear here is given the full coverage clothing, the once reported “partial mixed sample of DNA” it might be too minute/too mixed to sample. They might need a confession here.

Yea, DNA is typically most effective when a match is in a database already, or is obtained from a suspect that is highly likely to have committed the crime.

Hopefully one day it all crumbles down for who is responsible.

 

[lonewanderer]

One thing about this case too that is really impressive to me is how well the authorities have been able to keep information controlled.

This is a fairly well known case, as the CCTV footage is both bizarre and captivating.

Multiple people were there when Missy was found unresponsive and not a single word of that has been leaked or released publicly.

I am certain there is A LOT that we are not privy to. For instance, was the police bluff asking Brandon if he wanted to see Missy's attack a double bluff? Do they have that footage, or not? That's just one of the many things we do not know or are not privy to.

 

[AnonymousSeesYOU]

One thing about this case too that is really impressive to me is how well the authorities have been able to keep information controlled.

This is a fairly well known case, as the CCTV footage is both bizarre and captivating.

Multiple people were there when Missy was found unresponsive and not a single word of that has been leaked or released publicly.

I am certain there is A LOT that we are not privy to. For instance, was the police bluff asking Brandon if he wanted to see Missy's attack a double bluff? Do they have that footage, or not? That's just one of the many things we do not know or are not privy to.

The YouTube Think Theo Bevers interviews are studies in grief.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

One thing about this case too that is really impressive to me is how well the authorities have been able to keep information controlled.

This is a fairly well known case, as the CCTV footage is both bizarre and captivating.

Multiple people were there when Missy was found unresponsive and not a single word of that has been leaked or released publicly.

I am certain there is A LOT that we are not privy to. For instance, was the police bluff asking Brandon if he wanted to see Missy's attack a double bluff? Do they have that footage, or not? That's just one of the many things we do not know or are not privy to.

"...how well the authorities have been able to keep information controlled."

IMO controlled because they just don't have anything.

If this was not a targeted attack, why kill Missy at all? Why not just say "Mornin Ma'am", exit the building and drive off? What's Missy going to do, seriously? Missy was killed because SP intended to, or would have been recognized and SP panicked.

I've always thought LE should have searched Joe Pool Lake where SP tossed the gear on their way to Mansfield or wherever. JMO

 

[lonewanderer]

"...how well the authorities have been able to keep information controlled."

IMO controlled because they just don't have anything.

If this was not a targeted attack, why kill Missy at all? Why not just say "Mornin Ma'am", exit the building and drive off? What's Missy going to do, seriously? Missy was killed because SP intended to, or would have been recognized and SP panicked.

I've always thought LE should have searched Joe Pool Lake where SP tossed the gear on their way to Mansfield or wherever. JMO

I am VERY vocal on my thoughts about the targeted vs not targeted theories, but honestly, it just seems to distract really bad and cause unnecessary arguments, so I will try to keep my focus on aspects we can all discuss without arguing that specific set of rabbit holes.

One could argue Missy was targeted, as there is ample evidence to suggest so. One could also argue that the intruder may have literally ran into Missy, super startling both of them, and one thing lead to another.

I mentioned the controlled aspect because more than one person was there when Missy was unresponsive, yet we have not seen or heard any leaks or rumors. Libby and Abby immediately come to mind with the leaked texts once the uncle unfortunately discovered their bodies (side note - there is another case almost completely identical to theirs that I mentioned a few years before Richard Allen was apprehended, I would have to do some digging but I could pull it up again if anyone is interested. Long story short, two young girls go missing on a long road, a massive search in the woods ensues, one of their uncles finds stumbles across the scene, turns out it was a fairly random guy who picked up the girls)

 

[nightowl1975]

Completely random, but over the past week, I was traveling and happened upon several people who are from this town. Immediately, without thinking, I said something along the lines of “oh, that’s where the lady was killed…” and before I could get anything else out, they all knew exactly what/who I was talking about. It was…. an interesting conversation after that. Locals definitely have their opinions on who did it, that’s for sure.

 

[CrimeTheorist]

I watched Derrick Levasseur's new video on Missy's case and a couple of things stood out to me. I'm not sure how accurate he is but he said that the hammer was found inside of the church and wasn't brought in by the suspect? I had never heard that before. The other thing is he believes she was killed with the hammer and not shot. I feel like we've never even really been told what was used to killed her. The police described it as an attack with a weapon that caused puncture wounds, which isn't how you would describe someone that died from being shot, but I think it was apparently listed as a death by use of a gun somewhere on the internet if I remember correctly.

 

[lonewanderer]

I watched Derrick Levasseur's new video on Missy's case and a couple of things stood out to me. I'm not sure how accurate he is but he said that the hammer was found inside of the church and wasn't brought in by the suspect? I had never heard that before. The other thing is he believes she was killed with the hammer and not shot. I feel like we've never even really been told what was used to killed her. The police described it as an attack with a weapon that caused puncture wounds, which isn't how you would describe someone that died from being shot, but I think it was apparently listed as a death by use of a gun somewhere on the internet if I remember correctly.

When Stephen Pacheco covered this case on Trace Evidence Podcast a few years ago, he mentions a “mystery object” that the police didn’t make public, planning to use this object to confront the killer later.

What that object is or where that information was obtained, I’m unsure. He’s very thorough with his investigations and information.

 

[lonewanderer]

Completely random, but over the past week, I was traveling and happened upon several people who are from this town. Immediately, without thinking, I said something along the lines of “oh, that’s where the lady was killed…” and before I could get anything else out, they all knew exactly what/who I was talking about. It was…. an interesting conversation after that. Locals definitely have their opinions on who did it, that’s for sure.

Was it consistently the same opinion, or did it vary a lot from person to person?

I don’t usually put TOO much stock into local opinion, just thinking about the Steven Avery case as it was extremely polarizing for the locals who all seemed to have very strong opinions and beliefs.

I am curious about the consistency you heard, though.

 

[nightowl1975]

Was it consistently the same opinion, or did it vary a lot from person to person?

I don’t usually put TOO much stock into local opinion, just thinking about the Steven Avery case as it was extremely polarizing for the locals who all seemed to have very strong opinions and beliefs.

I am curious about the consistency you heard, though.

Specific and consistent among all of them.

 

[lonewanderer]

I watched Derrick Levasseur's new video on Missy's case and a couple of things stood out to me. I'm not sure how accurate he is but he said that the hammer was found inside of the church and wasn't brought in by the suspect? I had never heard that before. The other thing is he believes she was killed with the hammer and not shot. I feel like we've never even really been told what was used to killed her. The police described it as an attack with a weapon that caused puncture wounds, which isn't how you would describe someone that died from being shot, but I think it was apparently listed as a death by use of a gun somewhere on the internet if I remember correctly.

I have wondered exactly what constitutes as gun violence. Do harpoons and crossbows count? Someone posted the answer to this years ago and it made it sound like it was specifically gunpowder and bullets involved. There have been a few cases of homemade/improvised firearms and rifles before.

There is also not shortages of cases where the stab wounds were so bad, it was assumed the victim was shot at first.

One other theory is that the perp used one of his tools to (at least attempt to) remove the bullets from Missy, causing confusion about the existence of puncture wounds.

I believe it was LordonArts who used a case search feature circa 2018 or so and it narrowed down to Missy's specific age and exact date of death, not naming her by name but stating the victim was female and died from a gunshot wound. Many posters have claimed this as gospel, but I have never personally seen a link for this information and anyone that brings it up evades posting any evidence of their findings. I don't discount it, but I would like to check it out for myself.

 

[DeDee]

I watched Derrick Levasseur's new video on Missy's case and a couple of things stood out to me. I'm not sure how accurate he is but he said that the hammer was found inside of the church and wasn't brought in by the suspect? I had never heard that before. The other thing is he believes she was killed with the hammer and not shot. I feel like we've never even really been told what was used to killed her. The police described it as an attack with a weapon that caused puncture wounds, which isn't how you would describe someone that died from being shot, but I think it was apparently listed as a death by use of a gun somewhere on the internet if I remember correctly.

Interestingly, LEO sent a bomb detecting K9 to sniff around the exterior of the Church. The K9 sniffs for explosive devices, etc. It is possible that, in an attempt to disfigure Missy, both weapons were used: punctured by gunshot and with the hammer for devious measure.

A gunshot wound is a penetrating wound or a puncture wound. It is also a traumatic wound.

The killer removes the hammer from within the first closet door opened in the main hallway. How did the killer know there'd be a hammer conveniently located inside that closet?

Cued at 0:28, SP comes out with the big hammer swinging; not hiding it

 

[lonewanderer]

Interestingly, LEO sent a bomb detecting K9 to sniff around the exterior of the Church. The K9 sniffs for explosive devices, etc. It is possible that, in an attempt to disfigure Missy, both weapons were used: punctured by gunshot and with the hammer for devious measure.

The killer removes the hammer from within the first closet door opened in the main hallway. How did the killer know there'd be a hammer conveniently located inside that closet?

Cued at 0:28, SP comes out with the big hammer swinging; not hiding it

There is also a lot of confusion about the correct chronological order of this footage.

I am unsure if the perp with the hammer is the first segment, inbetween, last, etc.

 

[lonewanderer]

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