UID Victim: The Asian Male, UP9355, John Doe #8, poss. died 1996-2001, found Gilgo Beach Apr 2011

[SageRhiannon]

I submitted Edmond Tillman to Namus as a comparison today. I also submitted it to the SCPD tip line via gilgo news website.

My reasoning for Edmond being a good match.

Timeline:
Edmond goes missing 8/10/05
Asian Doe is found 4/4/11 but believed to have been deceased 5-10 years prior, placing date of death between 2001-2006
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Characteristics:
Edmond has similar features to the sketch provided by LE. Height & age is off slightly but based on estimates of Valerie Mack prior to being found, I think we can say that their estimates have been off in the past.

Muscoskeletal Gait:
Edmond is pigeon toed. According to everything I read on being pigeon toed, it will correct itself in most people. If you have it past the age of 10 (which Edmond appeared to have), it may need surgery. It is caused by Metatarsus adductus (feet bend inward from middle part of foot to toes), Tibial torsion (the tibia or lower leg twists inward) or Femoral anteversion (the neck of the femur is angled forward compared to the rest of the bone). I think it is possible he had Femoral anteversion, which corrects itself at a later date than the other 2 conditions & in Edmond, may not have corrected. This may be what Suffolk is calling a muscoskeletal gait.
Pigeon toe - Wikipedia

Clothing:
LE said they had heard Edmond cross dressed
Asian Doe found in women's clothing

Similarities to LISK:
• Edmond's mother found internet activity communicating with older men on Edmond's computer after his disappearance. LISK used the internet with the G4.
• Edmond's family received several phone calls after his disappearance asking if he had been found. LISK made taunting calls to Melissa's sister & others.
Brooklyn mom pleads for son’s return, 16 years after coming out to family and disappearing | PIX11

Speculation:
A friend saw Edmond on a train shortly after his disappearance with an older man. Did LISK lure him away via internet & Edmond went along willingly, not knowing he was with a serial killer?

 

[Rlnjkm]

I submitted Edmond Tillman to Namus as a comparison today. I also submitted it to the SCPD tip line via gilgo news website.

My reasoning for Edmond being a good match.

Timeline:
Edmond goes missing 8/10/05
Asian Doe is found 4/4/11 but believed to have been deceased 5-10 years prior, placing date of death between 2001-2006
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Characteristics:
Edmond has similar features to the sketch provided by LE. Height & age is off slightly but based on estimates of Valerie Mack prior to being found, I think we can say that their estimates have been off in the past.

Muscoskeletal Gait:
Edmond is pigeon toed. According to everything I read on being pigeon toed, it will correct itself in most people. If you have it past the age of 10 (which Edmond appeared to have), it may need surgery. It is caused by Metatarsus adductus (feet bend inward from middle part of foot to toes), Tibial torsion (the tibia or lower leg twists inward) or Femoral anteversion (the neck of the femur is angled forward compared to the rest of the bone). I think it is possible he had Femoral anteversion, which corrects itself at a later date than the other 2 conditions & in Edmond, may not have corrected. This may be what Suffolk is calling a muscoskeletal gait.
Pigeon toe - Wikipedia

Clothing:
LE said they had heard Edmond cross dressed
Asian Doe found in women's clothing

Similarities to LISK:
• Edmond's mother found internet activity communicating with older men on Edmond's computer after his disappearance. LISK used the internet with the G4.
• Edmond's family received several phone calls after his disappearance asking if he had been found. LISK made taunting calls to Melissa's sister & others.
Brooklyn mom pleads for son’s return, 16 years after coming out to family and disappearing | PIX11

Speculation:
A friend saw Edmond on a train shortly after his disappearance with an older man. Did LISK lure him away via internet & Edmond went along willingly, not knowing he was with a serial killer?

Thank you for posting this! I think Edmond is a very strong possible for "Asian Male", keep us updated!

 

[SecretAgentMan]

Asian victim of Long Island Serial killer not IDed 12 years later


The lone male victim of the Long Island Serial Killer who first came into prominence in 2010 remains unidentified.

The case came back into the public eye after police released 911 tapes Friday connected to the death of Shannan Gilbert, 24, reports the Daily Mail.

The bodies of four women were found during the search for Gilbert, an escort who hysterically phoned 911 claiming someone was after her. All four of the women found in December 2010 on Gilgo Beach were also escorts. They were found all near each other and have been connected to the Long Island Serial Killer.

Authorites would later find four other victims on March 29 and April 4, 2011 – 3 women and a toddler.

Also on April 4, according to Wikipedia, authorities found the body of John Doe, an unidentified Asian male, also on Gilgo Beach. Described as biologically male, they found him wearing women’s clothing.

The DOE Network indicates he’s between 17 – 23 years of age and that it’s possible he may have lived as a woman. He is also believed to be a victim of the Long Island Serial Killer.

“It is possible that this particular victim was a sex worker and may have been killed after it was found out by the killer that the victim was not a cisgender woman,” said the DOE Network.

Asian victim of Long Island Serial killer not IDed 12 years later – AsAmNews

Shannan Gilbert whose disappearance lead to the discovery of numerous bodies connected to the serial killer died of an accident, police believe.

asamnews.com

 

[wcasewatch]

I think there's a good chance that Asian Male went missing between 2004 and 2006.

If you look at the Gilgo Beach locations where LISK dumped his victims, it seems as though he was dumping them from east to west.

Toddler (1997) and Mack (2000) were dumped at the most easterly site.

Jessica Taylor (2003) was dumped west of Toddler and Mack.

Asian Male was dumped west of Taylor.

The Giglo Four (2007-2010) were dumped west of Asian Male.

There's a clear pattern when you exclude his two earliest victims, Fire Island Jane Doe and Peaches.

 

[wcasewatch]

I would also like to add that there's a good possibility Asian Male was picked up in Manhattan, as that seems to have been his original hunting ground.

Jessica Taylor (2003) was last seen near the Port Authority building and Maureen (2007) was picked up outside of her motel near Times Square.

If so, then we're probably looking for an Asian Male (trans) who was working the streets around Manhattan between 2004 and 2006.

The problem here is that sex workers from other states and cities will often drift to NYC without their family knowing.

If they were reported missing, they may have been "last seen" someplace else.

As a result, any trans woman with an Asian background who went missing during that period is a possible match.

Another problem is that the victim's family will sometimes whitewash their past or be completely unaware about what they were up to.

In other words, this missing person could be listed as a male and there might not be any reference to them working as a sex worker.

Basically, the net should be cast pretty wide on this one.

 

[Springrain]

Great post! Being an amateur genealogist (20+ years), and having my own DNA autosomal and mitochondrial DNA done, I have wondered about this, myself. I do not have Asian ancestry myself, but I wonder if anyone here has had a DNA test done and Asian DNA has mapped out, when they know their family is indigenous to North, Central, or South America, or the islands. This would potentially widen (considerably) the search criteria regarding missing persons. I agree with you, that through the years I have not found many Asian American communities on Ancestry (then again, I haven't been looking there). I agree that going through communities, or word of mouth, might unfortunately be the best way, at least for now.

My mother (Filipino) got her DNA done via 23&Me and it gave pretty specific and accurate information about her Asian ancestry, but I don't really recall anything specific. I think it could be a big help. Not sure about Asian communities on Ancestry but I know a lot of us Asians aren't very into genealogy or things of that nature.

 

[Bose]

My mother (Filipino) got her DNA done via 23&Me and it gave pretty specific and accurate information about her Asian ancestry, but I don't really recall anything specific. I think it could be a big help. Not sure about Asian communities on Ancestry but I know a lot of us Asians aren't very into genealogy or things of that nature.

Thank you for adding your thoughts to this thread, and info, @Springrain ! I do hope they are able to narrow down by DNA in this case.

 

[DaisyChains]

I’ve always thought it was interesting that Michael Pak was caught for trafficking people before and not just driving around sex workers. And that the unidentified person is Asian male who for what we can only assume identified as female.

Human trafficking is a very real and scary business. Many of those trafficked lose their value to their captor they work for (for various reasons) and then what happens to them? Lattingtown Jane Doe is also someone I suspect could have been a victim of human trafficking. Whether used for sex or cheap labor (considering Pak’s dual connections to trafficking and sex work I’m thinking sex trafficking).

I believe both victims were connected. And I believe both were undocumented which could greatly account for their still being unidentified. I do wonder if the composites have been circulated in countries where it is suspected the doe’s came from? Probably not. Even if so, would their families claim them considering the gravity of what might have brought their own blood to the US? Many times people are trafficked when they are younger and sold to traffickers BY THEIR OWN FAMILY so the family can use that loved one for monetary gain

 

[pastaispunk]

Hi, I’ve been pouring over Wikipedia articles, Books, TV shows, Reddit Threads, and Doe sites and one thing really jumped out at me: The Asian Doe found on Gilgo Beach. The victim was a petite Asian ‘male’ who was found with women’s clothes, leading to believe she was a trans woman. She had a condition that affected her gait and was one of the earliest victims. I believe the key to finding her identity is to ask members of the New York queer community for help. The police aren’t going to take initiative so we have to. Somebody out there knows her and she deserves justice. She had to have friends or people that knew her in New York’s queer community that would have noticed her missing. She could have been a performer or most likely a sex worker but someone out there knows her name. So many trans women have been murdered and are nameless in the system, she deserves justice just like Maureen, Megan, Mellisa, Amber, Valerie, Jessica, Shannan, and the other unidentified victims.

 

[pastaispunk]

Hi, I’ve been pouring over Wikipedia articles, Books, TV shows, Reddit Threads, and Doe sites and one thing really jumped out at me: The Asian Doe found on Gilgo Beach. The victim was a petite Asian ‘male’ who was found with women’s clothes, leading to believe she was a trans woman. She had a condition that affected her gait and was one of the earliest victims. I believe the key to finding her identity is to ask members of the New York queer community for help. The police aren’t going to take initiative so we have to. Somebody out there knows her and she deserves justice. She had to have friends or people that knew her in New York’s queer community that would have noticed her missing. She could have been a performer or most likely a sex worker but someone out there knows her name. So many trans women have been murdered and are nameless in the system, she deserves justice just like Maureen, Megan, Mellisa, Amber, Valerie, Jessica, Shannan, and the other unidentified victims.

Also: She may not be Asian, possibly Native American. If anyone active in the queer community in New York from 2004-2006 remembers a petite trans Asian or Native American woman that walked funny, it could be her

 

[dotr]

Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP9355

View NamUs unclaimed person case UCP9355 for -- -- missing from Gilgo Beach, New York. Date body found: Apr 04, 2011. NCMEC case number: --.

namus.nij.ojp.gov

Date Body Found
April 4, 2011
Location Found
Gilgo Beach, New York
Est. Age Range
17 - 23 Years
Estimated Year of Death
0-2006
Estimated PMI
5 Years
Sex
Male
Race / Ethnicity
Asian
Height
5'-6" - (66 - inches) Estimated
Weight
-- - lbs Cannot Estimate

 

[Ozoner]

Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP9355

View NamUs unclaimed person case UCP9355 for -- -- missing from Gilgo Beach, New York. Date body found: Apr 04, 2011. NCMEC case number: --.

namus.nij.ojp.gov

Date Body Found
April 4, 2011
Location Found
Gilgo Beach, New York
Est. Age Range
17 - 23 Years
Estimated Year of Death
0-2006
Estimated PMI
5 Years
Sex
Male
Race / Ethnicity
Asian
Height
5'-6" - (66 - inches) Estimated
Weight
-- - lbs Cannot Estimate
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If they were able to extract his DNA, then they should be able to come up with a more specific background than "Asian." Non-whites are less likely to be in genealogical databases, but they could at least figure out whether he's Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Filipino, Korean, Thai, etc.

 

[Ana renee]

If they were able to extract his DNA, then they should be able to come up with a more specific background than "Asian." Non-whites are less likely to be in genealogical databases, but they could at least figure out whether he's Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Filipino, Korean, Thai, etc.

Not sure if this is anything but I found something. Ken Amin Tran went missing in 2002. There is limited info but age and height seem good. What really stands out is that he had something called Disc L Leg. It would cause problems with leg movement. It has been reported that Gilgo male doe may have had a medical issue that would affect his gait. What do ya think?

 

[Ozoner]

Not sure if this is anything but I found something. Ken Amin Tran went missing in 2002. There is limited info but age and height seem good. What really stands out is that he had something called Disc L Leg. It would cause problems with leg movement. It has been reported that Gilgo male doe may have had a medical issue that would affect his gait. What do ya think?

I would say that the odds are very low because Tran went missing from California. He also had a regular job and didn't appear to be involved in any kind of alternative lifestyle.

For this victim, I think that we're looking for someone from the New York City area. Many people move to New York City from other regions, so he could be from anywhere, but his last known whereabouts would most likely by the New York City area.

I strongly suspect that this UID was never reported missing and was probably estranged from his family. If he was estranged from his family, then he could have been reported missing from anywhere if, for instance, the report was made because they hadn't heard from him in several years.

However, I think we can more or less rule out anyone known to be living in a different part of the country at the time he disappeared.

 

[Rlnjkm]

I would say that the odds are very low because Tran went missing from California. He also had a regular job and didn't appear to be involved in any kind of alternative lifestyle.

For this victim, I think that we're looking for someone from the New York City area. Many people move to New York City from other regions, so he could be from anywhere, but his last known whereabouts would most likely by the New York City area.

I strongly suspect that this UID was never reported missing and was probably estranged from his family. If he was estranged from his family, then he could have been reported missing from anywhere if, for instance, the report was made because they hadn't heard from him in several years.

However, I think we can more or less rule out anyone known to be living in a different part of the country at the time he disappeared.

Respectfully disagree...several reasons..NYC is

I would say that the odds are very low because Tran went missing from California. He also had a regular job and didn't appear to be involved in any kind of alternative lifestyle.

For this victim, I think that we're looking for someone from the New York City area. Many people move to New York City from other regions, so he could be from anywhere, but his last known whereabouts would most likely by the New York City area.

I strongly suspect that this UID was never reported missing and was probably estranged from his family. If he was estranged from his family, then he could have been reported missing from anywhere if, for instance, the report was made because they hadn't heard from him in several years.

However, I think we can more or less rule out anyone known to be living in a different part of the country at the time he disappeared.

I must, respectfully, disagree...NYC is the 2nd most trafficked city in the US..it logically stands to reason that as many people that are taken from this area, are also transported to this area. Tran is a logical possible and should be submitted..not that SCPD will do anything proactive, but maybe the Feds will, regardless, I submitted them.

 

[DS2021]

Bumping

 

[lizziginne]

With the arrest today, and the bail document showing search terms used by RH, the only male related search being 'asian twink tied up *advertiser censored*' makes me think we may have this does killer

 

[hafom8840]

With the arrest today, and the bail document showing search terms used by RH, the only male related search being 'asian twink tied up *advertiser censored*' makes me think we may have this does killer

It's obvious they're all connected, this asian guy included, and I have not a clue why people don't think that. I mean what, it just so happens multiple serial killers like going to gilgo beach?

 

[LucyOso]

With the arrest today, and the bail document showing search terms used by RH, the only male related search being 'asian twink tied up *advertiser censored*' makes me think we may have this does killer

That was my thought exactly. Those searches. Very specific. Which makes me very concerned about the "10 year old" searches. Did he change his preferences and hunting/dumping grounds once the bodies got discovered. I don't think he stopped.

 

[lizziginne]

That was my thought exactly. Those searches. Very specific. Which makes me very concerned about the "10 year old" searches. Did he change his preferences and hunting/dumping grounds once the bodies got discovered. I don't think he stopped.

No way he stopped, not with those searches on his phone. Three charges is just the start. I hope he can name the UIDs, or evidence found leads to their identities.
The 10 year old searches make me want to vomit. Makes me highly concerned about other victims we don't know about as yet