Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #7 *M. Bridger guilty*

[jigzy]

Apologies for quoting my own post - poor forum etiquette I know, but here are my posts from a previous thread with images of the possible site for the shale bank. Posting again as someone was querying the location.

I may be COMPLETELY wrong with this location, but I think the quarry/shale area leads down to a stream that joins the Dulas just below Ceinws. It is the only area of shale big enough to be the area in question, imo.

I wish I knew EXACTLY where the shale bank/slope is on a map, but I'm thinking that, given the description of the removal of large stones, this place:

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/i...nes-the-search-continues-gallery-92707715.jpg



..has been cleared to become this place:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ck-bag-sighting-91466-31974005/#ixzz29BxClfPe

Quote:
All the vegetation and large stones were cleared and put into a police long wheelbase Transit van parked alongside.
There must be a very strong reason to have removed those large stones (and some vegetation we are told). I suspect that the recent torrential rain has washed a good deal of the shale over some evidence - maybe where a scent was detected by dogs, or where some other piece of evidence was found.

Got it!!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/getty/article/ALeqM5iWxlVvqFj-X6x4pxF8a3bcNb2AeQ?docId=153614452

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http://goo.gl/maps/F58TO

jmo

ETA: Along the lane by the shale bank/quarry is a tipi company. http://www.tipis.co.uk/home.htm There are, what locals consider to be, many 'new age' and 'alternative' people in the area. Tipis are not a rare sight. The Centre for Alternative Technology is just nearby.

jmo

 

[bijoux]

Quick questions:

If an accused person pleads guilty to a charge(s) then there would be no trial, but would the evidence be kept confidential by the court or is there an obligation to advise the public?

If an accused person is charged with more than one offense, it is conceivable he/she might plead guilty to one charge and not guilty to the other, in which case a trial would proceed for the one charge. Correct?

 

[Uchiki Kuri]

Apologies for quoting my own post - poor forum etiquette I know, but here are my posts from a previous thread with images of the possible site for the shale bank. Posting again as someone was querying the location.

I may be COMPLETELY wrong with this location, but I think the quarry/shale area leads down to a stream that joins the Dulas just below Ceinws. It is the only area of shale big enough to be the area in question, imo.





jmo

The photos don't look like the same place to me. I'm pretty sure that the shale bank and the quarry are different locations.

Where was the first image (quarry?) of the big rocks/man in red (mountain rescue?) published? In this image there is solid rock visible on the left. There is none is the riverbank pictures. In the second, "after" image (riverbank) the police are all wearing black.


This report (05 Oct 2012) describes it as a steep river bank:

The most intense activity in the search appeared to be focussed on a steep river bank near the hamlet of Ceinws, where Mr Bridger has lived for the past month, following a report that a man was seen carrying a black bag there at 1pm on Tuesday.
Carwen Sheen, 36, was chatting to a friend on the opposite river bank when they saw the figure scrambling down a gulley leading to the water's edge.
A team of 12 officers moved in to clear shrubs and vegetation using long-handled shears, pick-axes, spades and forks, then begin the painstaking work of sifting through the soil and shale underneath.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/959...-mother-after-police-open-murder-inquiry.html

I think this is a separate operation:

As around 1,000 people took part in an emotional church service to remember the school girl yesterday, police confirmed that the search effort was to intensify, with 100 specialist officers joining the operation.
Meanwhile, a disused quarry half a mile from Mr Bridger's house has been sealed off and was described by a police source as a "crime scene".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-suspect-Mark-Bridger-to-appear-in-court.html

The service was on the Sunday following April's disappearance, 7th October.


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Aerial view showing bridge and bus stop, where I thought the two women witnesses may have been standing chatting (upper left), in relation to Bridger's house, lower right, seen sticking out from the corner of the larger building. You can see path leading up to front door and the hedge by the road.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=52.637119,-3.838499&spn=0.002647,0.006239&t=h&z=18


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[Rutland Girl]

Quick questions:

If an accused person pleads guilty to a charge(s) then there would be no trial, but would the evidence be kept confidential by the court or is there an obligation to advise the public?

If an accused person is charged with more than one offense, it is conceivable he/she might plead guilty to one charge and not guilty to the other, in which case a trial would proceed for the one charge. Correct?

Hi bijoux,

With regard to the first part of your query, I think details of a very recent case basically relate to what you are asking;
A taxi driver confessed during police interviews that he had murder Sian O'Callagham, he pleaded guilty to murder, case went to crown court for sentencing by a Judge & basic details of abduction/murder etc were reported to the public.

With regard to the second part of your query, I think it pretty much follows the same scenario as above, the guilty plea part goes to crown court for sentencing etc and the charges that relate to a not guilty plea can be dropped if thought appropriate, by the prosecution.

Just realised I could have just answered yes to both your queries. Apologies.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Yep, could well be. Just find it odd after looking at MB's house and surrounding area on Google that it's not an easy place for two ladies to access without going on what looks like private property.

I had thought it meant further along from the Dyfi bridge where the man was also filmed by channel 4.
:what:

Most of the media quotes said the two women were 'on the other side of the river', I saw one that said they saw MB 'from the road. Not sure though if it still meant the other side of the river and not knowing geography I rely on someone who does to tell us if that is possible.
Obviously when police did the search they had a van at the top of the slope on the roadside but is there a road on both sides of the river?

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Quick questions:

If an accused person pleads guilty to a charge(s) then there would be no trial, but would the evidence be kept confidential by the court or is there an obligation to advise the public?

If an accused person is charged with more than one offense, it is conceivable he/she might plead guilty to one charge and not guilty to the other, in which case a trial would proceed for the one charge. Correct?

In answer to second question and let's say a hypothetical of the current case, if MB pleaded guilty to only one of the three he's charged with I don't see any way it would not still proceed to trial on the other two - nobody else has been charged so far, even if someone else is charged as some sort of accomplice the charges would need to be tried against all those charged who don't plead guilty.

Answer to first, if person pleads guilty to all charges and goes to sentencing there is still a transcript as a record, including the sentencing and the Judge's reasons.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I should think they were simply looking for MB. They would have heard by then that he was suspected of being involved, and knew where he lived (or had found out - it's clear that some people must have known).

Odds on they would know where he lived, one of the witnesses is a friend of his most recent ex, VF.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

The photos don't look like the same place to me. I'm pretty sure that the shale bank and the quarry are different locations.

Where was the first image (quarry?) of the big rocks/man in red (mountain rescue?) published? In this image there is solid rock visible on the left. There is none is the riverbank pictures. In the second, "after" image (riverbank) the police are all wearing black.


This report (05 Oct 2012) describes it as a steep river bank:



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/959...-mother-after-police-open-murder-inquiry.html

I think this is a separate operation:



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-suspect-Mark-Bridger-to-appear-in-court.html

The service was on the Sunday following April's disappearance, 7th October.


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Aerial view showing bridge and bus stop, where I thought the two women witnesses may have been standing chatting (upper left), in relation to Bridger's house, lower right, seen sticking out from the corner of the larger building. You can see path leading up to front door and the hedge by the road.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=52.637119,-3.838499&spn=0.002647,0.006239&t=h&z=18


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Can upload as .jpg etc, by choosing the 'attachments' (paperclip) button in task menu at top of the text box.

 

[veggiefan]

is there a road on both sides of the river?

The location of the house is shown by A on this map:

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=52.637145,-3.835518&hl=en&ll=52.637145,-3.83484&spn=0.004375,0.010053&sll=52.637132,-3.83484&sspn=0.004401,0.010053&mra=mift&mrsp=0&sz=17&t=m&z=17

There are roads on both sides of the river, and the river can (just) be seen from the bus stop on the A487, which is pretty much opposite "A", although bushes prevent a really clear view.

Incidentally, it's unlikely the women were waiting for a bus, as the whole of the A487 was closed - so no buses or other traffic.

 

[LittleMissContrary]

Notice the photo's of MB in this report provided by??????
But again noticing the faces blotted out other than those of MB and VF... so i'm thinking she either gave these photo's to the press or gave permission for her face to be shown, they are after all 'private' photos??????

I would wager she was paid a tidy sum to share that photo, unless it was someone else who provided them to the media.

 

[veggiefan]

Odds on they would know where he lived, one of the witnesses is a friend of his most recent ex, VF.

Wouldn't they have told the police? All the police seemed to know at this stage is that he lived somewhere in the Corris Valley - they closed 12 miles of road through the valley but didn't seem to have any more precise an address.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

It's even feasible that one of them lives at Ceinws. One of them hasn't been named afaik. Or they could have been visiting somebody there.

Oh, and I wouldn't place too much reliance on times, especially as quoted in the media.

There were two different times given for the channel 4 footage, I think the second was around 2.30pm.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Wouldn't they have told the police? All the police seemed to know at this stage is that he lived somewhere in the Corris Valley - they closed 12 miles of road through the valley but didn't seem to have any more precise an address.

We don't know for sure that they didn't have his address.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Children of PJ and KG

Dau HL J born/reg Apr 94

Dau AM J born/reg Jul 99

Children of MB and EG (now ED)

Son CB Mar 2000
Dau SB Jul 2002

PJ and CJ

Dau J S-J Nov 95
Son HJ Feb 2002
Dau April S-L J 2007

PJ & CS-J marriage
After 2005
Possible this year.

 

[ann-other]

Children of PJ and KG

Dau HL J born/reg Apr 94

Dau AM J born/reg Jul 99

Children of MB and EG (now ED)

Son CB Mar 2000
Dau SB Jul 2002

PJ and CJ

Dau J S-J Nov 95
Son HJ Feb 2002
Dau April S-L J 2007

PJ & CS-J marriage
After 2005
Possible this year.

So I would say it is highly likely that MB's daughter and PJ's son are in the same class at school?

 

[Uchiki Kuri]

The location of the house is shown by A on this map:

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=52.637145,-3.835518&hl=en&ll=52.637145,-3.83484&spn=0.004375,0.010053&sll=52.637132,-3.83484&sspn=0.004401,0.010053&mra=mift&mrsp=0&sz=17&t=m&z=17

There are roads on both sides of the river, and the river can (just) be seen from the bus stop on the road , which is pretty much opposite "A", although bushes prevent a really clear view.

The main road (A487)is on one side of the river and Ceinws is on the other.

Incidentally, it's unlikely the women were waiting for a bus, as the whole of the A487 was closed - so no buses or other traffic.

How come Bridger was reported seen waiting for a bus in Machynlleth, then, on the same morning?

Most of the media quotes said the two women were 'on the other side of the river', I saw one that said they saw MB 'from the road. Not sure though if it still meant the other side of the river and not knowing geography I rely on someone who does to tell us if that is possible.
Obviously when police did the search they had a van at the top of the slope on the roadside but is there a road on both sides of the river?

I'm not sure which van you are referring to. The one photographed by Sky News from a helicopter was near the Dyfi bridge, near Machynlleth rather than near Ceinws, which is about four miles away.

There were two different times given for the channel 4 footage, I think the second was around 2.30pm.

The Channel 4 footage is not from Ceinws, but is taken on the footpath (sidewalk/bike path) on the Machynlleth side of the River by the Dyfi Bridge near Machynlleth (the one which has a turning off to Aberdyfi to the left, coming from Machynlleth). This path goes over the Millennium footbridge just upstream from the road bridge.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?sadd...04401,0.010053&mra=mift&mrsp=0&sz=17&t=m&z=17

 

[LegallyBrunette]

So I would say it is highly likely that MB's daughter and PJ's son are in the same class at school?

Yes, you would think so.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

The main road (A487)in on one side of the river and Ceinws is on the other.




How come Bridger was reported seen waiting for a bus in Machynlleth, then, on the same morning?




I'm not sure which van you are referring to. The one photographed by Sky News from a helicopter was near the Dyfi bridge, near Machynlleth rather than near Ceinws, which is about four miles away.



The Channel 4 footage is not from Ceinws, but is taken on the footpath (sidewalk/bike path) on the Machynlleth side of the River by the Dyfi Bridge near Machynlleth (the one which has a turning off to Aberdyfi to the left, coming from Machynlleth). This path goes over the Millennium footbridge just upstream from the road bridge.

Thank you, the house isn't really remote is it.

So, the river is between the house and A487? (sorry, blonde question, I can see river on Map view!)

Wasn't it just road blocks on A487, so buses could still run?

I know the channel 4 footage wasn't near MB house, but thanks for the extra info There was another witness/witnesses quoted who saw MB around the time of the TV footage.

 

[veggiefan]

We don't know for sure that they didn't have his address.

True, but knowing the importance of trying to find an abducted child as quickly as possible, I'm sure the police would have gone straight to Mount Pleasant if they'd know that he was living there, instead of waiting several miles down the road for much of the Tuesday in the hope of catching him.

 

[marlywings]

Ok I'm still going through the posts & looks like there'll be further deletions.

Websleuths will decide what gets posted & what doesn't

Please get back on topic...this thread is about April.