GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #11

[Joely 123]

And I suppose Helen was unlikely to have told anyone except the solicitor and T Hurley about her financial arrangements.

The neighbour friend at Royston (Margaret Holson (?) signed Helen's more recent Will .. and mentioned she didn't know how much she 'was worth' or wtte .. because 'Helen didn't flaunt it'. (Channel 5)

 

[faybradshaw]

One of his nervous tics I suppose. Doesn't he also do this in one of the vids when he is interviewed in the house slouching in the armchair ?

Definitely a nervous tic. Count how many times he did it! His son and the police couldn't help but notice!

 

[Alyce]

That's the local evening paper for Newcastle and surrounding areas - including Ponteland where Helen lived as a child/teenager.

I still shudder when seeing IS unshaven - what an evil look he has about him.

Was thinking about Helen whilst driving around this afternoon catching up on errands etc. and for some reason my mind keeps going back to the actual moment he pounced to smother her. I pray she was totally unaware of what was happening and can't imagine the horror she would have felt if she knew, even for a short time, that he was hell bent on murdering her.

I try to think of what the pathologist said about zero resistance from Helen and , although I realise he cannot know definitely, it gives me hope that Helen knew nothing of what happened. The alternative is too awful to contemplate, even if it was only a few seconds.

 

[jessie]

Everyone knows now he was lying from the start, but I do find the 'tells' of lying interesting. IS displayed so many of these during his casual police interviews that we have seen on video. Once charged he just fidgeted a lot in interview and refused to answer, but still couldn't avoid the hand covering face 'tell' during questioning.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...the-clues-deceit-the-psychology-lie-detection.

http://learnbodylanguage.org/body_language_lying.html

 

[icemaiden65]

I try to think of what the pathologist said about zero resistance from Helen and , although I realise he cannot know definitely, it gives me hope that Helen knew nothing of what happened. The alternative is too awful to contemplate, even if it was only a few seconds.

Thank you so much for this Alyce, the voice of calm amidst my terrible thoughts. x

 

[KarenUK]

Thank you so much for this Alyce, the voice of calm amidst my terrible thoughts. x

Thanks also - it's something that caused me a lot of worry - I hope she just dozed off and woke up with Boris and JS x

 

[KarenUK]

Do you guys think that the timing of 'When Bad Things Happen...' is significant? He's a narcissist who had to hear Helen's interviews regarding the grief she still had over JS and how it crippled her - did it remind him of the man he couldnt be? I am in two minds about the engagement ring and wedding cost, as Helen could have brought more income along in future books etc that would have offset the wedding costs...

 

[MissTwiddle]

I haven't told anyone that I work with that i've been following this case so nothing i've said has influenced any discussion but it's been all over the news so everyone now knows about it. Today there was a huge uproar about him not turning up for his sentencing, the most common phrase being 'Who the *advertiser censored** does he think he is'. I can't deny I got some satisfaction from knowing that regular people are offended by his attitude, and they don't know the half of it.

I know there have been some inaccuracies in the reporting but for some unknown and baseless reason I have been taking comfort in these by imagining that they will infuriate IS. I'm aware that he told his wholly unbelievable and batshit tale but wanted to ask people that have experience of psychopaths if they have any knowledge of whether or not imprecision in reporting 'facts' by media would have a positive or negative affect? *Fingers crossed he hates it ha!*

And finally, for now, If there is to be a Panto I hope it includes the line 'Snoopy has nothing to do with it'. :laughing:

 

[Cherwell]

Yep, am sure there is plenty they could do with loss of privileges.

And, although I understand what they were saying about having to physically bring the convicted person to court - long journey, might cause havoc on the way, as well as in the dock - I don't see the same level of disruption for a video link.

Within the prison there should be enough staff to escort IS to the relevant room and ensure he sits and listens to the Judge.
Plus, if he did scream and shout, they could quickly turn off the link and he is instantly removed from view of the court.

I agree. I didn't like that lawyer who was arguing that convicts "can't" be forced to attend sentencing. He came across as most unlikeable.

I like the idea of the pillory as an alternative.

 

[BlueMosaic]

I just read through the Daily Mail piece by Jan Moir. Best to be sceptical about all media, but agree with some others here that the Guardian and Mail (and the Times I found in the staffroom yesterday) had good coverage-if good is the word for this awful case.

Not quite my cup of tea, re ankle thickening etc (!!) but felt it made some points, including,

"Smart and self-possessed forty-something girlfriends of mine have sometimes introduced me to their online new loves — men who are clearly just a few meat cleavers short of being the full psychopath..."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...omen-fall-appalling-conmen.html#ixzz4Zd85Mxl3

On the POA, when the husband and I recently re-did our wills at the same time (as is customary, and we did wills in the many years we weren't married) the solicitor suggested thinking of them in the future, but very much on a joint basis. Helen's solicitor didn't seem to know her well, but even on commercial grounds I wonder if joint wills/POAs were suggested and dismissed or "delayed" by IS.

 

[MissTwiddle]

Do you guys think that the timing of 'When Bad Things Happen...' is significant? He's a narcissist who had to hear Helen's interviews regarding the grief she still had over JS and how it crippled her - did it remind him of the man he couldnt be? I am in two minds about the engagement ring and wedding cost, as Helen could have brought more income along in future books etc that would have offset the wedding costs...

My personal opinion, and i'm no expert, is that his hope was that Helen would crash her car whilst drugged and die or be severely damaged in an accident. I think that explains the POA in addition to the will. But, that day she came home and announced that she was never going to drive again upset his plans as he took her literally. I think he saw red as she'd upset his plans.

 

[BatFace]

I think that the prospect of spending thousands on rings and a wedding is what set him off. Everything we know of him shows him to be astonishingly mercenary, and I've no doubt that his mindset was practical and focussed on not wasting money that would be more comfortable in his pocket. I think he even begrudged the forty quid or so on leaflets for the Find Helen campaign, else why would he bring it up as an example of his largesse? He is mean and selfish- pleased enough to buy himself a sports car and reserve himself £50K "play" money, but a man who would recycle his wife's eternity ring and insist on taking a pre-booked holiday so as not to waste the money while his most beloved partner is apparently missing...well, we are talking of quite an extreme example of avarice here. There are plenty of other instances we could point to too.


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[Belgarion]

One of his nervous tics I suppose. Doesn't he also do this in one of the vids when he is interviewed in the house slouching in the armchair ?

Seeing IS slouching and shabby in that armchair I am very much reminded of George Best being interviewed when he was the worse for wear due to drink.

 

[Belgarion]

I agree. I didn't like that lawyer who was arguing that convicts "can't" be forced to attend sentencing. He came across as most unlikeable.

I like the idea of the pillory as an alternative.

He was clearly a defence lawyer standing up for his 'clients' as he described them

 

[SweetCinnamon]

Just found a guide called 'First Time in Prison' I can't seem to link on my I-Pad but it gives a good idea of what IS can expect as a convicted prisoner. The worst thing for him is that he'll no longer 'be in control'. It'll freak him out totally.


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[porkypies]

I think you've hit the nail on the head here - rather than people like that horrible JSP condemning Helen for being dumb/ naive, this whole case should serve as a warning that even the sharpest, best informed people, are able to be taken in by dangerous psychos like IS.

The surprising thing about IS is how bad an actor he appeared to be during the police arrest and interviews. I can only assume that he was completely out of his depth at this stage and overdoing the acting.

Over acting
I would think he was definitely out of his depth, because at 56 years old, this is likely the first time anyone has ever caught him out, he’s never had to deal with this sort of audience before, hence the fairy tales and odd body language.

 

[KarenUK]

My personal opinion, and i'm no expert, is that his hope was that Helen would crash her car whilst drugged and die or be severely damaged in an accident. I think that explains the POA in addition to the will. But, that day she came home and announced that she was never going to drive again upset his plans as he took her literally. I think he saw red as she'd upset his plans.

Yes, I agree - he hoped the drugs wold do his dirty work and when it failed he had to take matters into his own hands

 

[BlueMosaic]

Seeing IS slouching and shabby in that armchair I am very much reminded of George Best being interviewed when he was the worse for wear due to drink.

I know what you mean, and the drinking, especially after the liver transplant, was grotesque and suicidal (I speak as someone who had a father who drank and was violent in the years after my mother's death as a child-so much so, or so little did he care that when someone tried to attack me, grabbing me by the collar, when I was walking the dog one morning-the dog was off the lead and chased him) and I told him, he just said, "Perhaps he was running for a bus.." (An hour before the first bus ran and in the wrong direction)

At least the young Best had talent and looks, before he took that path that too many have taken.

 

[Alyce]

I just read through the Daily Mail piece by Jan Moir. Best to be sceptical about all media, but agree with some others here that the Guardian and Mail (and the Times I found in the staffroom yesterday) had good coverage-if good is the word for this awful case.

Not quite my cup of tea, re ankle thickening etc (!!) but felt it made some points, including,

"Smart and self-possessed forty-something girlfriends of mine have sometimes introduced me to their online new loves — men who are clearly just a few meat cleavers short of being the full psychopath..."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...omen-fall-appalling-conmen.html#ixzz4Zd85Mxl3

On the POA, when the husband and I recently re-did our wills at the same time (as is customary, and we did wills in the many years we weren't married) the solicitor suggested thinking of them in the future, but very much on a joint basis. Helen's solicitor didn't seem to know her well, but even on commercial grounds I wonder if joint wills/POAs were suggested and dismissed or "delayed" by IS.

It's odd isn't it. We know all about how Helen sorted her Will to safeguard poor, impoverished IS and family and organised her POA for him in case of need.
But we have heard nothing of what IS did in return.
Even if he told Helen that his Will would be for his sons only - and I can quite see him doing that and Helen going along with it - it would seem strange that he, as the more likely candidate for departure, due to ill health, did not want to have a POA set up, for Helen to activate in case of need.

 

[SweetCinnamon]

Murder requires a 'Cat A' prison so he won't be kept at Bedford. Hope I'm not boring anyone. Just want to imagine his fate for a while.


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