Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #10

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elliefant said:
As I understand it he was initially guarding Dungeness nuclear power station and was armed, which may have helped fast-track him to an armed position in the Met.

1. Guarding Dungeness
2. Police Response Team in Bromley
3. Current position.

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And although not full time police service, he had also been a Special Constable (i.e. voluntary position with the powers of a Police Constable whilst on duty, and a monthly commitment of a number of shifts) with Kent Police prior to these positions - I believe it was during this time that the photo of him with a breathalyser originates from.

So he'd likely have had some knowledge about any practices or protocols in Kent that differed with the Met, and working in Bromley he'd likely understand the issues of communications across forces - as much of that borough borders on Kent. (Not that this necessarily had an impact upon his decision making)

There was also prior military service, in a similar vein to his time as a Special Constable, it wasn't full time - but via the TA; badges to the regional infantry regiment - Princess of Wales Royal Regiment (PWRR). Experience of firearms that would've likely helped his application to the Civil Nuclear Constabulary (in addition to his time as a Special).

[Edit. I realise I should probably source this even though it's previously been discussed. I'm currently on my phone, but will look for news articles to cite.]
 
MsMiniSleuth said:
As a cop I would imagine he is well versed with destroying evidence. He is no fool and would have done as much as he could to avoid any link to him, and on disposing of the body. Although he might have thought he was being clever, as has been proved with the car ID, he made fatal mistakes.
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Right, maybe. Or maybe not, he wasn’t a homicide detective so he may not come into contact with this type of investigation.

But that still doesn’t mean that we know that something happened to the body, because that’s just not true based on the information that has been released. Stating that as a fact, like the person I replied to did, is how rumours start.
 
Smkd said:
Exactly how do we know that something happened to her body? There have been no reports of this as far as I know, and all I see is people drawing wild conclusions based on their interpretation of the semantics of the reporting. Sorry, but it’s doing my head in, it’s almost like people are gunning for this being more horrible than it already is.

All we know is that she was identified by dental records. I’m not an expert but I can think of many reasons this would be the case. She was identified by sight, but the confirmation was done through dental records for instance. The body was decomposing and didn’t want to put the family through having to see her like that. Maybe her belongings weren’t there. Maybe fingerprints were difficult to obtain, or they had nothing to compare it to. Maybe going to her flat to obtain something with her DNA, analysing both samples and comparing them was more lengthy and troublesome than obtaining dental records.

Unless an expert comes here and says that the only possible scenario ever for dental records to be used is a body being desecrated beyond recognition, this just comes across as macabre gossiping, because we just don’t know that something happened to her body.
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Agreed. If I remember correctly, after the police announced they had found "human remains", there was a statement from the family very quickly, certainly within the first 12-24 hours, using the past tense about Sarah. "Sarah was bright and beautiful - a wonderful daughter and sister. She was kind and thoughtful, caring and dependable. She always put others first and had the most amazing sense of humour".

So it feels like the family was told it's her pretty quickly. The police just didn't announce it officially until it was properly confirmed.
 
Smkd said:
Exactly how do we know that something happened to her body? .

All we know is that she was identified by dental records. I’m not an expert but I can think of many reasons this would be the case.

Unless an expert comes here and says that the only possible scenario ever for dental records to be used is a body being desecrated beyond recognition, this just comes across as macabre gossiping, because we just don’t know that something happened to her body.
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I'm not an expert in decomposition. I am an archaeologist who has spent some time studying it though, and I would have expected a wrapped body, in cold temperatures to be recognizable after a week. It is hard to estimate without all available factors being known. How long had she been dead? Was she stored somewhere warmer and exposed for a time? Any injuries caused may have speeded decomposition. And so on.
However, the main reason I suspected that something had been done to her was the description of "human remains"rather than body.

ETA. Not sure we should infer anything from the dental record ID. It is possible no one wanted to view SE's remains, preferring to remember her as she was, thus identification had to happen another way.
 
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Binkacat said:
Hopefully social services would have taken the kids to his parents, assuming they still live locally. So at least they could be with family. Poor kids, they’ve done nothing and their lives are torn apart.
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Foster care is not necessarily worse than going to family. In some cases it is much better for the children. Just saying. I know people think that there must be nothing worse than foster care but actually some children enjoy it and are very happy. It all depends on how they have experienced their lives thus far of course.
 
CoverMeCagney said:
Looking for anything that might have been hidden outside via a window. It’s quite common for e.g. drug dealers to hide their stash in this way. Pretty sure we saw mirror searches on Libby’s case too, and others before it.
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Not just mirrors in Libby’s case but if I recall .. long cameras on poles to check guttering I think?
 
MsBetsy said:
I don't think he necessarily did anything to the body before disposing of it. If it wasn't buried it may have been exposed to the elements, which might have made it harder to identify. Imo
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I just wonder how much an 'intact' body would decompose in a week in winter?
It's been very cold here. Not much I would have thought.
Any 'experts' here?

ETA Mention of this upthread- That'll teach me not to catch up properly:rolleyes:
 
Loobyloo2 said:
Then the stones appeared in 2018 so probably nothing to what I was looking at. The person with the digger was building the stones. I am not sure what was in the tied up bag though, who knows.
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I am almost certain I saw overhead footage of the police activity / search at the Dover garage site, which showed a tent up by the shrubbery at the driveway entrance (on the right side, if you're facing the garage from the road, i.e. where this bag is situated in your images). Does anyone else recall? I've been trying to find the footage again and cannot remember where I saw it (would have been MSM). Will try to find it...
 
CoverMeCagney said:
Question for our former police officers - reports say WC only joined the force in 2018. Would it be usual for someone to have an armed position so soon? I always thought it was a couple of years on the beat and working ones way up.

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I’ve noticed a couple of our current serving officers have not been present on the thread at all, and while I’d love their input I understand it’s probably not a good idea to contribute too much. Thoughts with you guys right now.
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The reporting of WC's police career in the media is all a bit confused. My understanding of it is that he had been a police officer for about eight years with the Civil Nuclear Constabulary (CNC), protecting Dungeness Nuclear Power Station in Kent. It is also reported that WC was a special constable with the Kent Constabulary.

The CNC is one of a number of non-Home Office forces in the UK that have the responsibility for protecting high risk sites and high risk road movements to and from those sites. The CNC are routinely armed. Therefore, this is how WC will have become an Authorised Firearms Officer (AFO).

As the CNC is not a Home Office force, WC would have been unable to apply for direct transfer to Met Pol. Essentially CNC does not provide the all round policing experience required of a police constable, it is very niche. Therefore WC 'should' have started as a probationary police constable, attended training school and completing two years probation before being confirmed as a constable. I have to wonder in these times of being able to join the Met Pol directly as a probationary detective constable, whether WC bypassed normal probationary training and was recruited directly into the DaPD?

I have read that WC joined Met Pol in 2018 and served at Bromley in Kent (Met Police area). I don't know how accurate this is. Although, it would mean that he would have become established sometime in 2020, when he would have become eligible to apply for specialist police roles.

What is unclear is if WC was able to retain his AFO ticket with the Met Pol during his probationary period. Once this would have been extremely unusual, but it may have come at a time of police shortages of AFO's, together with the increased terrorist threat and an officer who was already a qualified AFO was snapped up. Maybe his AFO ticket lapsed during his probationary period and he did a shorter re-qualification course to join the DaPD?

I hope that provides some clarity on the process, that I am aware of, together with fair bit of conjecture.
 
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Mandalas said:
I am almost certain I saw overhead footage of the police activity / search at the Dover garage site, which showed a tent up by the shrubbery at the driveway entrance (on the right side, if you're facing the garage from the road, i.e. where this bag is situated in your images). Does anyone else recall? I've been trying to find the footage again and cannot remember where I saw it (would have been MSM). Will try to find it...
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There was a photo posted on social media showing a tent on the same spot the digger was on, just behind the concrete blocks. I can’t seem to find this photo on MSM though.
 
Mandalas said:
I am almost certain I saw overhead footage of the police activity / search at the Dover garage site, which showed a tent up by the shrubbery at the driveway entrance (on the right side, if you're facing the garage from the road, i.e. where this bag is situated in your images). Does anyone else recall? I've been trying to find the footage again and cannot remember where I saw it (would have been MSM). Will try to find it...
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KentOnline may be the best source for anything regarding that search. There was a photo from ground level that showed a tent there though, and that's available via KentOnline.

It's interesting as the garage isn't exactly in a secluded spot, albeit is set back from the road via the driveway you mention.

I seem to recall that it was stated that that location was deemed a crime scene, but I'm not sure if that was journalistic embellishment! I have photos of the inside of the garage as of a year ago, and I'm not sure whether it's a location that you'd store anything. It's clearly a local spot for graffiti and accessible.
 
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