UT - Parenting influencer, Ruby Franke, and blogger/podcast partner Jodi Hildebrandt, arrested for Child Abuse, Aug 2023

[NCWatcher]

One thing about many religions, is that people who have faith in what their leaders say, they are more likely to block out anything that creates "cognitive dissonance", things that they don't want to acknowledge are wrong.

An example of this, is the denial of the Duggars, that their son Josh was molesting his sisters. They didn't want to see it, or acknowledge it, so, therefore, it didn't exist. It is a complicated concept to understand.

I see the same thing happened here, the mother was so enamored with Jodi Hildebrand, that she did everything she was told, blocking out the fact that she was perpetratoring abuse on her own children.

I saw this happen, and it is crazy. A child was being beaten, by the "Priesthood Holder", the women in the house ignored it, like they were robotic "Stepford Wives". And the abusive activity was so normalized in this house, that they were not even hiding it from me. It was absolutely horrifying to see and hear it. And even scarier, to wrap my head around the fact that these "normal' people

It's certainly true those things can happen (and unfortunately have.) But denial of distressing information as a response to cognitive dissonance is hardly restricted to those with a strong religious faith. For example, we see it all the time in politics/political beliefs. So far as raising children goes, I've never seen data to suggest that a mother who "doesn't see" that her boyfriend is abusing her daughter is more apt to be religious. Or a dad who doesn't see the signs his son is using drugs is more apt to be religious. Denial can affect anyone.

MOO

 

[arielilane]

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@cathyrusson: JOURNAL ENTRIES Part 2 : Reminder R is 12 turning 13 yr old son. E is 9 yr old daughter. #RubyFranke is the author of these journals. R escaped #JodiHildebrandt's home in Ivins, UT on...…

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@cathyrusson

I'm sickened and enraged! I'm also grateful R got them out of this and Ruby/Jodi are behind bars.

10:15 PM · Mar 22, 2024


I firmly believe R saved himself and his sister's life on 8/30/23 when he escaped and went for help. Remember, this isn't the first time he ran away. He was punished before and yet still found the strength to do it again.


10:03 PM · Mar 22, 2024

 

[Howl]

As a queer person Born In Church who left when I came of age... I can say with certainty that this is not the official LDS position on same sex relationships. Expressing that kind of opinion, let alone acting on it, can get you pulled up in front of a Court of Love pretty sharpish.

MOO

Oh, exactly. Jessi H was only 16-ish when Jodi H told her this, but it stands out to them as an adult as being completely bizarre.

Not a psychologist and I don't play one on TV, but here's my take (MOO): Jodi H has same sex attractions and manifests it by removing men from their wives by claiming the man is evil and a threat to the family, and then moving in (sometimes literally) to continue the "marriage counseling".

Sharing a bed with the wife (didn't Jodi H do this at least twice?) should have been huge red flag the led to the loss of her counseling credential and possible excommunication from the LDS.

More irony: Jodi H's legitimacy in influential LDS circles was based on coming across as THE specialist to treat "*advertiser censored* addiction".

I firmly believe R saved himself and his sister's life on 8/30/23 when he escaped and went for help. Remember, this isn't the first time he ran away. He was punished before and yet still found the strength to do it again.

Yes, absolutely. I think R knew at some level that he would die if he didn't get help.

 

[arielilane]

PHOTOS THREAD: (I won't post the most graphic). #RubyFranke #JodiHildebrandt
PHOTOS THREAD: (I won't post the most graphic).
Jodi's kitchen....a lot of food in the pantry
#RubyFranke #JodiHildebrandt

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[mickey2942]

It's certainly true those things can happen (and unfortunately have.) But denial of distressing information as a response to cognitive dissonance is hardly restricted to those with a strong religious faith. For example, we see it all the time in politics/political beliefs. So far as raising children goes, I've never seen data to suggest that a mother who "doesn't see" that her boyfriend is abusing her daughter is more apt to be religious. Or a dad who doesn't see the signs his son is using drugs is more apt to be religious. Denial can affect anyone.

MOO

I am sorry if I did not word this correctly. But, I have seen it, and it defies logic. It was not to bash religious beliefs. Just, it fit this particular context.

 

[Cool Cats]

It's certainly true those things can happen (and unfortunately have.) But denial of distressing information as a response to cognitive dissonance is hardly restricted to those with a strong religious faith. For example, we see it all the time in politics/political beliefs. So far as raising children goes, I've never seen data to suggest that a mother who "doesn't see" that her boyfriend is abusing her daughter is more apt to be religious. Or a dad who doesn't see the signs his son is using drugs is more apt to be religious. Denial can affect anyone.

MOO

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But denial of distressing information as a response to cognitive dissonance is hardly restricted to those with a strong religious faith.

OP never said anything about this being restricted only to religion. Wow.

 

[NCWatcher]

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But denial of distressing information as a response to cognitive dissonance is hardly restricted to those with a strong religious faith.

OP never said anything about this being restricted only to religion. Wow.

I am sorry if I did not word this correctly. But, I have seen it, and it defies logic. It was not to bash religious beliefs. Just, it fit this particular context.

The post said "One thing about many religions, is that people who have faith in what their leaders say, they are more likely to block out anything that creates "cognitive dissonance", things that they don't want to acknowledge are wrong." Examples of ignoring child abuse in religious contexts followed.

So it seemed to me the post was suggesting the phenomena described was peculiar to religion or more apt to happen if people were religious. I apologize @mickey2942 if I have somehow misread your original post and no causal connection to religion was meant.
MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

I recall that in Jessi Hilderant's first interview, where they detailed Jodi H's abuse, Jessi mentions a comment Jodi H made, something along the lines of...having a same sex relationship just for sex was incredibly terrible, sinful, so very very wrong, BUT if it's a soul-mate type of same-sex relationship then all good.

I saw an interview on Mormon Stories with Jessi who went on to say that sex with love was not okay for gay couples, according to Jodi.

In other words it is all fine and good if someone like Jodi, Ruby, Pam had sex with each other because they're not gay and love each other.

 

[HawthorneJuniper]

I didn't intend my post to be anti-Mormon. I respect other people's religious beliefs. I also would note that these cases - JH, Daybell, involve a very small handful of people who come under the influence of these leaders, it's definately not every Mormon, who are as appalled by the cases as anyone else.

JMO

I guess I was a bit harsh & I apologize. It's not about LDS really, it's about abusive religious control that is prevalent in high control Abrahamic religions. This isn't appropriate to discuss here in the religious sense. I was trying to reference setting someone up essentially. Whether using religion or love or money, bad actors will manipulate your beliefs against you. I have always been extremely careful in that arena.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Well, to each his (or her) own ... but in this case doesn't their church have rules against such relationships -- if there was one ?
Also , I feel Ruby and Jodi 'fed' off each other's twisted ideas and cruelties !
'Egged' each other on.
Seeing who could inflict the most punishment.
Sadistic.
Omo.

"The attraction itself is not a sin, but acting on it is. Even though individuals do not choose to have such attractions, they do choose how to respond to them."

Same-Sex Attraction

Online resources for Church leaders and other members of ward and stake councils to help them minister to members.

www.churchofjesuschrist.org

 

[Izzylizzy]

One thing about many religions, is that people who have faith in what their leaders say, they are more likely to block out anything that creates "cognitive dissonance", things that they don't want to acknowledge are wrong.

An example of this, is the denial of the Duggars, that their son Josh was molesting his sisters. They didn't want to see it, or acknowledge it, so, therefore, it didn't exist. It is a complicated concept to understand.

I see the same thing happened here, the mother was so enamored with Jodi Hildebrand, that she did everything she was told, blocking out the fact that she was perpetratoring abuse on her own children.

I saw this happen, and it is crazy. A child was being beaten, by the "Priesthood Holder", the women in the house ignored it, like they were robotic "Stepford Wives". And the abusive activity was so normalized in this house, that they were not even hiding it from me. It was absolutely horrifying to see and hear it. And even scarier, to wrap my head around the fact that these "normal' people

BBM:
Multiply that by a few thousand and it's occurring daily throughout the US by every racial/ethnic/religious category of people as their enablers watch and remain silent.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Another Jessi Hildebrandt interview.
@ 4:00 ish she said she has spoken with the DA Clark and he said Jodi will most likely get the maximum sentence.
Stay tuned.

She's speaking with lawyers about the possible suing of Jodi for emotional damage, she had one week left at the time of the interview to file due to a 10 yr statue of limitations, like 10 yrs from when you're 21.
Her delivery never disappoints,sadly the topic is horrific.

IMO: She's beautiful and a wordsmith to boot.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I wonder what the LDS leaders who referred individuals to Jodi for counseling think after learning this tidbit of information.

They've been aware of how Jodi operates for years and IIRC: after she lost her license back in 2012 for a time they took her name off of their website for therapists but continued recommending her.
They love Jodi and even recently bestowed blessings on her so they obviously didn't give a crap then or now.
Her license isn't certified by the LDS so what the hell do secular organizations know about their God and sin? lol
The church is obscenely wealthy and a few million here and there in settlements is what they're used to.
They'll circle the wagons just like other churches/organizations do when abuse is involved.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Police bagged into evidence handcuffs tied to rope, recovered from Jodi Hildebrandt's "panic room.".
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Parts of YouTuber Ruby F

 

[Izzylizzy]

Does anyone know if R & J's victims can speak before the parole board ?

"In an early entry in the journal dated July 11, 2023, Franke recalled a "big day for evil" when she wrote that her daughter "manipulates me." In the same entry, Franke later described a moment with her son "R," where she told him to "stand in the sun with his sun hat." After she claimed he was "defiant" and refused to do so, Franke wrote that her son's "demon stays in the shade," so she pushed him into the sun and later harmed him with a cactus.


"I come back with a cactus poker. When I poke his back to get in the sun, [R] doesn't even flinch," Franke wrote. "I poke him on the neck. He is in a trance & doesn't appear to feel anything. Jodi taps him on the cheeks to wake him up."


The mother then asked her son if he knew that his family and "savior" loved him, before pouring mop water on him after he continued to stay in the shade. "I take my mop water and go to [R]," she wrote. "I show [R] the water. Then I pour the water on [R]. It's hot outside. 'It feels good, doesn't it?' Yes."


On that same day, Franke wrote about her son being pushed in a pool. She then detailed putting "my hands in his face" and asking if he's ever "heard someone talk underwater."


"I know [R] is in there somewhere. I know deep down under all this anger you can hear me," she wrote. "It may sound like I'm underwater with you but hear me, 'I love you.' "

Parts of YouTuber Ruby Franke's Journal Detailing Cruel Torture of Children Released by Authorities

YouTuber Ruby Franke detailed days of child abuse and torture in a journal, parts of which have now been released by authorities in Utah. Franke was recently sentenced to multiple years in prison after four convictions of aggravated child abuse.

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[Izzylizzy]

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A lot of info provided.

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[Izzylizzy]

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By employing a number of factors, such as the offender’s criminal record, supervision history, nature and severity of the offense and other fact specific details, the Board calculates a sentence guideline, usually in terms of months, which provides a starting point for the Board in its determinations and decisions.'


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[Izzylizzy]

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[Luna20]

How does the Board decide who gets out of prison?

"The Board considers the nature and severity of the crime(s) committed, including the harm done to the victim and society, the continued risk posed by the inmate, and the inmate’s behavior and programming efforts while incarcerated. At least three Board Members (constituting a majority) must agree on any release decision."


A lot of info provided.

Board Frequently Asked Questions – Utah Board of Pardons & Parole

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Board of LDS or regular prison?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Board of LDS or regular prison?

Where R & J landed, the Utah prison system after being enabled by the LDS hierarchy.