WA WA - Sky Metalwala, 2, Bellevue, 6 Nov 2011 - # 5

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ClassyT said:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/a...ce_no_real_clues_in_case_of_missing_wash_boy/

I am a bit confused. The article says LE hasnt asked her to come in the talk.
"Detectives haven't asked Biryukova to come in to the station and it wasn't clear if and when that might happen, Johnson said."

How can she refuse a PGT if not asked to come in? Are they so convinced they have the answers that having her in isn't necessary? What the heck?
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The attorney is acting as a buffer. All communication is going through the attorney. She appears cooperative, they don't get to talk to her (or see her actions, factial expressions, body language, etc.). The attorney probably made it clear early that all communication would be through them.

ETA: I am curious if after the friend called 911, if Julia borrowed her phone to call her attorney right there at the scene.
 
HRCODEPINK said:
That is a possibility, but since the blanket was still in the car, I am leaning more towards the blanket being empty in the first place, or Sky being well secured in something that would not allow scent or drainage on to the blanket. I am thinking that Sky has been missing for a while. At best I am afraid that he died while she was at mediation. I could be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time, but I worry that Casey has taught people that by waiting, there is less chance of finding COD and we all see how that went.
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I really can't imagine the possibility of Sky being deceased inside the blanket. Because, then what? Then, on the way to pretending to run out of gas she would have had to bury him or secure him in some hidden way in full view of her daughter.

I'm leaning toward there was nothing in the blanket. I'd like to see, as another poster noted, her given a doll and ask her to wrap the doll the same way her brother was. Like, loosely with the head sticking out? Completely covered?
 
I wonder if they could drug test the daughter and see if traces of narcotic are still in her system.
 
HRCODEPINK said:
The attorney is acting as a buffer. All communication is going through the attorney. She appears cooperative, they don't get to talk to her (or see her actions, factial expressions, body language, etc.). The attorney probably made it clear early that all communication would be through them.

ETA: I am curious if after the friend called 911, if Julia borrowed her phone to call her attorney right there at the scene.
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That is just crazy to me. Since his disappearance she has not voluntarily gone in there for leads or anything? She got an atty but putting myself in her shoes...I'd be sleeping in their lobby making sure they were finding my kid. Even if they accused me.
 
JeannaT said:
I really can't imagine the possibility of Sky being deceased inside the blanket. Because, then what? Then, on the way to pretending to run out of gas she would have had to bury him or secure him in some hidden way in full view of her daughter.

I'm leaning toward there was nothing in the blanket. I'd like to see, as another poster noted, her given a doll and ask her to wrap the doll the same way her brother was. Like, loosely with the head sticking out? Completely covered?
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ITA! I am leaning way more towards empty, myself. ;)

Even if something had happened to him as recently as mediation, leaving M behind to go to bury him or hide his body somewhere would not be out of the norm, it seems, so she really didn't have a timeline very limited by her children.
 
SmoothOperator,
I didn't quote your post because of space, but I agree wholeheartedly with all of it.

Your description of the horrid way some parents treat their exes and manipulate their children into hatred is so very true. My father started his legal practice as a divorce and custody attorney. He eventually went into criminal law, and said that nothing in criminal law reached the level of acrimony and the depths of low morality as the people he met who were in contested divorce and custody battles. He swore to never go back into that field of law. ever.
 
ClassyT said:
That is just crazy to me. Since his disappearance she has not voluntarily gone in there for leads or anything? She got an atty but putting myself in her shoes...I'd be sleeping in their lobby making sure they were finding my kid. Even if they accused me.
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Clearly you and I are COMPLETELY different people than Julia. What was the quote? Something about her giving them access to the car, apt, etc. What more can she do?
 
katydid23 said:
SmoothOperator,
I didn't quote your post because of space, but I agree wholeheartedly with all of it.

Your description of the horrid way some parents treat their exes and manipulate their children into hatred is so very true. My father started his legal practice as a divorce and custody attorney. He eventually went into criminal law, and said that nothing in criminal law reached the level of acrimony and the depths of low morality as the people he met who were in contested divorce and custody battles. He swore to never go back into that field of law. ever.
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MM hm. I've had some friends go through messy divorces, and holy cow. I DON'T CARE about your details! I DON'T THINK HE'S PSYCHOTIC. I AM SICK UP TO HERE OF YOU TWO SABOTAGING YOUR KIDS by not passing on cub scout permission slips and lists of items to bring because you want your husband to have to scramble and look like a sloppy parent.

The level of plotting revenge - always putting the kids squarely in the middle of the fiasco - is amazing.

So I'm seeing her in that light, that I've witnessed before.
 
HRCODEPINK said:
Clearly you and I are COMPLETELY different people than Julia. What was the quote? Something about her giving them access to the car, apt, etc. What more can she do?
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I know that some are reluctant to do a PG but the quicker they get it over with the sooner they can go find the "bad guys". She cant look any more guilty than she does now. Really.

I am trying to empathize put myself in her shoes as a mom of a missing. I would be in that office singing like a canary. I'd give them anything. My HS GPA, credit report, mothers maiden name..."And in the 4th grade I cheated on a spelling test..." Ok, I am being dramatic but you get my point. You have a right to get an atty and you have a right to make yourself look like a suspect. Your rights are clearly more important than your baby. Noted.
 
ClassyT said:
I know that some are reluctant to do a PG but the quicker they get it over with the sooner they can go find the "bad guys". She cant look any more guilty than she does now. Really.

I am trying to empathize put myself in her shoes as a mom of a missing. I would be in that office singing like a canary. I'd give them anything. My HS GPA, credit report, mothers maiden name..."And in the 4th grade I cheated on a spelling test..." Ok, I am being dramatic but you get my point. You have a right to get an atty and you have a right to make yourself look like a suspect. Your rights are clearly more important than your baby. Noted.
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It may be that she's distancing herself because the more pieces they put together, the true picture of how completely neglectful she was, and the odds get bigger and bigger that she will never have custody of her daughter after all this. Even if somehow she's not guilty in the disappearance of Sky.

Leaving those two alone for 11 hours is neglectful by absolutely any standard. We all have different levels of supervision and care, but you wont' find ANYONE who honestly thinks that's okay.

And there she is, caught red handed doing it.

(I do wonder, how long did she think the mediation would last? An hour?)
 
ClassyT said:
I know that some are reluctant to do a PG but the quicker they get it over with the sooner they can go find the "bad guys". She cant look any more guilty than she does now. Really.

I am trying to empathize put myself in her shoes as a mom of a missing. I would be in that office singing like a canary. I'd give them anything. My HS GPA, credit report, mothers maiden name..."And in the 4th grade I cheated on a spelling test..." Ok, I am being dramatic but you get my point. You have a right to get an atty and you have a right to make yourself look like a suspect. Your rights are clearly more important than your baby. Noted.
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I think that you may have misunderstood my post. I am in total agreement with you. I am a legal studies major who is going into criminal law and has volunteered for 12 years on post conviction capital appeals in cases where innocence and wrongful conviction is the issue. I have seen misconduct from the top all the way to the bottom and have seen injustices that would make your head spin. I know better than most about the reliability of a poly and the importance of keeping your mouth shut and letting your lawyer do the talking. And if my child were missing I would hire an attorney and have them accompany me to the station to take a poly immediately, so they could stop looking at me and get out there and find my kid.

The most telling aspect here is that her right to remain silent is so that she will not incriminate HERSELF. That is what the 5th amendment is for. IMO that tells me all I need to know about this one. It is sad when they go after the wrong guy. Few people know that like I do. But if it were me, I wouldn't care, just keep looking for my baby.

In addition the fact that she isn't out looking, at the command center or in the public is very telling as well. If I were to describe her the way I see her in my mind, I would probably be banned.

ETA: I also do not believe that she has more rights than the baby. We all have the same rights and the protections in the Constitution are protections for you against the government. The law and love are what should protect the baby from things like this. Like the Constitution, the law does not always keep those in check that should be kept in check, sadly.
 
jjenny said:
I wouldn't be surprised if he was never in that car to begin with, blanket or not. A 4 year old can be easily influenced so just because a 4 year old thinks her little brother was in the car doesn't mean he was.
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Additionally, 3 and 4 year olds don't always have a concept of yesterday/today/tomorrow. I remember talking to a little one who was talking about going to Disneyland "yesterday", and I knew she went there weeks before. Her mother told me that "yesterday" just meant some day in the past.

Of course, I'm sure the specialist that interviewed her would know all this.
 
making public invitation to Julia, we are open to interview her and take information from her
 
What did he expect to be done today? I couldn't hear it.

TIA
 
ClassyT said:
Is it wrong for me to think Dad should do an interview and plead with Julia that if she leads the police to his son he will drop the custody case and not pursue it any further? A complete lie but shes not exactly balanced right now. She might bite.
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Doesn't she have an attorney? If JB harmed Sky, custody is the last thing the defense attorney is concerned about right now, imo
 
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