CANADA WA - Unidentified Male: "Lyle Stevik", Grays Harbor, 17 Sept 2001 - #1

[outofthedark]

I think the two things fit very well together. I know I'm reaching, but it kind of seems like something that could have happened after a breakup. Maybe his relationship/marriage ended, and he went far away and did this. She'd never have an answer of what happened to him, and she'd always wonder. To some people, that would make perfect sense. Kind of a "look what I did because of you."

If he really did kill himself over a divorce or seperation, then it would be coincidental to this John Doe case, also from the Doe Network:

http://doenetwork.us/cases/720umsk.html

About his appendoctomy scar- do you think it's possible that he suffered from stomach problems? Would the surgeon/whomever would recognize him as their patient? Or was the appendoctomy the result of his death?

The whole marriage thing fits in with his estimated age range with his year of birth probably being from 1970-1981. If he was 30- there is a good chance of estimating how long he could have been married for. But if he was 20 and was married, what age did he marry at?

 

[bykerladi]

In these days appendectomies are so "run of the mill" I doubt a surgeon would recognize him. Not to mention with so many specialists required nowadays, his surgeon was unlikely his regular doctor.

I like that name, outofthedark! Robert Quinn Harbor-Doe. Very creative! Hope he won't mind if I shorten it to Robert... or Rob... :crazy:

If he wanted an ex to "look at what you made me do" or whatnot, wouldn't he WANT her to find out?

I don't see a connection between suicide at a motel and using the address of a motel. I still think that address he used was too remote to be randomly chosen.

 

[outofthedark]

In these days appendectomies are so "run of the mill" I doubt a surgeon would recognize him. Not to mention with so many specialists required nowadays, his surgeon was unlikely his regular doctor.

I like that name, outofthedark! Robert Quinn Harbor-Doe. Very creative! Hope he won't mind if I shorten it to Robert... or Rob... :crazy:

If he wanted an ex to "look at what you made me do" or whatnot, wouldn't he WANT her to find out?

I don't see a connection between suicide at a motel and using the address of a motel. I still think that address he used was too remote to be randomly chosen.

Thanks! We could shorten it to Rob or Robert and turn it into a full-time nickname that we could call him in our posts instead of "John Doe"

If he had an ex, maybe he killed himself and didn't tell her so he could suprise her with his revenge that he had taken out on her. If he had an ex before his death, perhaps she cheated on him or dumped him without his knowledge...

That whole committing suicide at a motel and using the address of a motel from another state confuses me- why would he do that? Was he planning to go to that Idaho motel?

 

[JusticeForAll]

Perhaps he once worked at the motel and remembered the address.

 

[bykerladi]

I wonder if the police even asked the people at that address if they recognized him...

 

[PonderingThings]

JusticeForAll I agree that maybe he once worked for the motel and maybe remembered the address - or maybe he worked in the shipping department of a company that used to send a lot of supplies (products like shampoo just as an example) to the hotel - he was so used to writing the address he could rattle it off from memory.

Same for the name from the book. Maybe his best friend always called himself by that name - so he "stole" it when he was checking in. Maybe he used the name because he hated his English Lit teacher who failed him on an exam about that book. Maybe he had just read the book on a bus ride as another passenger had accidently left it behind.

Sometimes the clues that are left behind are meaningless.

Here are some things that we do know.

1. He wanted to be anonymous.
There was nothing of his but the clothes on his back, tooth paste and a tooth brush. No wallet, No id, no change of clothes, no coat, etc.. Where did he stash them? In a dumpster? A locker at the bus station? A vehicle? Checked baggage on a plane? Checking in under a false name underscores he tried to be anonymous... right?

2. Clues about the teeth.
He had had othodontic work done and had almost perfect teeth. He also had a tooth paste and tooth brush as his only "possessions". Could he have been a dentist? Or did he have them because he forgot he had removed them from his bag?

3. He died a few days after September 11th. Had the hotel been unexpectedly busy after flights were grounded? Is there an airport nearby? Perhaps the location is simply because that's where his plane landed?

4. Did he plan his suicide or was it a moment of opportunity? Many people plan to go to a hotel to commit suicide - that way they are sure their body will be found, and a family member doesn't find them. What if they were thinking about suicide anyway and found themselves in "perfect circumstances".

5. Could someone have stolen his bag? Is it possible that he had brought someone back to his room and they stole everything he had (except for the cash in his pocket)? Someone already depressed from the events could have become even more depressed at the theft?

I read a report about this case (don't know where as I can't find the reference) that said he carefully taped pillows to the wall so that it would minimize any noise. He would have had to buy or bring the tape with him.

Lots to speculate about... few answers....

 

[outofthedark]

JusticeForAll I agree that maybe he once worked for the motel and maybe remembered the address - or maybe he worked in the shipping department of a company that used to send a lot of supplies (products like shampoo just as an example) to the hotel - he was so used to writing the address he could rattle it off from memory.

Same for the name from the book. Maybe his best friend always called himself by that name - so he "stole" it when he was checking in. Maybe he used the name because he hated his English Lit teacher who failed him on an exam about that book. Maybe he had just read the book on a bus ride as another passenger had accidently left it behind.

Sometimes the clues that are left behind are meaningless. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

Here are some things that we do know.

1. He wanted to be anonymous.
There was nothing of his but the clothes on his back, tooth paste and a tooth brush. No wallet, No id, no change of clothes, no coat, etc.. Where did he stash them? In a dumpster? A locker at the bus station? A vehicle? Checked baggage on a plane? Checking in under a false name underscores he tried to be anonymous... right?

2. Clues about the teeth.
He had had othodontic work done and had almost perfect teeth. He also had a tooth paste and tooth brush as his only "possessions". Could he have been a dentist? Or did he have them because he forgot he had removed them from his bag?

3. He died a few days after September 11th. Had the hotel been unexpectedly busy after flights were grounded? Is there an airport nearby? Perhaps the location is simply because that's where his plane landed?

4. Did he plan his suicide or was it a moment of opportunity? Many people plan to go to a hotel to commit suicide - that way they are sure their body will be found, and a family member doesn't find them. What if they were thinking about suicide anyway and found themselves in "perfect circumstances".

5. Could someone have stolen his bag? Is it possible that he had brought someone back to his room and they stole everything he had (except for the cash in his pocket)? Someone already depressed from the events could have become even more depressed at the theft?

I read a report about this case (don't know where as I can't find the reference) that said he carefully taped pillows to the wall so that it would minimize any noise. He would have had to buy or bring the tape with him.

Lots to speculate about... few answers....

The pillow thing is new and interesting- I wonder how many pillows "Robert's" hotel room had at the time he checked in...

Now I am wondering what types of noise was he trying minimize...

I was thinking- if he was a dentist, a dentist's office would recognize him as an employee and identify him by a photograph- did the Sheriff's Department go to dental offices to see if they recognized him if he had a specific dentist that he went to?

"Robert" being a employee at a hotel I could see because he could remember the address or perhaps he had an excellent memory...

 

[PonderingThings]

When a hanging occurs the body will spasm in its final throes. Since he used the closet area he probably felt the walls were too close and didn't want to give himself away.

 

[PonderingThings]

For those that are inclined to learn more about suspension hanging here is Steven's thoughts on the subject. http://ash.spaink.net/suspension.html

ITS NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED - it does explain the "techniques" and "mindset" of some of the suicidal people though.

I know the date at the bottom of the web page refers to the web page, not the date of the possible suicide but in my mind I've often wondered if this unidentified man was "Steven".
==> Last update: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 07:47

 

[outofthedark]

For those that are inclined to learn more about suspension hanging here is Steven's thoughts on the subject. http://ash.spaink.net/suspension.html

ITS NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED - it does explain the "techniques" and "mindset" of some of the suicidal people though.

I know the date at the bottom of the web page refers to the web page, not the date of the possible suicide but in my mind I've often wondered if this unidentified man was "Steven".
==> Last update: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 07:47

That "Steven" person could be him...

Makes me wonder how "Robert" could set up a web page 5-6 days before his death and then kill himself later... I'll read the page further to find anything that might give any clues about "Robert" and who he might really be- but then "Steven" could be an alias too. Perhaps "Robert" had a history of giving false names and addresses, so that no-one knew who he was

 

[PonderingThings]

No the web page was not owned by "Steven". He sent an email to the site owner "Webspinner".

(Webspinner note: The below was sent to the webspinner address as a combined suicide note / suspension hanging reference. Since the author hasn't contacted me again, I assume he sent the letter on a time delay, and was successful.)

The site owner assumes Steven went through with it - but there isn't actually any confirmation.

There is most likely NO connection to the unidentified man being discussed. Just coincidental. After all, the aftermath of 9-11 saw a spike in suicides.

 

[outofthedark]

No the web page was not owned by "Steven". He sent an email to the site owner "Webspinner".


The site owner assumes Steven went through with it - but there isn't actually any confirmation.

There is most likely NO connection to the unidentified man being discussed. Just coincidental. After all, the aftermath of 9-11 saw a spike in suicides.

I found a different website with the "Lyle Stevik" case on it- just type in "Lyle Stevik Case" on google
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[outofthedark]

- "Robert" checked into the hotel on September 15th, 2001

- The motel was near a trailer park

- The 1st room he was in he said was too noisy, so "Robert" asked to be moved

- He closed the blinds so no-one would see him

- In the trash can, there was a crumpled newspaper and a piece of white paper on which he scribbled the word "suicide"

- His Levi's were a size 36 waist and way to big to fit his 140-pound frame- so that's the explanation of the 30-40 pounds weight loss belief

Information Found: http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2006/02/19/local_news/01news.txt

 

[gardenmom]

Maybe this guy took the 9/11 events and staged a suicide so they would think he died in the towers or something. Maybe he was supposed to be there, and had survivor's guilt. Maybe someone he loved died and he didn't want to live anymore.

 

[outofthedark]

Maybe this guy took the 9/11 events and staged a suicide so they would think he died in the towers or something. Maybe he was supposed to be there, and had survivor's guilt. Maybe someone he loved died and he didn't want to live anymore.

The 9/11 death of a loved one was one of the theories on this board- or possibly a friend died in 9/11...

I actually meant to say in another of my posts was "having a page on a website"- not the other way around... just wanted to correct that

 

[dark_shadows]

Is the photo an unretouched Autopsy photo?
If so,it does not appear to be that of someone who has been hanged.
ie;
The capillaries in the eyes are void of hemorrhages.
No Livor mortis in the jawline area above the neck where a "noose" would be placed by someone choosing a hanging method of death.(refer to the photo.)
Livor mortis starts 20 minutes to 3 hours after death and is congealed in the capillaries in 4 to 5 hours. Maximum lividity occurs within 6-12 hours.

Look at this photo if it is unretouched..
His features are too chiseled and devoid of the marks of a person hanged.Was he deseased prior to the hanging?Just a question.

does not match *Warning: Graphic Image*

 

[outofthedark]

Is the photo an unretouched Autopsy photo?
If so,it does not appear to be that of someone who has been hanged.
ie;
The capillaries in the eyes are void of hemorrhages.
No Livor mortis in the jawline area above the neck where a "noose" would be placed by someone choosing a hanging method of death.(refer to the photo.)
Livor mortis starts 20 minutes to 3 hours after death and is congealed in the capillaries in 4 to 5 hours. Maximum lividity occurs within 6-12 hours.

Look at this photo if it is unretouched..
His features are too chiseled and devoid of the marks of a person hanged.Was he deseased prior to the hanging?Just a question.

does not match *Warning: Graphic Image*

Last time I checked that photo out was probably 2 years ago and does a hanging victim have marks on their necks? Because I don't think "Robert" had marks of any sort around his neck- unless I am wrong...

Now that I think about it- I do think there is something up with that photo because I do remember what the photo kinda looked like

1) The way "Robert's" eyes are in that photo
- I don't think his eyes would have been open after he died from air suffocation, they probably would have been closed

2) The way his mouth is closed and how they look in that photo
- I think his mouth would have been open perhaps- not closed like they are

3) Doesn't look like it would qualify as "Graphic"- as in R-rated post mortem photos. This doesn't qualify as a real graphic photo- it just looks like a mugshot that I could find on a "wanted" page

 

[outofthedark]

I found a missing person who fits some of "Robert's" description- but far too many differences

Link: http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300080W

This guy was 26 when he went missing, I calculated his age as being 33 in 2001- 3 years more from the 30 years of the 20-30 yrs age range