interesting
12 A. It was based on behaviors and fact.
13 Q. What facts?
14 A. Well, after the FBI showed up at the house,
15 then I was told that there was the practiced note on
16 the note pad that John Ramsey had given earlier that
17 day and that the parents were involved. Yeah, I
18 already knew that. And then the behaviors I witnessed
19 throughout the day.
20 Q. What specifically about John Ramsey's
21 behavior led you to this conclusion?
22 A. Well, based on my training and experience,
23 it's not one thing. It's a culmination of all the
24 behaviors that day, his background that I was able to
25 glean, and his behavior and his comments after he
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1 brought JonBenet up in particular.
2 Q. Are those contained in the report you
3 authored concerning those events?
4 A. Is what contained? My observations
5 are contained.
6 Q. The comments you were relying on to form
7 your conclusion of his involvement, are those contained
8 in your report?
9 A. My observations are contained in the
10 report, so it's a fairly objective report, as
11 remember it.
12 Q. But that wasn't my question. You referred
13 specifically to comments he made that were part of your
14 forming this conclusion as to his involvement. And my
15 question was are those comments you were referring to
16 in this context contained in your report?
17 A. I believe they are.
18 Q. And at the same time had you excluded his
19 wife as a participant in this crime?
20 A. I hadn't excluded Patsy for her
21 involvement.
22 Q. Did you at some time arrive at that
23 conclusion?
24 A. Never.
25 Q. So to this day, have you formed an opinion
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1 as to whether Patsy was involved in the murder of her
2 daughter?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. And what's that conclusion?
5 A. That John actually killed his daughter, but
6 Patsy was involved in presenting the murder as
7 something other than a murder.
8 Q. The post murder coverup, to generalize?
9 A. Well, I don't like that phrasing, but that
10 is generally how some people refer to it, yes.
11 Q. Did you also make this known to those that
12 were part of the investigative team?
13 A. What, Patsy's involvement?
14 Q. Yes.
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. Now, was this based on fact or impression?
17 A. And those are my two options?
18 Q. No. You're not restricted to those two.
19 You just give me what it is, what the facts are as far
20 as you understand them.
21 A. Based on my training and experience as a
22 sex assault investigator and as a cop and all the
23 experience and training in all investigations.
24 Q. Okay. So if I understand your answer, it's
25 because of your background and experience that you took
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1 the totality of the circumstances, as you perceived
2 them to be on that day, and formed these conclusions?
3 A. It is using my background and experience.
4 And your phrasing of totality of circumstances, it's -
5 what happened on December 26th or what I observed on
6 December 26th, it's using what happened that day with
7 the information about behaviors and facts before
8 December 26th.
