Electro-shock therapy is enjoying a resurgence, but classical acupuncture can also "reset" the body's wiring without the trauma of electrical shock. It also treats many psycho-emotional issues with physical manifestations such as Borderline Personality Disorder, Bipolar, PostPartum Psychosis, depressions and traumas of all kinds gently by treating at the deepest level of the root cause. Classical acupuncture is also called 5-element acupuncture, which is considerably different from the more modern Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) acupuncture. I highly recommend 5-element acupuncture for everyone who wishes to be restored to their original authentic ideal self.
Why Parents Kill Their Children
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Me too. Do not underestimate the effect of chemotherapy drugs on all parts of the body. They are very, very powerful.
In addition, Patsy had ovarian cancer, correct? So she probably had her ovaries surgically removed. That would typically induce an early menopause. I remember my mom's menopause mood swings. Yikes!
Right on all counts.
A woman from Bridgewater, N.S., has been handed a life sentence with no parole eligibility for 20 years for strangling her only child after her boyfriend gave her an ultimatum.
Penny Boudreau, 34, pleaded guilty Friday to second-degree murder in the death of 12-year-old Karissa Boudreau.
The court heard that Boudreau's boyfriend, Vernon Macumber, told her she had to choose between him and her daughter if she wanted to save their relationship.
It was dark and snowy on Jan. 27, 2008, when Boudreau drove the girl to a remote spot on William Hebb Road in Hebbville, near Bridgewater.
They got out of the car and argued. Boudreau tackled her daughter, knelt on her chest and strangled her with a length of twine.
Boudreau could feel the girl's hands digging into the ground as she struggled.
Karissa's last words were, "Mommy, don't."
Boudreau then put the body in the car and threw away the twine in a coffee cup.
She drove to a spot along the LaHave River, and as she dragged the body, pulled down Karissa's pants to give the impression the girl had been sexually assaulted. She then rolled the body down an embankment.
Karissa Boudreau, 12, was a Grade 6 student at Bridgewater Elementary School. (Bridgewater police)
Boudreau later tossed several pieces of Karissa's clothing in the garbage can at the local swimming pool.
Penny Boudreau was charged with first-degree murder in June 2008. At the time, police said they believed Karissa knew her killer.
Scovil said Boudreau had two motives: to save her faltering relationship with Macumber and keep Karissa from publicly calling her a bad mother.
As for Macumber, Scovil said there was no evidence he wanted his girlfriend to kill her daughter. He said Boudreau made it clear that she was solely responsible.
"We suspected very strongly that he must have had an idea. But there was no evidence to suggest that he either had concrete evidence or assisted in any way," Scovil said.
The grim truth of what happened to the girl came out as a result of an undercover police investigation.
Boudreau gave the details to officers posing as organized crime bosses, who said they could help her destroy evidence held by police.
Karissa's story has gripped the small Nova Scotia community ever since her mother made a tearful plea at a news conference for her daughter's safe return.
Boudreau said they had had a fight in the parking lot of a grocery store, and when she came back to the car, Karissa was gone.
Two weeks later, a passerby discovered Karissa's frozen body on the bank of the LaHave River.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2009/01/30/ns-karissa-guilty.html
Penny Boudreau, 34, pleaded guilty Friday to second-degree murder in the death of 12-year-old Karissa Boudreau.
The court heard that Boudreau's boyfriend, Vernon Macumber, told her she had to choose between him and her daughter if she wanted to save their relationship.
It was dark and snowy on Jan. 27, 2008, when Boudreau drove the girl to a remote spot on William Hebb Road in Hebbville, near Bridgewater.
They got out of the car and argued. Boudreau tackled her daughter, knelt on her chest and strangled her with a length of twine.
Boudreau could feel the girl's hands digging into the ground as she struggled.
Karissa's last words were, "Mommy, don't."
Boudreau then put the body in the car and threw away the twine in a coffee cup.
She drove to a spot along the LaHave River, and as she dragged the body, pulled down Karissa's pants to give the impression the girl had been sexually assaulted. She then rolled the body down an embankment.
Karissa Boudreau, 12, was a Grade 6 student at Bridgewater Elementary School. (Bridgewater police)
Boudreau later tossed several pieces of Karissa's clothing in the garbage can at the local swimming pool.
Penny Boudreau was charged with first-degree murder in June 2008. At the time, police said they believed Karissa knew her killer.
Scovil said Boudreau had two motives: to save her faltering relationship with Macumber and keep Karissa from publicly calling her a bad mother.
As for Macumber, Scovil said there was no evidence he wanted his girlfriend to kill her daughter. He said Boudreau made it clear that she was solely responsible.
"We suspected very strongly that he must have had an idea. But there was no evidence to suggest that he either had concrete evidence or assisted in any way," Scovil said.
The grim truth of what happened to the girl came out as a result of an undercover police investigation.
Boudreau gave the details to officers posing as organized crime bosses, who said they could help her destroy evidence held by police.
Karissa's story has gripped the small Nova Scotia community ever since her mother made a tearful plea at a news conference for her daughter's safe return.
Boudreau said they had had a fight in the parking lot of a grocery store, and when she came back to the car, Karissa was gone.
Two weeks later, a passerby discovered Karissa's frozen body on the bank of the LaHave River.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2009/01/30/ns-karissa-guilty.html
Like we've said- mothers can and DO sometimes kill their children, coverup the crime/stage it to look like something else, and often make public pleas for the
"safe return" of their child.
And it happens in all socioeconomic groups. Money and education does not exclude mothers from this group.
"safe return" of their child.
And it happens in all socioeconomic groups. Money and education does not exclude mothers from this group.
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Please excuse my ignorance, but I haven't followed the JBR thread as closely as others. So, do most people on here think that JBR parents killed her or were somehow involved? What was the motive? Were her parents abusive to her?
I do remember the bogus ransom note and how the writing resembled Patsy's known handwriting. This, to me, seemed to implicate the parents, but I really don't know all the facts of this case.
Thanks for your time and don't hate on me too much because after all ..........
I am a newbie lol
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I discussed this on the thread for Otty Sanchez. I had PPP after the birth of my daughter. With this I also had suicidal and homicidal intrusive thoughts. I won't get into all the whole story but it can be found by searching my previous posts.
Any-hoo, what I wanted to say was yes, EST is still utilized in mental health facilities.
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Talking about parents who kill and EST, it's quite interesting that Rosemary West's mother had EST while she was pregnant with Rosemary. AFAICR, no one knew she was pregnant. There was some speculation that this may have affected Rosemary's psychological development.
Where to begin....try doing some research first here: http://www.acandyrose.com
It is an archive site, so you have to scroll down to find the JBR section.
For a quick course, rent the DVD "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town". by Lawrence Schiller. He wrote a book by the same title. I prefer the book written by Steve Thomas, a detective who was a major investigator in the case. It is "JonBenet and the City of Boulder". This way, you'll get a good background in the case.
Keep in mind the movie, though fairly neutral, does put the parents in a more favorable light. But it also showcases the warring factions among the investigators which ultimately helped sink the case.
No Newbie-hating goes on here! But it is easier for all of us if you do a bit of research. Most things have been discussed here at length.
Yes, most, but not all, of us feel the parents are responsible for her death or at least know who is. There are too many reasons to list why. That website has all the things you'll need to know. Of course, keep reading here and taking part in the discussions. You'll learn a lot that way. Read the top thread titled "Members' Theories".
We were all newbies once. Welcome.
Yes, most people here are RDI (Ramseys Did It). But there are also some IDIs (Intruder Did It) I encourage you to make up your own mind.
IMO, the motive will not be known until the killer is caught. Even then, it may not make much sense. It's always nice to know the motive, but it isn't essential. Murder cases have been solved w/o knowing the motive.
There is evidence of prior sexual abuse, but it can't really be linked to the parents.
The RN is bogus, and that is what made me RDI. Kidnappers don't leave the body in the house if they want to collect ransom. Kidnappers don't ask a very wealthy man for $118K. Kidnappers don't have any reason to go into the basement if they took the girl from her upstairs bedroom.
Small Foreign Factions do not harm the United States by killing 6 year olds.
Parents who pretend to take seriously the RN where it says she'll be beheaded if the instructions are not followed exactly, should also pretend to take the rest of the RN seriously and not call police, their reverend, friends, and neighbors, despite instructions to the contrary.
Parents don't call to arrange flights to Atlanta shortly after their daughter's dead body has been discovered.
The Rs tell the cops Burke was in bed the whole time, yet Burke is heard in the background when Patsy makes the 911 call.
The Rs claim JBR was in bed around 10pm, but we know she ate pineapple about 2 hours before she died.
There is no evidence of anyone breaking into the house that night. If it was an intruder he'd have had to come through a door or window that was unlocked, or he had a key.
If it was an intruder he was strangely prepared/unprepared at the same time. He didn't bring a RN with him, preferring to use pen and paper from the R's home. Yet IDI theorizes that he brought rope and tape with him.
IDI can't decide if the flashlight was brought by the intruder or not. If so, why didn't he take it with him? The flashlight has the fingerprints wiped off - even the batteries are wiped off. The R's were known to have a flashlight like the one found in the home.
The list of things that don't add up is very long. I haven't even hit all the highlights.
But seriously, I encourage you to look at IDI theory with an open mind and decide for yourself. Obviously I'm only presenting the RDI theory (and only the tip of the iceberg at that)
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Please let me add one thing...that really seals the deal for me...
While Fleet White and John Ramsey "search the house for clues", Patsy is sitting on a couch surrounded by her friends, and looking at photo albums of JonBenet. (At this time...it is still thought to be a kidnapping). While in the basement cellar, John and Fleet find JonBenet's body...Fleet runs up the stairs, out of the basement, screaming..."WE FOUND HER! CALL AN AMBULANCE!!!". He didn't say....We found her, and she is dead. He said "CALL AN AMBULANCE". But, Patsy still just sat with her friends on the couch. She didn't even try to get up and run to her daughter....who could have been hurt very badly...but still alive. After all...Fleet said..."Call and Ambulance". She KNEW...that her daughter was dead. How did she know? Because she is the one that caused her death...IMO...although, accidently. Accident turned staged coverup.
I noticed a while back that someone uploaded it to YouTube (24 parts)
Here is Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Dg8E2lC84
Sure looks that way.
Depends on who you ask.
Again, depends on who you ask. I believe they were (at least one of them).
You came to the right place.
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Ames DeeDee Cynic & Chrishope
Thank-you Thank-you Thank-you !!!
You are all just too sweet ... and very informative; but I wouldn't expect anything else from WSers. I must admit I was a little apprehensive about posting on this thread because I really didn't follow the case. I tend to gravitate to the Haleigh and Caylee threads. But thanks for the links and the guidance.
You are all absolutely great. Thanks again.
Thank-you Thank-you Thank-you !!!
You are all just too sweet ... and very informative; but I wouldn't expect anything else from WSers. I must admit I was a little apprehensive about posting on this thread because I really didn't follow the case. I tend to gravitate to the Haleigh and Caylee threads. But thanks for the links and the guidance.
You are all absolutely great. Thanks again.
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You are so welcome! I also check out the Caylee and Haleigh threads too. (I was a basket case for weeks, when Caylee's body was found...I cried so hard, my oldest daughter actually came out of her room and said..."MOM, what's wrong?" That case is just SO pitiful!)
Mexico stunned: Missing child found dead at home
By LISA J. ADAMS, Associated Press Writer Lisa J. Adams, Associated Press Writer
Mon Apr 5
From the billboards lining Mexico City's choked highways, the wisp of a girl is larger than life. One hand holds her face in a shy pose; the other lightly brushes over a pink-and-blue princess dress. Beneath, black block letters make a desperate plea: "Help us find her."
In a country so brutalized by violence that bodies hanging from bridges and heads in garbage bags barely merit a headline, the disappearance of 4-year-old Paulette Gebara Farah struck a chord.
Paulette's disappearance became the talk of the town on the streets, in restaurants, among construction workers and maids, in the comment sections of newspaper Web pages, and on social networking sites such as Twitter and Facebook.
It was every parent's worst nightmare: Paulette's mother, a lawyer, tucked her into bed in their luxury apartment in a safe suburb. When her nanny went to wake her the next morning, she was gone. Adding to the distress, Paulette had a disability that made it difficult for her to walk or talk.
What kind of monster would snatch a tiny, helpless girl from her room, people wondered, and what kind of kidnappers would fail to demand a ransom?
National television channels rushed the parents live onto the nightly news. Radio stations implored listeners to call an 800 number with tips. Mothers forwarded e-mails seeking information about Paulette. And as Mexicans loaded up their cars for the Holy Week holiday, many hugged their children just a little bit tighter.
Much of that compassion turned to rage and disbelief last week when investigators searching Paulette's apartment for signs that clothes or suitcases had been removed stumbled on her tiny body, wrapped in sheets and wedged between the mattress and the frame of her very own bed.
The coroner said she died by suffocation.
Police said the prime suspect is her mother.
"How could she?" asked the tabloid Metro, plastering a crude Mexican expression over a picture of Lizette Farah, teary-eyed in the role of grieving mother.
The allegations recall the case of Susan Smith, the young mother from South Carolina who said she had been carjacked but was convicted of strapping her two sons into their car seats and rolling the car into a lake.
Farah, 34, has not been charged and she proclaimed her innocence Saturday through her lawyer. She and her husband, Mauricio Gebara, 38, and the couple's two nannies were released from custody Sunday after several days of questioning, but authorities said they are still under investigation. They were ordered to turn in their passports and are barred from leaving the region surrounding Mexico City. Police also are looking for an unidentified man they want to talk to.
Farah and Mauricio Gebara issued extraordinary public pleas for help in finding their daughter, whose image plastered signs on lampposts, in supermarkets and on billboards.
"The only thing I want is to get my child back," a solemn Farah, seated on the bed under which Paulette was later found, told Univision. "She's a special girl who needs her parents; who cannot survive on her own; who has a family that adores her and is willing to give up their own lives for her."
By Thursday, the image of a distraught mother had given way to that of a cold and manipulative woman.
"We have before us a lawyer intelligent, bold, astute. She has always remained very distant in matters of affection and emotional attachment. She has lied," Sandra Yadeum, a legal psychiatric expert working with investigators, told a news conference. "In short, there are characteristics that speak of a mental disorder."
Mexicans expressed their anger over Paulette's death and offered speculation about possible motives.
"What a disgrace," Sol Sanchez, 46, an office worker at a private school in Mexico City, wrote on her Facebook page. "It's an atrocity. It infuriates me."
Uriel Rodriguez, a 24-year-old office worker in Mexico City, surmised that Paulette's parents could have seen their disabled child as a burden, while office worker Georgina Reyes speculated that Farah might have been overwhelmed trying to juggle work and special-needs motherhood.
"But that's no justification," said Reyes, 50. "She had two nannies."
Many expressed cynicism that even if guilty the rich parents would never be convicted.
"Sure enough they're going to nab the poor garbage man or the gardener, and they'll screw them over because they're poor, while they let the rich parents off the hook," wrote a reader on the Reforma newspaper's Web site.
Others urged their fellow citizens to keep an open mind: "They are innocent until proven guilty," another Reforma reader wrote.
Whatever the truth behind Paulette's killing, the news of her disappearance and death has hit a national nerve already jangled by daily tales of bodies hanging from overpasses and ruthless drug cartel hit men spraying army checkpoints with bullets.
"This affects our faith in humanity," said Guadalupe Loaeza, a contemporary Mexican writer and renowned social commentator. "Why kill a child? ... It's monstrous what we are hearing."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100405/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_dead_child
By LISA J. ADAMS, Associated Press Writer Lisa J. Adams, Associated Press Writer
Mon Apr 5
From the billboards lining Mexico City's choked highways, the wisp of a girl is larger than life. One hand holds her face in a shy pose; the other lightly brushes over a pink-and-blue princess dress. Beneath, black block letters make a desperate plea: "Help us find her."
In a country so brutalized by violence that bodies hanging from bridges and heads in garbage bags barely merit a headline, the disappearance of 4-year-old Paulette Gebara Farah struck a chord.
Paulette's disappearance became the talk of the town on the streets, in restaurants, among construction workers and maids, in the comment sections of newspaper Web pages, and on social networking sites such as Twitter and Facebook.
It was every parent's worst nightmare: Paulette's mother, a lawyer, tucked her into bed in their luxury apartment in a safe suburb. When her nanny went to wake her the next morning, she was gone. Adding to the distress, Paulette had a disability that made it difficult for her to walk or talk.
What kind of monster would snatch a tiny, helpless girl from her room, people wondered, and what kind of kidnappers would fail to demand a ransom?
National television channels rushed the parents live onto the nightly news. Radio stations implored listeners to call an 800 number with tips. Mothers forwarded e-mails seeking information about Paulette. And as Mexicans loaded up their cars for the Holy Week holiday, many hugged their children just a little bit tighter.
Much of that compassion turned to rage and disbelief last week when investigators searching Paulette's apartment for signs that clothes or suitcases had been removed stumbled on her tiny body, wrapped in sheets and wedged between the mattress and the frame of her very own bed.
The coroner said she died by suffocation.
Police said the prime suspect is her mother.
"How could she?" asked the tabloid Metro, plastering a crude Mexican expression over a picture of Lizette Farah, teary-eyed in the role of grieving mother.
The allegations recall the case of Susan Smith, the young mother from South Carolina who said she had been carjacked but was convicted of strapping her two sons into their car seats and rolling the car into a lake.
Farah, 34, has not been charged and she proclaimed her innocence Saturday through her lawyer. She and her husband, Mauricio Gebara, 38, and the couple's two nannies were released from custody Sunday after several days of questioning, but authorities said they are still under investigation. They were ordered to turn in their passports and are barred from leaving the region surrounding Mexico City. Police also are looking for an unidentified man they want to talk to.
Farah and Mauricio Gebara issued extraordinary public pleas for help in finding their daughter, whose image plastered signs on lampposts, in supermarkets and on billboards.
"The only thing I want is to get my child back," a solemn Farah, seated on the bed under which Paulette was later found, told Univision. "She's a special girl who needs her parents; who cannot survive on her own; who has a family that adores her and is willing to give up their own lives for her."
By Thursday, the image of a distraught mother had given way to that of a cold and manipulative woman.
"We have before us a lawyer intelligent, bold, astute. She has always remained very distant in matters of affection and emotional attachment. She has lied," Sandra Yadeum, a legal psychiatric expert working with investigators, told a news conference. "In short, there are characteristics that speak of a mental disorder."
Mexicans expressed their anger over Paulette's death and offered speculation about possible motives.
"What a disgrace," Sol Sanchez, 46, an office worker at a private school in Mexico City, wrote on her Facebook page. "It's an atrocity. It infuriates me."
Uriel Rodriguez, a 24-year-old office worker in Mexico City, surmised that Paulette's parents could have seen their disabled child as a burden, while office worker Georgina Reyes speculated that Farah might have been overwhelmed trying to juggle work and special-needs motherhood.
"But that's no justification," said Reyes, 50. "She had two nannies."
Many expressed cynicism that even if guilty the rich parents would never be convicted.
"Sure enough they're going to nab the poor garbage man or the gardener, and they'll screw them over because they're poor, while they let the rich parents off the hook," wrote a reader on the Reforma newspaper's Web site.
Others urged their fellow citizens to keep an open mind: "They are innocent until proven guilty," another Reforma reader wrote.
Whatever the truth behind Paulette's killing, the news of her disappearance and death has hit a national nerve already jangled by daily tales of bodies hanging from overpasses and ruthless drug cartel hit men spraying army checkpoints with bullets.
"This affects our faith in humanity," said Guadalupe Loaeza, a contemporary Mexican writer and renowned social commentator. "Why kill a child? ... It's monstrous what we are hearing."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100405/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_dead_child