GUILTY FL - Calyx, 16, & Beau Schenecker, 13, shot to death, Tampa, 27 Jan 2011 #3

[Coldpizza]

Good morning!

 

[Abigail]

Yep, I just now found the video with that. I guess the papers edited it. Imo I think it's much more effective with all of it.

Link for afternoon video about 15-20 min. From end of video.

http://new.livestream.com/tampabaytimes/events/2979805/videos/50248171

[/QUOTE]

Thanks for posting that...I missed it yesterday. Watching her break down when asked to stipulate that her children died on 1/27 -- to me, that's not being manipulative -- that's her not wanting to face the reality that she killed her children.

I think she hasn't wanted to accept that. In her interrogation -- she asks about the kids -- "are they ok?" "are they coming later?" -- which may have been concern about their bodies, but may have also been not wanting the realize the enormity of her actions. Especially since, when asked if they're alive or dead, she said "I don't know...I hope so" and then she also mentioned that they were still making noises.

I would love to see an actual copy of the journals -- did she ever actually use the word "dead" or "killed" -- she says she "offed" them...

 

[Coldpizza]

Prosecution rests its case in Schenecker murder trial

In court Wednesday, the jury listened to a taped police interview with Julie Schenecker just hours after the murders of her children. Later in the day, Schenecker became emotional and started crying when the judge directly questioned her about a stipulation in the case.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/new...ticles/bn9/2014/5/7/testimony_to_resume_.html

Julie Schenecker jury hears her interview with police

Schenecker had a half-dozen half-formed replies. She'd loved her children until they reached the age of 6, she told the detectives. But in the last few years, her 16-year-old daughter, Calyx, had become "mouthy" and her 13-year-old son was following suit. "They were really mean," she said, recalling how Calyx threatened to go away to college and never see her mother again. The remark had made her cry, Schenecker said.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...enecker-expected-to-testify-wednesday/2178671

Schenecker Interview in print

http://tbprojects.s3.amazonaws.com/dcloud/dcloud-template.html?doc=1156249-schenecker-interview

 

[Abigail]

She only had good things to say about PS and didn't trash him like some wives would do. I think the only negative comment was when she was in bed 7 weeks and he didn't care.

That's true -- her own mother mentioned that in her email to Parker, in the week before the murder.

 

[Pocono Sleuther]

Is there court today? Stream says unavailable.


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[Rhozwen]

I couldn't find video yet, but when I do I'll post it, til I do here is the text regarding the stipulation from the judge and JS.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/new...ticles/bn9/2014/5/7/testimony_to_resume_.html

From above link:

At the end of the court session today, Judge Emmett L. Battles asked Schenecker directly if she understood and agreed to the stipulation that her children, Beau and Calyx Schenecker died on Jan. 27, 2011.

Julie Schenecker initially said "I've been advised to answer yes."

Battles again asked her if she understood and she became emotional. Battles then asked her defense attorneys to take more time and counsel with their client.

After a short break, he asked again and she responded "Yes, Your Honor."

Link for afternoon video about 15-20 min. From end of video.

http://new.livestream.com/tampabaytimes/events/2979805/videos/50248171

Thank you Ravynne! :loveyou:

Now that I got to view it for myself, I'm even more confused.
The stipulation was something so simple and it didn't need to be complicated to that extent.
Makes me wonder, did she really not understand it, or is that an act?
It seems like she legitimately didn't understand.

 

[Rhozwen]

While I think Julie needs to be found guilty for these murders...I can't just give Parker a pass. It seems help was offered from her family and not exactly welcome...his email seems to be a real trigger for Julie as it was written just days before the murder and he says""For those who have expressed your criticism about how I'm handling the current crisis or how I parent my children … I'll write off your criticism as ignorance,” . I just can't get by his leaving the kids in the house with her. I know the defense is going to ask him about the days leading up to it and I guess he can say just about anything because everyone that knew about that time are dead.

Julie never read that email. Parker sent that mail to various family members.
She asked her family to forward it to her, but they all refused.

 

[turaj]

Maybe he liked to keep her doped up on her meds so he could control her. I think there was a lot more dysfunction going on in this family then we will ever know. Who knows maybe he was like living with a drill sergeant, abusive. Always two sides to the story.

Totally agree...of course PS spoke of none of it really....talking about suicide is not normal "chit chat" and should have been his red flag (as if he did not have many) that we could never be gone and not have someone there responsible. It was one of the things she easily shared with the interviewer and I'm certain it was not the first time she verbalized her wishes. PS knew she wanted to commit suicide.

 

[Rhozwen]

I understand what you are saying, but I am going to withhold judgement of him because nobody truly knew what was going on inside that house other than the 4 people who lived there. If you look at the emails that have been released, you can see where PS was trying to communicate with JS doctors and was getting the kids and the family into counseling. IMO, I don't expect people to understand what it is like to be a homicide survivor unless they are one. Same here. After all, PS served our country with seeming professionalism and grace and we owe him the benefit of the doubt on this one. JMV

:goodpost:

You eloquently put into words my feelings exactly.

 

[Coldpizza]

Trial will resume Friday, May 9th at 8:30am ET.

http://www.wildabouttrial.com/one_off/julie-schenecker-trial-live-stream/

 

[Abigail]

Here's a link to the transcript of the police interview. It's quite valuable reading it (and hearing it) in its entirety - putting comments into context and also a glimpse into her state of mind
http://archive.wtsp.com/assetpool/documents/140507092613_Schenecker police transcript.pdf

 

[turaj]

I can't bash PS because I live in a glass house. It would be unfair of me to even speculate what he has gone through. JMV

Agreed and I hope I don't come off as blaming this on him because I am not...but different actions by all family members with an intervention would mean those kids would be alive...I'm not sure you could ultimately stop her from killing herself but the kids should have been spared. There are other family members too and it is not uncommon for everyone to disagree on how to proceed...but even in emails I just hear PS telling them to back off.

 

[turaj]

Yeah...did he really say that?

As far as the drinking -- in his email to the doctor (Nov 2010, I think) Parker said that it was customary for them to have a glass of wine with dinner, several times a week. So...apparently, she had been able to handle a modest amount of wine when she was on Abilify.

Accdg to PS, It was when the doctor took her off of Abilify (due to the Tardive Dyskenesia, I guess) and switched her to Lithium (in Sept.) that things started to go south. Parker said 3 days after starting Lithium, she got drunk at a family gathering, and he noticed she was drinking a lot at home. He didn't believe JS when she said the doc said she could have 2 glasses of wine with the Lithium, but then found a note from the doc that said just that! :facepalm:

Parker sent repeated emails to the doc, saying Julie wasn't doing well, wasn't getting out of bed, was falling a lot, losing her memory...and apparently the doc did nothing.

That doctor has a lot to answer for.

Well Julie told the detective that about his saying she better get it right the first t ime...it seems most of what she said to the detective checked out exactly...now unless this "doc" recorded the session it would be her word against his so guess we know that probably will not be brought up.

As for the driinking I listened to PS and got the impression that familiy dinners were not that common and he drank once in a while. Julie was not just on any one med...did you see those bottles? And she was not taking them as prescribed at all....again would you want to live with someone who needed these serious meds....and not make sure they were being taken???

The "doc" was a specialist in kids and I am thinking that the defense if they do their job will not be helping him in his future practice. While I realize the hippa stuff this "doc" should have been working much more with PS...but again only have a small snippet of the story here and hope to learn more.

 

[LambChop]

That's was a lot of responsibility for a very sick woman alcohol and drug problems included to cook, run errands and hold down the fort for 10 days especially with your own children bullying you. I don't care if she said "I got it" he knew the problems in that family and what a sick unreliable puppy she was.

She was a train wreck waiting to happen. Didn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

PS couldn't just take the children away from her. No doctor reported she was dangerous to her children from what we know. PS tried to get information from the doctor but she would not permit the doctor to tell him anything. I do think he was handling it because he had arranged for the daughter to go to a private boarding school. Regardless of whether he removed the children from the home or not unless there was a report he could take to court that said she was a danger to the children she would still be entitled to see them and could have killed them at that time.

To me, it appears she wanted to get back at PS the only way she could because she feared he was going to divorce her and take the kids (they would not have stayed with her by their own choice) so she may have killed them out of spite.

If the judge told her in court he was not playing games with her, he has her number. She does understand what is being said because she reacts. She reacted when PS called her "the defendant". She clearly did not like that coming from him. jmo

 

[turaj]

Julie never read that email. Parker sent that mail to various family members.
She asked her family to forward it to her, but they all refused.

Yes I re=read some of those emails at the end. While she did not get the exact email she KNEW that PS had sent something out to family without her knowing and that is just as destructive if not more so.

 

[turaj]

In going over the emails Parker's email to family is stunning to me and reflects how he looks at things. I could not just copy it but it is like this: "I don't need folks taking shots or lobbing grenades over the wall at me or my children. What I don't need is your judgment unless you want to come into the foxhole and fight!

He mentions Julie needing to "help herself". I think he is looking at this from a military standpoint and some sort of war (which it is) and he has a fundamental lack of knowledge about true mental illness as so many do. I have seen on other forums people saying she should have checked herself in rather than buy the gun. Does anyone really think that JS wanted deep down to do this? I don't. But she is guilty.

 

[turaj]

Also in the emails it is clear that Dave Powers really tried with his sister and from that family I think in a number of ways predicted a tradegy. He mentioned in one of PS being gone....and concern. He sits in court looking at all of this trying to figure out what he could have done differently...I imagine they all do. What takes a person like JS who was clearly suicidal from just killing herself to killing both kids? Many people commit suicide which is horrible and I would bet the family knew could happen but this?

 

[turaj]

PS has filed or will file a wrongful death civil suit I believe. What will that do for him? She has no assets but I would think there must be a reason? Proceeds from the house which I believe has not been sold yet? Just wondering as I would assume he would/should get away from this legal stuff and start healing. And I know he does some things towards that but I mean just get away for awhile.

 

[Liebchenmutti]

PS couldn't just take the children away from her. No doctor reported she was dangerous to her children from what we know. PS tried to get information from the doctor but she would not permit the doctor to tell him anything. I do think he was handling it because he had arranged for the daughter to go to a private boarding school. Regardless of whether he removed the children from the home or not unless there was a report he could take to court that said she was a danger to the children she would still be entitled to see them and could have killed them at that time.

To me, it appears she wanted to get back at PS the only way she could because she feared he was going to divorce her and take the kids (they would not have stayed with her by their own choice) so she may have killed them out of spite.

If the judge told her in court he was not playing games with her, he has her number. She does understand what is being said because she reacts. She reacted when PS called her "the defendant". She clearly did not like that coming from him. jmo

I believe JS is a game player--she is a smart cookie! She's an expert in interrogation in the military; I have bipolar disorder & have 3 young children. Believe me, I've had problems with medications, times when I was severely depressed, etc. The bottom line is that if you have ANY illness, and you are an adult, it is YOUR responsibility to take care of it. You may not blame your kids for acting like kids as the reason you are a wreck.

Drinking alcohol and eating bottles of Oxycontin is NOT a symptom of bipolar disorder, and it is evidence that she had no interest in controlling her mental illness.

Her mugshot & "perp walk" displays a woman who had it together enough to go get her hair highlighted--let me tell you, if you were so desperately ill that you could not care for your kids, you would not have the energy needed to visit a salon! (And you are also not capable enough to go to a drugstore & buy Clairol & then do it yourself).

I get a sense that JS is highly manipulative, that she uses her illness to control and punish her family, and that she is filled with rage. She is putting on an act in court. Bipolar disorder does not make you incoherent--and please be aware that SHE IS ON MEDICATION RIGHT NOW. That will ensure that she is NOT PSYCHOTIC--so her confusion is just an act.

Suicide is the leading cause of death in people with Bipolar disorder--homicide is exceedingly rare. I was diagnosed at age 18 with severe bipolar--and I've noticed that murderers like to pretend that this disorder "makes" you murder children. That's total BS. You fluctuate (when unmedicated) from severe depression to manic states (either euphoria or extreme irritability).

JS was also on medication at the time of the murders. She kept it together so well at "Lock & Load" that she was sold a firearm and hollow point bullets that she planned to shoot her kids with. She needs to go to prison for the rest of her pathetic life.

JMO!:loveyou:

 

[Jewels53]

I am upset that people think that PS could have fixed JS or could have seen this coming. JS has to be helpful in her own treatment of her MI. JS needed to be compliant in the taking of her med and cooperating in the family counseling. I personally use a weekly (daily) medicine box, otherwise I might forget to take my meds.

There were 4 members of the Schenecker household they are the one's that truly knew what went on inside those 4 walls, not any of us. I think it is easy for us to judge, but we didn't live their life's. I know this by my own MI, and how people on the outside didn't really know how much I suffered. At times you learn how to hide how you really feel. I believe PS knew how JS manipulated things in that house hold, and he seems like he is cold and he really is not.

My DH is of the belief that you take a pill go to counseling and you should be cured. I still love him though he doesn't truly understand he still supports me.

jmo