The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 9th July - Trial Day 17

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whatif? said:
Hi Liadan, I could listen to him all day no problems. I personally didn't see any finger pointing going on and while I didn't mind listening to JB alot of the legal jargon went way over my head.
It was nice to meet you Kiwijayne, Snails and Itsthevibe.
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It was nice to meet you too! Plus Freya, Snails and Itsthevibe
 
Timmy said:
How did the evidence compare with the evidence in this trial? Was it mostly circumstantial ? That is an awful responsibility!
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Timmy, all facts pointed to murder, but near the end of the trial (when he was backed into a corner), he changed his plea to manslaughter. I thought GBC might have done the same - silly me. I should have known that he wouldn't fess up to anything. Anyway in my case, we still made a guilty verdict, but I can assure you that all the jury was distressed, vomiting, crying etc etc. Before we faced the court with our verdict, we spent a few minutes having a group hug and telling jokes. Sounds disrespectful now, but it was survival for us. After the trial we heard that he had previously been suspected or charged - I can't remember - with attempted murder of someone else.
 
Fuskier said:
I wondered if OBW knew something that we didn't when she came to court today smiling. My opinion only.
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I couldn't cope if there were jury tampering. That is protraction of the whole lie. My opinion only.
 
UnfoldingTruth said:
So this theory means you are going with the premeditated angle? I swing between the two at times. Sometimes I think it was preplanned for some time(just not when etc), Other times I think it was planned, but only in the hours or possible day or so before Allisons death. Occasionally I think maybe it was a spare of the moment thing. But given all the evidence I am thinking there was definitely intent and leaning towards premeditated.( I definitely think there was thought about it being a way out when he was stuck in this bind with all the pressures- but whether he actually seriously thought of doing it with the intention of carrying it through- that I sway on sometimes)
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To me it seems like it might have been something he thought about at times, then things reached a pinnacle and he actually carried it out.
 
Thinking said:
I agree with this - and it is also why he ditched the phone at that stage - he was going with the random stranger story at the start. IMO the suicide story came either from his family or his defence team or both.
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I think the same. He forgot to take the rings off though. Might have at least looked like robbery.
 
BreakingNews said:
Timmy, all facts pointed to murder, but near the end of the trial (when he was backed into a corner), he changed his plea to manslaughter. I thought GBC might have done the same - silly me. I should have known that he wouldn't fess up to anything. Anyway in my case, we still made a guilty verdict, but I can assure you that all the jury was distressed, vomiting, crying etc etc. Before we faced the court with our verdict, we spent a few minutes having a group hug and telling jokes. Sounds disrespectful now, but it was survival for us. After the trial we heard that he had previously been suspected or charged - I can't remember - with attempted murder of someone else.
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Wow that is so awful. I'm really sorry you went through that. I would be a complete mess having to come to such a decision!
 
BreakingNews said:
Timmy, all facts pointed to murder, but near the end of the trial (when he was backed into a corner), he changed his plea to manslaughter. I thought GBC might have done the same - silly me. I should have known that he wouldn't fess up to anything. Anyway in my case, we still made a guilty verdict, but I can assure you that all the jury was distressed, vomiting, crying etc etc. Before we faced the court with our verdict, we spent a few minutes having a group hug and telling jokes. Sounds disrespectful now, but it was survival for us. After the trial we heard that he had previously been suspected or charged - I can't remember - with attempted murder of someone else.
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Certainly sounds like an experience that would stay with you for a life time.
 
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http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226982264933
 
Amee said:
He said there was a vacuum in the boot of a Holden Commodore sedan.

He said he tested the vacuum and obtained a weak TMB reaction, but put it down to rust.

He said he received a negative reaction after testing for blood on the brush.

Sen-Constable Streeting said he could also perform a confirmatory test to determine whether a blood sample was human or from an animal.


The jury was shown a photo of the interior of the Holden Captiva.

He said there may have been botanical evidence taken from the car.

Sen-Sgt Taylor said a vacuum device was used to search for scientific evidence in the car.

http://m.news.com.au/QLD/fi11757133.htm

sorry to post this again but the vacuum talk makes me want to :banghead:
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Can anyone explain this part... May have been.... I don't understand this!
 
Question for the fangirls :D
I am trying to remember in order of what Todd Fullers name given is on here... help.. I know its starts with Stonecold.... and there's a 'fox' in there somewhere.
 
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