Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #1

[Dr. Know?]

I think the main thing JRH had on his mind was sexual gratification in some way, some form, etc...His hormones were jacking. jmo Does not need to be drugs or meds to induce this on a male with no problems. Tested and proven. Fact.

Stupid, stupid axx dude. He forgot about Cooper. jmo

 

[gngr~snap]

Honestly, does this FBS only apply in cars?
Do people leave their babies in restaurants, drug stores and malls for hours before remembering? Having false memories of dropping the child off at day care?
I haven't heard about it
but that's not really news worthy if they did.
I'm sure the police would be invoved and
"I forgot " wouldn't be accepted in those situations.

If there was a mandatory minimum sentence to be served for leaving a child in a hot car long enough for it to require medical attention, do you think people would pay more attention?
I think the numbers would drop significantly. Suddenly the cell phone or whatever was going on in their life would be less important than avoiding jail time.

not possible, I know.

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[danzn16]

I don't have kids either but I do have 2 dogs that I just love, and when they ride with me, I have them in their cage, in the back, (I drive a SUV) and like you, I look back to see how they are doing, and when I take a long drive and I have to stop and get gas or go to the bathroom, I'M ALWAYS AWARE THEY ARE IN THE CAR, ALWAYS ... So, like you said, A CHILD??? NO WAY!!!!

I don't have a child either so I almost feel as if I can't form an opinion because I have never been in a parents shoes. However I did have to travel with my cat often, traveling back and forth 2 hour trips in college. You better believe I never forgot he was in there. When I had to stop at a rest area in the summer to use the restroom I brought him in his carrier into the bathroom with me because the car would get immensely hot in even the couple of minutes it took. Yes I felt like a crazy cat lady doing that but there's no way you couldn't have me not have done that, even with the no pets allowed signs in the rest stops lol. So this is as close as I can come to taking care of a child in a car and even then it's not an everyday travel kind of thing so I still just can't put myself in his shoes. But I really just don't understand how that could happen. And I definitely don't understand how he acted afterwards.


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[cluciano63]

Honestly, does this FBS only apply in cars?
Do people leave their babies in restaurants, drug stores and malls for hours before remembering? Having false memories of dropping the child off at day care?
I haven't heard about it
but that's not really news worthy if they did.
I'm sure the police would be invoved and
"I forgot " wouldn't be accepted in those situations.

If there was a mandatory minimum sentence to be served for leaving a child in a hot car long enough for it to require medical attention, do you think people would pay more attention?
I think the numbers would drop significantly. Suddenly the cell phone or whatever was going on in their life would be less important than avoiding jail time.

not possible, I know.



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Well, statistically the number of cases is small, really and some parents or caretakers leave the kids knowingly, so the number who claim forgetfulness would be even lower. But yes, there should be a mandatory punishment regardless of the circumstances, Imo, and even higher for those who do it knowingly (i.e go shopping, to a casino, get hair done, etc.) and then obviously, if on purpose, something else altogether, Imo
But overall, the numbers are very small compared to other ways children die in ways that could be seen as neglectful. Jmo

 

[Venom]

I've been thinking about forgetting leaving kids in cars a lot lately, trying to wrap my head around it...and I just can't. I don't get how it could happen, tie a string on your finger, a post it note on your shifter; how does one completely forget a kid in the car? Much less after 30-40 seconds?
A few years ago in my area a toddler died in the family's van. The dad was some kind of minister, they came home from church and mom took the 3 older kids in and dad was to bring in the toddler and a package. Well he brought in the package and forgot her. They just assumed she was in her room until one of the other children went in looking for her.
How do these kind of things happen?

 

[Dr. Know?]

Well, statistically the number of cases is small, really and some parents or caretakers leave the kids knowingly, so the number who claim forgetfulness would be even lower. But yes, there should be a mandatory punishment regardless of the circumstances, Imo, and even higher for those who do it knowingly (i.e go shopping, to a casino, get hair done, etc.) and then obviously, if on purpose, something else altogether, Imo
But overall, the numbers are very small compared to other ways children die in ways that could be seen as neglectful. Jmo
But iverall

I feel I'm finding it here, much more questioned, thank goodness. It doesn't always happen due to stupidity, neglect or whatever?

Interesting to delve in deeper about. with time...

 

[RainCheck]

There should be a mandatory minimum sentence for all parents who "forget" their children in a hot car. Depending on circumstances, punishment would be lighter or more severe. For example, if you were inside smoking pot or sexting underage girls and that's why you "forgot" you should get a much harsher sentence than a frazzled mother who truly forgot and went to work. If it's proven the parent did it purposely, they should receive life in prison or the DP. Children are not disposable, they are not restaurant leftovers, they have human beings. There is no other situation where you could accidentally kill a child by claiming you "forgot" them and suffer no legal consequences. If you forget your child in a bathtub and they drown you are going to get in trouble! If you forget your child at a store you and they don't even get hurt, you are going to be charged! Why in the world can you forget a child in a hot car, where a they suffer Hell on Earth before they die, and then say you forgot and all is forgiven?! It's heinous this is being allowed to happen up to 50 times a year with only a tiny fraction of the parents ever actually seeing any time in prison. Until something changes, this will continue to be an easy way to murder a baby or toddler and get away with it. I don't think Cooper Harris would have died in that car that day if his father believed he may go to prison for it.

 

[Ruby]

Following along the Forgotten Baby Syndrome -
I know a married couple who both forgot their child at the babysitters, even after they got home later on in the evening from work (I was at their house).
It was only a four person business, we worked together - the couple, myself and one other person.
The babysitter was my sister, so I should of been the reminder (all day/evening) of their child.
When I was leaving to go home (from their own house) I asked who's going to be picking up their son?
They both looked dumbfounded and shocked, they both didn't think about him not being there. They both forgot about their son.

Even though they went back to their own home from work, being in an environment of where the child lived, toys all around etc.
Plus I was with them which should of been a reminder that my sister had their son. They still forgot.
They couldn't even use the excuse, I thought you picked him up, because they were together all day.
Would not have believed it if it wasn't for my very own experience.

I may have a little different perspective of someone forgetting their child due to this, but personally, I still don't quite get it.
I know the outcome (Rest in peace Cooper) and circumstances (left in hot car) are different, but the act of forgetting your child was not.
This couple both forgot, not intentionally, and no harm was done. I'm glad their boy was not misplaced elsewhere.

 

[Donjeta]

Has it actually been stated that JRH asked to be dropped at his car to put his lightbulbs inside? I initially thought that his friends probably suggested it, "hey we're pulling right by, why don't we drop you here instead?" And he didn't have a reason to say no to them. I don't necessarily think it was a plan on his part at all. MOO

Didn't the friends testify at the PCH that he asked them to?

Victor Blackwell CNN @VictorCNN
Hall: nothing unusual about how Harris asked me to drop him off at his car after lunch. #HotCarDeath
10:41 PM - 3 Jul 2014 Marietta, GA, United States

This is what a cnn reporter tweeted about it. I'm too lazy to pull the transcripts right now.

Jmo and I am well aware of being in the minority but I think it is possible this is when he realized he had forgotten to drop off Cooper. And spent the afternoon deciding how he would deal with it. Or maybe even as he approached the car after lunch, it hit him, which might be why he did not look back, if he did not. A d was so quick about it. He knew what he would see. Jmo anyway. Just not 100% on premediated.

Oh but wouldn't every normal parent's response be to go check him out, see if he was breathing, take him out of the car, call for help, call 911, do CPR and anything to see if he could still be rescued? At that point he hadn't been dead for so long. He'd still be a major modsnip who cared more about his own azz than his son's well being

Question: How would they know that the adjustment was the tightest one, I mean, know that independent of what Ross told them? It was Ross who undid it and placed him on the pavement. I know zero about child car seats, but I'm sure most posters are familiar with them. TY JMO

Well, there were witnesses at the scene who would presumably have seen if Ross had tampered with the seat strap adjustment after taking Cooper out of the car, so it seems like when the police examined the car seat it must have been the same adjustment as when Cooper was in it. In all car seats that I'm familiar with, you have to take the seat out and possibly remove the textil covers in order to change which slots the straps go through.

 

[momrids6]

If you do not pick up your child from after school care here and don't call by a specific time (car broke down, emergency) LE is called.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Well, there were witnesses at the scene who would presumably have seen if Ross had tampered with the seat strap adjustment after taking Cooper out of the car, so it seems like when the police examined the car seat it must have been the same adjustment as when Cooper was in it. In all car seats that I'm familiar with, you have to take the seat out and possibly remove the textil covers in order to change which slots the straps go through.

respectfully snipped

Thanks for pointing that out, maybe others will understand now.

 

[gngr~snap]

O/T

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world...with-air-algerie-flight-in-africa_949807.html

ANOTHER MISSING PLANE

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[CHERIE.T]

what? oh no.

 

[popsicle]

Following along the Forgotten Baby Syndrome -
I know a married couple who both forgot their child at the babysitters, even after they got home later on in the evening from work (I was at their house).
It was only a four person business, we worked together - the couple, myself and one other person.
The babysitter was my sister, so I should of been the reminder (all day/evening) of their child.
When I was leaving to go home (from their own house) I asked who's going to be picking up their son?
They both looked dumbfounded and shocked, they both didn't think about him not being there. They both forgot about their son.

Even though they went back to their own home from work, being in an environment of where the child lived, toys all around etc.
Plus I was with them which should of been a reminder that my sister had their son. They still forgot.
They couldn't even use the excuse, I thought you picked him up, because they were together all day.
Would not have believed it if it wasn't for my very own experience.

I may have a little different perspective of someone forgetting their child due to this, but personally, I still don't quite get it.
I know the outcome (Rest in peace Cooper) and circumstances (left in hot car) are different, but the act of forgetting your child was not.
This couple both forgot, not intentionally, and no harm was done. I'm glad their boy was not misplaced elsewhere.

I would say you were more a reminder of work. jmo

 

[Edwards20]

BTW, guess who remembered to read this thread backwards :happydance:

I think I need to start doing this. I am now using Tapatalk. Love the mobile accessibility, but the app is glitchy IMO. Have uninstalled/reinstalled twice. First time it would freeze, this time it does not bold thread titles and go to first unread post.


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[JerseyGirl]

http://www.myajc.com/videos/news/myajc-exclusive-ajc-reporter-discusses-covering/vCg8rN/

Video of first reporter on the scene. About 1:45 in on the video she says a Police Spokesman had some information to share a little after 5:00 p.m.

I'm wondering if that is about the time Harris was sitting in the back of the police car.

 

[EvilSoup]

I think I need to start doing this. I am now using Tapatalk. Love the mobile accessibility, but the app is glitchy IMO. Have uninstalled/reinstalled twice. First time it would freeze, this time it does not bold thread titles and go to first unread post.


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Sorry for the o/t.

 

[cady]

IMO Ross asked to be picked up to go to lunch, asked to be taken to HD to buy light bulbs so that he could have a reason to ask to be dropped off at his car to stash them, all for the purpose of being able to check to see if it was a "mission accomplished". I also think that RH really did "dread" the visuals of his deed, which is why the witness was the one trying CPR and RH was on the phone avoiding seeing or touching Cooper. Putting a supposedly "choking" baby on frying pan HOT pavement may have been not such a good idea for the "visuals" either. JMO

 

[MissJ]

I happened to be at a casino close to Memphis that has a daycare. If you don't pick up your child at the correct time LE will be waiting for you when you do show up and you will be arrested for neglect. Entirely appropriate, IMO. Neglect is neglect..forgetting or not. What about a mother that forgets to feed her child or forgets him in the bathtub? Neglect. Forgetting shouldn't be an excuse.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I completely agree Cady.