VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #6

[thinksalot]

Respectfully snipped for focus.



This only leaves 6 minutes between HG getting her drink and her last text to friends. According to this timeline she very well could have been with JLM when this transpired.

Food for thought at the very least.

I'm starting to think she wrote that last text as she sat in Tempo with him.

 

[Samantharock]

Im starting to think, despite him being viewed as a good person, and decent citizen, that he was still somehow involved and sometimes alcohol makes good people do bad things.. Maybe JM sent that text message as a Ruse for LE, in order to make them think she was not in the same area as him in an attempt to establish an alibi

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

IMO, we need to entertain all possibilities. I live in a glass house. I have 3 young adult children that are far from perfect, but know right from wrong and STILL have made poor choices. I never in my wildest imagination expected to have to deal with some of the things I have had to deal with. Those that know me here, know what I am referring to.

I have to wonder if HG went to the mall to find someone to hook her up. She was headed to another party and perhaps had offered to bring "something". Maybe JM knew of someone who could hook her up with what she was seeking. Maybe He made that introduction and left. Maybe not. Maybe JM does not want to incriminate himself or a friend.

I apologize if I have offended anyone by stating this possibility, but it is a possibility. Unfortunately. JMV

Many of us have considered that a possibility. My question to you would simply be: What difference does that make? Hannah would still be a victim. Shaming a victim of crime based upon their lifestyle choices is just not ok in my opinion. She did nothing to deserve this. Whether she was drinking or not, doing drugs or not, Hannah should still be at UVA going to class and living her life. Now let's get to the real question: Who is responsible for her not to be doing those things? Who is causing her to be unaccounted for?


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[Samantharock]

JM was walking on foot in a direction away from Tempo, Runs into HG, makes a complete 180, Then instead of continuing to his destination where he was walking to, he drives away? Seems suspect

 

[Eileen730]

Thanks, but that's from the Daily Mail, which has proven to be unreliable. Have you seen that stated anywhere else? I don't recall seeing that said before.

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Hmm I thought the Daily Mail was pretty good. For being across the pond they find out more than the local news does.
But that's JMO

 

[song22]

IMO, if the POIs are taking to the police, that's a huge step forward. I hope that everyone is cooperating. If you are innocent, why would you not help in anyway you can? On another note, if WG or DG do not have anything to do with her disappearance, then who does? I would love to see a list of WS POIs, not just LE's.

I want to know more about the assaults--the one on Wertland and the one on the Cville resident. The first one was beaten unconscious. That sounds like an extremely violent perp. Whoever that is would be on my list of suspects for sure.

 

[Claudia]

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Hmm I thought the Daily Mail was pretty good. For being across the pond they find out more than the local news does.
But that's JMO

I view them more as a tabloid than a reliable news source. JMO

 

[Dixie811]

@TrueCrimeSleuth-- if it turns out that you do believe you saw JM at the football practice Saturday morning, please contact LE. They will be very interested to talk to anyone who saw JM just hours after Hannah disappeared.

Unrelated-- I have had this gut feeling that perhaps Hannah was sniffling/softly crying while walking around the mall area. Possibly out of frustration if she was feeling lost. IMO, that would explain why WG felt she was physically distressed and was prompted to follow her and also perhaps why JM noticed her from across the grassy area and went to catch up to her. I am not totally sure whether either of these men had good intentions or bad at this point... but her showing vulnerability like that would certainly attract both white knights and predators.

 

[Madison418]

Any guy who slithers up to a much younger, intoxicated girl and *puts his hands on her* sets off my creeper alert. In that footage he was very clearly leading Hannah somewhere, and quickly. Upthread someone mentioned how they only saw one case w/ out the suspect having red flags, and listed no "weird behaviors." I find his behavior on camera to be very weird and very concerning. How nice he seems to be, how cool, how caring, etc. doesn't matter one bit. He may not be someone who planned to kill a girl but he could have accidentally killed her and hid her body.

I thought from the second I saw him on video that something was off about his presence. I personally wouldn't trust anyone with that kind of charisma and overly friendly behavior but that's because I'm not very trusting and I would be wondering what there ulterior motive is.

 

[Zuri]

Many of us have considered that a possibility. My question to you would simply be: What difference does that make? Hannah would still be a victim. Shaming a victim of crime based upon their lifestyle choices is just not ok in my opinion. She did nothing to deserve this. Whether she was drinking or not, doing drugs or not, Hannah should still be at UVA going to class and living her life. Now let's get to the real question: Who is responsible for her not to be doing those things? Who is causing her to be unaccounted for?


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This is not meant as victim shaming. I thought I made that perfectly clear. IMO LE needs to be looking at all possibilities, including known dealers in the area. That is what I was implying.

 

[Samantharock]

Also, the area behind that strip they were on is not nearly as nice and active as where she was, so if she did leave on foot and ventured here anything may have happened

 

[TTF14]

Many of us have considered that a possibility. My question to you would simply be: What difference does that make? Hannah would still be a victim. Shaming a victim of crime based upon their lifestyle choices is just not ok in my opinion. She did nothing to deserve this. Whether she was drinking or not, doing drugs or not, Hannah should still be at UVA going to class and living her life. Now let's get to the real question: Who is responsible for her not to be doing those things? Who is causing her to be unaccounted for?


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How was that victim shaming? The poster was just bringing up the possibility that another person could be part of the equation here (a drug dealer).

 

[SuperTmo]

So they have something for sure that we just don't know about. Hm...

I personally think it is surveillance footage of her in the car. Edit: Something led them to THAT orange car, and once there, lo and behold, the owner matched the description of the POI the LE had identified (but that doesn't mean they relayed the exact description of the POI to the media for strategy's sake). And then lo and behold, he admitted to being w/ Hannah.

 

[raeann]

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I don't think giving her a ride would be a good choice - maybe inconspicuously calling the cops to come to the bar and have the cops get her home safely. At least, I probably would have done that.

UVA has....as do MOST major universities....a safe ride program through campus security PLUS a free cab ride program. Students and locals are well aware of these programs. A concerned adult with only good intentions would have called immediately for one of those services. NO good intentioned person would take a highly intoxicated young women into a bar to purchase MORE alcohol. JMO and link to UVA safety info is below.

ww.virginia.edu/deanofstudents/accessuva/safety/

 

[TTF14]

This is not meant as victim shaming. I thought I made that perfectly clear. IMO LE needs to be looking at all possibilities, including known dealers in the area. That is what I was implying.

BBM. You did.

 

[Samantharock]

Search organizers said they "found some things" and generated new tips that will help police.

Do you have a link to this story please?

 

[KaylynnCouture]

Thanks, but that's from the Daily Mail, which has proven to be unreliable. Have you seen that stated anywhere else? I don't recall seeing that said before.

The quote re: buying her drinks but not driving off with her came from Jesse Matthew's grandmother. It's been circulating around several outlets. The exact quote his grandmother gave was:

"Matthew’s grandmother, Christine Carr, told MailOnline on Saturday: ‘I have been talking with his mother. ‘He said he went his way and she went hers. He told his mother he bought her some drinks. He said she did not get into his car. ‘The girl went her way and he went his.’ "

(From http://www.georgianewsday.com/news/...with-her-in-his-car.html#sthash.3ypSe7kB.dpuf)

 

[klily444]

So is LJ the guy who frequently sits at the mall and writes in a notebook? Or did the people who were saying that have him confused with someone else?

Also, didn't Longo say something about when LJ and HG left Tempo, witnesses saw someone get into LJ's car, then get out, and then get back in again - and Longo was looking for other witnesses who could corroborate that? I keep wondering what that was all about...did HG try to get out of the car, but was forced back in?

My interpretation of what Longo meant is that LJM got out of his car at the mall and got back in it at the same place and someone had to see him leaving.

 

[cluciano63]

Hoping LE is also considering the attacker from the same neighborhood. Right now, with the wacky description they put out, which does not match JM, they had better find some rock solid evidence if they hope to charge and convict him. This does not sound like one of those cases where they can proceed without finding a victim. They need a crime scene, some blood, some proof of violence or abuse, a witness or co-conspirator, etc...for that type of a case.

Jmo, if nothing pointing to Hannah is found in his car or home, he has no real incentive to speak, guilty or not. I think Hannah will need to be found by searchers or by a citizen out on a walk. And it may be too late to determine cause of death or get lucky with DNA. I am kind of nervous. Police can be as determined as possible yet still not succeed.

 

[divinedragon]

Ok. I apologize. I misspoke. He has the moral responsibility to come forward. Not being forthcoming with information in a missing persons case isn't in his best interest either, it makes him look like he's hiding something.. Can they get him for impeding an investigation, or obstruction of justice?

No apology necessary. I was just trying to clarify.

I agree. If he has nothing to hide, he should be sharing everything he knows.
I believe he would have to do something along the lines of destroying evidence to be obstructing justice.

BTW. My gut is telling me he is not responsible for her disappearance. I'm not an expert at sleuthing so wouldn't be surprised if I am proven wrong in the end.