Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/17-11/18/14 In recess

[AZlawyer]

I think that people like her and Nurmi want us to buy what they're selling, including this extremely utilitarian view of relationships and community. IMO, everything can't be reduced to moral equivalence. This is not about emotion. Some POV's are unethical and wrong. Look what this way of thinking has done to the court system and to victims.

Yes, I so agree, it is painful to watch and to listen to this tripe. I think as long as one is a decent human being, it will always be that way.

I tried for several years to get the State Bar of AZ to adopt a new Creed of Professionalism that I wrote. I thought we should make the creed very simple and clear and direct about how we should act like decent human beings. Didn't work lol.

Proposed creed:

Preamble
As a lawyer I must strive to make our system of justice work fairly and efficiently. In order to carry out that responsibility, I will comply with the letter and spirit of the disciplinary standards applicable to all lawyers and I will conduct myself in accordance with the following Creed of Professionalism.

1. I will be courteous, civil, honest and dignified in all situations in which I am presenting myself as a lawyer, regardless of whether I am engaged in the representation of a client, including in all oral and written communications.

2. I will be loyal to my client’s cause, but I will not permit that loyalty to interfere with my ability to provide objective and independent advice, or with my professional obligations as a lawyer;

3. I will provide my client with realistic assessments of the benefits and costs of significant proposed actions and the likely outcomes under all fee arrangements offered to the client;

4. I will advise my client that it is not appropriate for me to manifest hostility toward any other participant in the client’s legal matter, or to act with any goal other than the expeditious resolution of good-faith disputes;

5. I will discuss with my client when necessary any outside pressures of which I become aware that might impact the client’s legal decisions, including, for example, emotional or financial stress, poor health, or family strife;

6. I will cooperate with opposing counsel, opposing parties and tribunals in matters of scheduling and will strive to appear in a timely manner for all scheduled proceedings;

7. I will resolve by agreement or stipulation wherever possible reasonable requests for extension of time, minor evidentiary objections, and all other matters that do not prejudice my client’s position on the merits;

8. I will avoid communications reflecting a lack of respect for the judiciary, clients, other persons involved in legal proceedings, or the legal system in general, except when necessary in a good-faith effort to raise or resolve issues; and

9. I will endeavor to devote uncompensated time to public service, the improvement or administration of justice, and/or the causes of those persons who cannot afford adequate legal assistance.



ETA: We do already have a creed. It's just so long and so full of minutiae that no one reads it.

 

[wenwe4]

It was Tony...

For AZL's help in getting his lost computer returned intact? (That would be awesome!)

 

[Zuri]

At the 3:51 mark she starts naming off people who are supporting her. Did anyone catch those names?

It sounds like Pandora, Maria, Becky, Sten, and Cougarloucious. I may be way off here - I was just wondering.

Isn't it kind of odd that the Mitigation Specialist is involved with donation sites? Is this allowed or normal?

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

Zuri, you are right about Juan, and you're being very kind as far as Dr. F goes. I think she's more than misguided. At best, she wasn't shown all the evidence or missed some critical points in the huge amount of evidence she studied. At worst, she knowingly excluded and twisted much of it. An example is the email from the young girl's father where he requested folks stop emailing her. She stated she wasn't sure if it was a mass mailing after insinuating the father sent that message to Travis alone. She meant the jury to believe Travis was "interested" in young girls. I believe she knows absolutely the pedo claims are gross canards (ugly and untruthful ducks, lol).

I dislike the fact that she thinks she can read the minds of any individual that has written something in an email or text. No one can do that! And for her to go on about "what Travis was thinking" is ludicrous IMO

 

[wenwe4]

Isn't it kind of odd that the Mitigation Specialist is involved with donation sites? Is this allowed or normal?

Right?

IIRC, isn't Ms. Cougarloucious a Social Worker?

I just looked, she has a Masters in Ed., previous hx of child support enforcement, probation officer, victim advocate and now mitigation specialist.

 

[AZlawyer]

Isn't it kind of odd that the Mitigation Specialist is involved with donation sites? Is this allowed or normal?

I don't think it's not allowed. But not normal. And not too professional IMO if it's true.

 

[katiecoolady]

Holy crap! I just walked into my office and you were completely serious! I assumed this was a "virtual" Edible Arrangement but here it is!! :great: Thank you so much!!! :loveyou:

That's so sweet! I wasn't in on it but am so glad others acknowledged you for all you do for us ! I'll be doing so as well...in my own way. :clink!:

 

[katiecoolady]

Right?

IIRC, isn't Ms. Cougarloucious a Social Worker?

Believe it or not...and grab your BARF BAGS RIGHT NOW.

She used to be a Victim's Advocate.

 

[Zuri]

Right?

IIRC, isn't Ms. Cougarloucious a Social Worker?

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/maria-delarosa/4/31a/800

I don't know. But at one time was a Victim Advocate.

 

[MeeBee]

I guess I try to rationalize as it makes it less painful for me. I am trying to take the emotion out of it and look at this more from that viewpoint. I also am trying to see this from a juror's viewpoint as they have not heard the other evidence.

I am not "setting the bar so low". I am trying to see this from another viewpoint. At times, I think we pile on people because they dare to have a different POV.

Yes, I agree with you zuri. While what she is saying is...off, several people who are there, including Jen and Beth Karas, say she comes off as professional. So I think we're missing something in these tweets that's not coming through to us. She may well be coming off well, when you take her off the wall interpretations out of it. It won't be hard for Juan to destroy her credibility. But no sign that she comes off as an ALV, either, in outward appearances, at least. We'll see.

And I too try (not always great at it, I admit) and keep my emotions out of things and see them as they are. There's this interpretation that in doing so that places you on the "wrong" side of the truth.

 

[katiecoolady]

For AZL's help in getting his lost computer returned intact? (That would be awesome!)

Hey while she's at it, let's find Dr. DeMarte's laptop too.

I just live up the road and am always up for a good caper.

 

[katiecoolady]

I tried for several years to get the State Bar of AZ to adopt a new Creed of Professionalism that I wrote. I thought we should make the creed very simple and clear and direct about how we should act like decent human beings. Didn't work lol.

Proposed creed:

Preamble
As a lawyer I must strive to make our system of justice work fairly and efficiently. In order to carry out that responsibility, I will comply with the letter and spirit of the disciplinary standards applicable to all lawyers and I will conduct myself in accordance with the following Creed of Professionalism.

1. I will be courteous, civil, honest and dignified in all situations in which I am presenting myself as a lawyer, regardless of whether I am engaged in the representation of a client, including in all oral and written communications.

2. I will be loyal to my client’s cause, but I will not permit that loyalty to interfere with my ability to provide objective and independent advice, or with my professional obligations as a lawyer;

3. I will provide my client with realistic assessments of the benefits and costs of significant proposed actions and the likely outcomes under all fee arrangements offered to the client;

4. I will advise my client that it is not appropriate for me to manifest hostility toward any other participant in the client’s legal matter, or to act with any goal other than the expeditious resolution of good-faith disputes;

5. I will discuss with my client when necessary any outside pressures of which I become aware that might impact the client’s legal decisions, including, for example, emotional or financial stress, poor health, or family strife;

6. I will cooperate with opposing counsel, opposing parties and tribunals in matters of scheduling and will strive to appear in a timely manner for all scheduled proceedings;

7. I will resolve by agreement or stipulation wherever possible reasonable requests for extension of time, minor evidentiary objections, and all other matters that do not prejudice my client’s position on the merits;

8. I will avoid communications reflecting a lack of respect for the judiciary, clients, other persons involved in legal proceedings, or the legal system in general, except when necessary in a good-faith effort to raise or resolve issues; and

9. I will endeavor to devote uncompensated time to public service, the improvement or administration of justice, and/or the causes of those persons who cannot afford adequate legal assistance.



ETA: We do already have a creed. It's just so long and so full of minutiae that no one reads it.

You're amazing.

 

[Zuri]

That's so sweet! I wasn't in on it but am so glad others acknowledged you for all you do for us ! I'll be doing so as well...in my own way. :clink!:

Yeah, you were in on it from the get go.

 

[wenwe4]

So Cougarloucious doesn't really have a professional organization or ethical standards she needs to uphold that I can find. I'm not sure if there is a licensing requirement in AZ, but her behaviors appear to be highly unprofessional IMO. So sad that she could continue this sort of behavior and there are no sanctions.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I tried for several years to get the State Bar of AZ to adopt a new Creed of Professionalism that I wrote. I thought we should make the creed very simple and clear and direct about how we should act like decent human beings. Didn't work lol.

Proposed creed:

Preamble
As a lawyer I must strive to make our system of justice work fairly and efficiently. In order to carry out that responsibility, I will comply with the letter and spirit of the disciplinary standards applicable to all lawyers and I will conduct myself in accordance with the following Creed of Professionalism.

1. I will be courteous, civil, honest and dignified in all situations in which I am presenting myself as a lawyer, regardless of whether I am engaged in the representation of a client, including in all oral and written communications.

2. I will be loyal to my client’s cause, but I will not permit that loyalty to interfere with my ability to provide objective and independent advice, or with my professional obligations as a lawyer;

3. I will provide my client with realistic assessments of the benefits and costs of significant proposed actions and the likely outcomes under all fee arrangements offered to the client;

4. I will advise my client that it is not appropriate for me to manifest hostility toward any other participant in the client’s legal matter, or to act with any goal other than the expeditious resolution of good-faith disputes;

5. I will discuss with my client when necessary any outside pressures of which I become aware that might impact the client’s legal decisions, including, for example, emotional or financial stress, poor health, or family strife;

6. I will cooperate with opposing counsel, opposing parties and tribunals in matters of scheduling and will strive to appear in a timely manner for all scheduled proceedings;

7. I will resolve by agreement or stipulation wherever possible reasonable requests for extension of time, minor evidentiary objections, and all other matters that do not prejudice my client’s position on the merits;

8. I will avoid communications reflecting a lack of respect for the judiciary, clients, other persons involved in legal proceedings, or the legal system in general, except when necessary in a good-faith effort to raise or resolve issues; and

9. I will endeavor to devote uncompensated time to public service, the improvement or administration of justice, and/or the causes of those persons who cannot afford adequate legal assistance.



ETA: We do already have a creed. It's just so long and so full of minutiae that no one reads it.

I like it. What happened?
Of course, creeds don't mean much if an unscrupulous lawyer decides not to abide by it. Sort of like someone just mouthing his marriage vows without true conviction. Or in this day and time, a doctor taking the Hippocratic oath and not caring one iota about his patient. Happens way too much. I am of the belief Nurmi falls under the "unscrupulous attorney" list.

 

[Niner]

Way off topic - but gcharlie - if you are reading here, could you do me a favor and please correct your signature? You don't have the "front" of the quote there - you need to add:

[Font= (which ever one you want) ]

:seeya:

 

[Nali87]

So Cougarloucious doesn't really have a professional organization or ethical standards she needs to uphold that I can find. I'm not sure if there is a licensing requirement in AZ, but her behaviors appear to be highly unprofessional IMO. So sad that she could continue this sort of behavior and there are no sanctions.

The fact that a grown professional careerwoman has "Cougarloucious" as her twitterhandle tells me everything I need to know about her. :laughing:

 

[Susza]

(...)
Before the trial started, we had some good debates about the pros + cons of DP versus LWOP. Those were some good and interesting discussions.
(...)
RSFS

Interesting! I'd love to read them. Could you tell me where I can find them?
TYIA!!

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

I believe prior bad acts can be introduced if relevant to the case, and show a pattern of behavior. I agree about the lying, and IIRC, JSS, informed the last jury it was up to them to decide the validity of the arguments, as they weren't actual testimony or evidence.

Well IMO, her "acts" since her conviction and even before are relevant but Juan is not allowed to bring them in. And to me, that is not fair to Travis.

 

[Amster]

At the 3:51 mark she starts naming off people who are supporting her. Did anyone catch those names?

It sounds like Pandora, Maria, Becky, Sten, and Cougarloucious. I may be way off here - I was just wondering.

Who is Lisa Schilling and who is Jason? And, JA complaining about someone lying is......:facepalm: