KY KY - Pine Mountain, Letcher Co, WhtMale 20-35, UP105, In Dump, COD: Stab Wound, Prev Factures: Nose, Left Skull, Poss Prev Tailbone Fracture, Oct'81

[CarlK90245]

The Doe Network
Case 1027UMKY http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1027umky.html
NamUs UP Case 105 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/105

Reconstruction of Victim

Unidentified Male
Date of Discovery: October 20, 1981
Location of Discovery: Pine Mountain in Letcher County, Kentucky
Estimated Date of Death: 1-3 months prior
State of Remains: Not stated
Cause of Death: Stab wound to back.

Physical Description
** Listed information is approximate

Estimated Age: 20-35 years old
Race: Caucasian
Gender: Male
Height: 74 inches
Weight: 190 lbs
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Blue

Distinguishing Marks/Features: Unknown
Dentals: Available; Abscessed #8
Fingerprints: Not available
DNA: Not available

 

[CarlK90245]

Newly Added NamUs MP Casefile:
Robert Earl Crook

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14431/1

• His age (19-20 depending on DOB) is at the low end of the John Doe’s estimated age range (20-35).
• His height (6’1&#8221 is within an inch of the John Doe’s estimated height (6’2&#8221.
• His eyes are blue, as are the John Doe’s eyes.
• His hair is brown, as is the John Doe’s hair, and is styled approximately the same as the depiction in the facial reconstruction drawing.
• His Date of Last Contact (20-Apr-1981) is six months prior to the discovery of the John Doe (with a postmortem interval of 1-3 months, according to DoeNetwork.org)
• Lechner County KY is about 470 miles north of Fort Valley GA.
• He bears a good resemblance to the person depicted in the facial reconstruction drawing

 

[CarlK90245]

I sent an e-mail to Pamela Reed and Amy Burrows, and received the following prompt reply from Pamela Reed:

Thank you for this suggestion. I have passed it along to LE for follow up. Keep ‘em coming and have a wonderful weekend.

 

[Cymro]

Good shout ... UID looks like he was a pretty big guy though (estimated at 190 lbs), while Bobby Crook was only 120 - 130 (which is *really* skinny for the height). Of course depending on the extent of decomposition they might just have taken a guess at weight based on height alone.

Other than that, there doesn't seem to be much against this being a match - REC was possibly voluntarily missing pending the suspension of his drivers' license (although that on its own doesn't seem enough reason to go missing to me)...

 

[CarlK90245]

I don't think the 120-130 lb estimate is right. Even 160 lbs at 6'1" would be really skinny. 120-130 would be skin and bones.

 

[nerosleuth]

There is another case from Harlan County, Kentucky from June 1969 where the body of an unidentified woman was also found on Pine Mountain.


KY - Harlan County - Female (NamUs #5880), 16-22, June 1969


KY KY - Harlan County - Female (NamUs #5880), 16-22, June 1969 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


I just wonder how far the bodies were from each other when they were found on Pine Mountain in 1969 and in 1981.

 

[CarlK90245]

This new addition to NamUs looks alot like our John Doe, though he's a little young and a little too short:

Andrew Jackson Greer (AKA Drew Bowmen)

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/27117/0

 

[Tssiemer]

This new addition to NamUs looks alot like our John Doe, though he's a little young and a little too short:

Andrew Jackson Greer (AKA Drew Bowmen)

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/27117/0

That's resemblance is creepy.


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[satemplet]

What about Ralph Leon Jensen Jr. ?
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jensen_ralph.html

Everything is spot on except for distance. Ralph went missing from Alaska in March. The UID was found in October in Kentucky.
Both are 6'2
Both have brown hair and blue eyes.
Ralph's weight is 200. The UID is 190.

 

[carbuff]

The only ruleout on Namus is Ryan Kemp from Pennsylvania. https://identifyus.org/en/cases/105

 

[lindamichelle1]

No news on this case?

 

[Tssiemer]

That's so weird I almost bumped this late last night but was going to wait til more people were on.

None that I know of.


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[bflocket]

There is another case from Harlan County, Kentucky from June 1969 where the body of an unidentified woman was also found on Pine Mountain.


KY - Harlan County - Female (NamUs #5880), 16-22, June 1969


KY KY - Harlan County - Female (NamUs #5880), 16-22, June 1969 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


I just wonder how far the bodies were from each other when they were found on Pine Mountain in 1969 and in 1981.

Though it is called a "mountain," Pine Mountain is more of a long, tall ridge that stretches NE/SE through a few counties. The Little Shepherd Trail is a road that runs along the ridge from north of Harlan (town) through Harlan County into Letcher County, forming the county line for a bit. Pine Mountain also extends into Bell County (Pineville) where Pine Mountain State Resort Park is located.




I snipped that real quick and tried to highlight the basic area where the top part of the Pine Mountain ridge was in Harlan County. It extends into Letcher County (right) and Bell County (left).



Above is SE Letcher County. Little Shepherd Trail is purple.

 

[Janeway]

Bumping this up because I noticed they added a sketch(?) with a front view to his Namus file:

So I went through the missing people of 1981 again and found this missing young man:

William Woolheater

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/woolheater_william.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/39dmny.html

He went missing in February 1981 and was on his way to New Orleans. His age, height, hair color and weight match and he was in a car accident where he broke his nose. I think he resembles the sketch.

What doesn't match is that he also broke an ankle and there's no mention of that in our Doe's file. There's also contradictory statements whether William actually arrived in New Orleans or not (Doenetwork says he did, Charleyproject says he didn't) and the eye color... well, William's are brown, Doenetwork says Doe's were blue, and as source they give his Namus profile, but there is actually no eye color entered in his Namus profile, so not sure what to make of this info??

 

[alawaysslueth]

Here are two more possiable matches I found on doenetwork



1. Frank H. Johnston

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/253dmak.html


Here are a few of the reasons I think he may be a match


1. His hair color is the same as the UIDs

2. His eye color is the same as the UIDs

3. His height is only an inch off from the UIDs estamited height range

4. His weight is about ten pounds off from the UIDs estamited weight range

5. His age is only one year off from the UIDs age range






The second possible match is Robert Bruce Clements


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/675dmca.html

 

[carbuff]

The only ruleout on Namus is Ryan Kemp from Pennsylvania. Unidentified Person Case

Updated link: Unidentified Person Case

No new ruleouts.

 

[theshadow45]

Pine Mountain John Doe has been unidentified for 38 years today.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Unidentified / NamUs #UP105
Male, White / Caucasian
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Date of Discovery: October 20, 1981
Location of Discovery: Pine Mountain, Letcher County, Kentucky
Cause of Death: Stab wound to back.
Estimated Age: 20-35 years old
Estimated Height: 6'2"
Estimated Weight: 190 lbs
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Previously fractured and healed nasal bones; Healed depressed fracture left skull above ear(parietal and temporal bones); Possible healed coccyx (tail bone) fracture.

Circumstances of Discovery: Remains found in remote mountain dump.

Per NamUs, Ryan Kemp, missing from Pennsylvania has been ruled out as being this decedent.

Letcher County Coroner’s Office
Amy Burrows-Beckham (606) 633-2129
Agency Case Number: 81-F-15

Dentals: Available
Fingerprints: Not Available
DNA: Not Available

NamUs
The Doe Network

 

[MadMcGoo]

William Frederick Woolheater – The Charley

Missing from New York, February 1981
- 22 white male, 6’0-6’3, 150-200 lbs, brown hair, brown eyes
- scar on his left middle finger, facial scars from lacerations sustained during an automobile accident. His right ankle and his nose were fractured in the same accident.
- Disappeared while en route from NY to Louisiana

Richard James Romano – The Charley Project

Missing from Largo, Florida, March 1980
- 28 year old white male
- 6,1”, 185 lbs., Brown hair, brown eyes
- Involved in drug trafficking, brother reported him missing in October 1984

Jeffrey Keith Hegwood – The Charley Project

Missing from Hattiesburg, MS, March 1980
- 23 year old white male
- 5’10”, 158 lbs., Brown hair, brown eyes
- Bizarre circumstances; half brother (they’d never met) was killed in Canada 6 months after his disappearance and found to be in possession of Jeffrey’s ID

Dale Wesley Visel – The Charley Project

Missing from Fort Lauderdale, FL, June 1980
- 26 year old white male
- 5’11”, 190 lbs., brown hair, brown eyes

Harold Jeffrey Mays – The Charley Project
John David Higham – The Charley Project
Frank H. Johnston – The Charley Project
Randall Dean Leach – The Charley Project
Robert Joseph Mailloux – The Charley Project
Martin Alan Miller – The Charley Project

 

[MadMcGoo]

Of course, Woolheater was the very last one I found, but I think he’s a strong possibility! Especially with his prior injuries! Physical description fits perfectly also...