WA - Four killed in Pilchuk High School shooting, Marysville, 24 Oct 2014

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Sorry (I messed up my OP upthread)
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Oh no.....
ETA:
Also from time's link:
(snip)

"Our office has a long history of working with our federal, state, local and tribal law enforcement partners across Western Washington to prosecute those who illegally possess firearms," she continued. "This case is part of that effort and a reminder that we are united in our commitment to get firearms out of the hands of those who pose the greatest risk to our communities."

Fryberg is scheduled to appear later Tuesday in a U.S. District Court in Seattle.

The prosecution of this case will allow the investigators to further delve into the discovery of events leading up to that tragic day. Based on what I've viewed so far of JF's social media, weaponry (given to him by his parents) played an important role in his life (and the manner in which he chose to die, with as much collateral damage as possible).

I'm deeply disappointed (and frankly :furious: ) to learn of this arrest. JF was a minor. His father was his role model, the person who should have bend teaching him how to be a man, follow the rules, treat a girl right, how to be a good friend and teammate, and how to be a leader. :moo:

I admit it, this news is one :censored: of an eye opener for this WSer. I was prepared to hear JF obtained the weapon via family - but now we're talking about a whole other level of - how can I even describe it!?

This IS criminal. If proven, the elder Fryberg should be jailed, because he set the stage for a horrific chain of events that forever changed countless lives in Pilchuk. JF's actions extinguished lives of his precious friends and family that day, with what we now know was his father's weaponry (obtained under false pretenses).

This changes everything.

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.
:tantrum:

I hope I'm making sense.
This post is strictly :moo:

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I'm being tongue in cheek, but it sounds like the apple didn't fall to far from the tree. I hope he gets charged with at least accessory to murder. And then to think this man wore and promoted others to wear those t-shirts. This just sickens me.

Mel


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...An FBI agent alleged in a criminal complaint that even though Fryberg was subject to a domestic violence protection order, he purchased five guns from a Cabela's outdoor recreation store, including the Beretta pistol his son used in the shooting, by lying on a federal form.
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According to the complaint, Fryberg's then-girlfriend, the mother of one of his children, obtained a protection order against him in Tulalip Tribal Court in 2002, alleging that he had threatened her, slapped her and pulled her hair.

Four months later he bought the Beretta at a Cabela's store on the Tulalip reservation. He lied on a federal form, answering "no" about whether he had any restraining orders. He bought four more weapons in 2013-14.

Definite game-changer for me.

http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/state...hool-shooter-arrested-on-gun-charge_02136343_
 
Cabela's ran a background check before selling Fryberg the .40 caliber gun. But the Tulalip court protection order did not show up in the National Instant Criminal Background Check database, and the purchase was approved.
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Ideally, tribal courts would send domestic violence protection orders to the county's Superior Court. The Superior Court would issue the order and give it to the sheriff, who would enter that information into NCIC.

But, Anderson said, this information sharing is optional for tribal courts. Tribes are not required to report court orders to state or federal authorities.
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In the case of Raymond Fryberg, Jr.'s restraining order, Anderson said the Tulalip Tribal courts did not send notice to the Snohomish County Superior Court.

This needs to change.

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2740460/W...thanks-to-lack-of-reporting-from-tribal-court

Theiler agreed with federal prosecutors that Fryberg posed a potential “threat to the community,” particularly in light of information showing that, just months after the shooting that left his son and four classmates dead, he continued to have unsecured guns around his house in the presence of children.
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Fryberg’s attorney, John Henry Browne, pointed to nearly three dozen relatives who attended the hearing Thursday and disputed that his client was a threat.

“This is his community,” Browne said.

And this needs to change. No community should tolerate a member having unsecured guns around children, no matter how loved or respected that member is. The three dozen relatives should instead be supporting the safety of the children in their community.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...lease-of-father-of-marysville-school-shooter/
 
MsMarple said:
Cabela's ran a background check before selling Fryberg the .40 caliber gun. But the Tulalip court protection order did not show up in the National Instant Criminal Background Check database, and the purchase was approved.
...
Ideally, tribal courts would send domestic violence protection orders to the county's Superior Court. The Superior Court would issue the order and give it to the sheriff, who would enter that information into NCIC.

But, Anderson said, this information sharing is optional for tribal courts. Tribes are not required to report court orders to state or federal authorities.
...
In the case of Raymond Fryberg, Jr.'s restraining order, Anderson said the Tulalip Tribal courts did not send notice to the Snohomish County Superior Court.

This needs to change.

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2740460/W...thanks-to-lack-of-reporting-from-tribal-court

Theiler agreed with federal prosecutors that Fryberg posed a potential “threat to the community,” particularly in light of information showing that, just months after the shooting that left his son and four classmates dead, he continued to have unsecured guns around his house in the presence of children.
...
Fryberg’s attorney, John Henry Browne, pointed to nearly three dozen relatives who attended the hearing Thursday and disputed that his client was a threat.

“This is his community,” Browne said.

And this needs to change. No community should tolerate a member having unsecured guns around children, no matter how loved or respected that member is. The three dozen relatives should instead be supporting the safety of the children in their community.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...lease-of-father-of-marysville-school-shooter/
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MsMarple, your post (and every point you made) are spot on - as usual... :hug:

The fact that the F's are so highly regarded may well have been a conduit for the elder Fryberg to gain what we now know was unfettered access to multiple firearms over G-d only knows how many year. I recall JF lovingly posting that photo of weaponry on SM of a gun gifted to him by his parents. I won't be one but surprised if it was purchased at Cabela's. I will be even more upset if it fell within the timeframe of why should have been restricted by the background check. I am not even sure if his SM is still up and available for viewing. :dunno:

I read JF's entire twitter when the story broke. He didn't have it for very long at all. :tantrum:

The preventability of all of this only amplifies JF's father's accountability. No one can or should shield him from this.
:busted:
:judge:

He went out of his way to lie. His son went out of his way to murder. That's just how I see it.
:(
:twocents:


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This just makes me sick.

I was reading some twitter accounts that belong to close friends of all that died. They are still extremely pro Jaylen and extremely pro Jaylen's father. One girl blames the media and bashes them over and over. I want to say "Um, hello? The media is just reporting the facts. Jaylen is the one that killed your friends and Jaylen's dad is the one who had the illegal weapon that he used."
 
MsMarple said:
Cabela's ran a background check before selling Fryberg the .40 caliber gun. But the Tulalip court protection order did not show up in the National Instant Criminal Background Check database, and the purchase was approved.
...
Ideally, tribal courts would send domestic violence protection orders to the county's Superior Court. The Superior Court would issue the order and give it to the sheriff, who would enter that information into NCIC.

But, Anderson said, this information sharing is optional for tribal courts. Tribes are not required to report court orders to state or federal authorities.
...
In the case of Raymond Fryberg, Jr.'s restraining order, Anderson said the Tulalip Tribal courts did not send notice to the Snohomish County Superior Court.

This needs to change.

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2740460/W...thanks-to-lack-of-reporting-from-tribal-court

Theiler agreed with federal prosecutors that Fryberg posed a potential “threat to the community,” particularly in light of information showing that, just months after the shooting that left his son and four classmates dead, he continued to have unsecured guns around his house in the presence of children.
...
Fryberg’s attorney, John Henry Browne, pointed to nearly three dozen relatives who attended the hearing Thursday and disputed that his client was a threat.

“This is his community,” Browne said.

And this needs to change. No community should tolerate a member having unsecured guns around children, no matter how loved or respected that member is. The three dozen relatives should instead be supporting the safety of the children in their community.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...lease-of-father-of-marysville-school-shooter/
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I went back to the original article and found the link to the Tulalip Code for Domestic Violence that the author mentioned. I thought it would be pertinent to bring it to the thread. :moo:

Chapter 4.25 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
http://www.codepublishing.com/wa/Tulalip/html/Tulalip04/Tulalip0425.html#4.25.540

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The PDF of the complaint against Ray Fryberg is now available for reading. I'd like to post the images of the court documents, as I have on other threads, but the formatting on DocumentCloud isn't iPhone friendly. Also, I'm not certain if the Mods will allow it, so I'm going to alert my post.

In the meanwhile, here it is:

Ray Fryberg Complaint 3 30 15

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1698847-ray-fryberg-complaint-3-30-15.html

via http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...lease-of-father-of-marysville-school-shooter/
:busted:
:gaah:
:cow:


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The link is easy enough to open and read. Let's leave it at that for now, kimi.

Thanks!
 
bessie said:
The link is easy enough to open and read. Let's leave it at that for now, kimi.

Thanks!
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Wow, that was FAST bessie! :)
:gthanks:
:yourock:
:gomods:


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Fryberg has pleaded not guilty on the gun charge.

Michael Lee, a lawyer with Browne's firm who attended the arraignment, said after the hearing that "there is a distinction between what comes from a state court and a tribal court" in terms of restrictions placed on the subject of the order. Lee said they would secure the tribal order through discovery to make that point.
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Had the protection order been filed in a state court instead of the tribal court, it would have been entered into a criminal records database and would have surfaced during a background check when Raymond Fryberg purchased the gun. But the order was never entered into any state or federal criminal databases because of a flawed reporting system between tribes and outside authorities.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/...leads-not-guilty-to-gun-charge-300134661.html

Trial set for June 22.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20150416/NEWS01/150419258
 
Tulalip Tribe chairman Mel Sheldon Jr. sent a letter to Marysville School District superintendent Mary Berg regarding "Team Jaylen" T-shirts:

SEATTLE – The chairman of the Tulalip Tribe has released a letter indicating students at Marysville-Pilchuck High School were seen wearing t-shirts last month that said "Team Jaylen."
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"Last week was the six month mark for the shooting and we witnessed students wearing 'Team Jaylen' t-shirts at the assembly," Sheldon wrote. "This attire creates an environment that is harmful to other students who are trying to heal and recover from the tragedy and the Tribe would like to support the school district on banning all t-shirts, bandanas and/or any other clothing or collateral items that support Jaylen Fryberg and the actions he took on October 24, 2014."

http://www.krem.com/story/news/loca...irts-seen-at-marysville-high-school/26890301/

It's a little late IMO but I'm glad to see the tribal chairman finally speaking out.

Donald Hatch, grandfather of shooting survivor Nate Hatch, said:

“When he shot these four children and killed them and killed himself and shot my grandson, I think he lost everything, the honor of having one named after him, a T-shirt named Team Jaylen,” said Donald Hatch.

Gia Soriano’s grandmother said:

“I’m sure he (Fryberg) has family and friends that are hurting but just want to do something,” said Elaine Soriano. “I don’t know if that was the right thing to do but everyone needs support.”

And a student said:

“He’s family, he’s friend, he’s part of the tribe... We should be able to say his name; we should be able to have remembrance about him; we should be able to give him a moment of silence.”

http://q13fox.com/2015/05/04/team-jaylen-shirts-spotted-at-marysville-pilchuck-gathering/

Tragedies like this are never cut and dry; my heart cries for the families and students who have to work through such a terrible experience. :(
 
IMO it's a sad day when children have to be told not to wear a t-shirt that says "Team Jaylen". At the very least their parents should have put the stop to that. And, no, kids, I'm not buying that you were wearing them in support of a cure for diabetes.
 
What a strange turn of events.
 
MsMarple said:
Fryberg has pleaded not guilty on the gun charge.

Michael Lee, a lawyer with Browne's firm who attended the arraignment, said after the hearing that "there is a distinction between what comes from a state court and a tribal court" in terms of restrictions placed on the subject of the order. Lee said they would secure the tribal order through discovery to make that point.
...
Had the protection order been filed in a state court instead of the tribal court, it would have been entered into a criminal records database and would have surfaced during a background check when Raymond Fryberg purchased the gun. But the order was never entered into any state or federal criminal databases because of a flawed reporting system between tribes and outside authorities.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/...leads-not-guilty-to-gun-charge-300134661.html

Trial set for June 22.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20150416/NEWS01/150419258
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That sporting goods store is on tribal land--hmmmmm
 
zoey said:
That sporting goods store is on tribal land--hmmmmm
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I'm reading a big book on the Tulalip tribe, and enjoying it immensely in that my eyes are being opened. I am hoping it helps make some sense of this. If not I am still enjoying the read.
 
possumheart said:
I'm reading a big book on the Tulalip tribe, and enjoying it immensely in that my eyes are being opened. I am hoping it helps make some sense of this. If not I am still enjoying the read.
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truly is sad to drive on some of their roads and see the cautionary/in memory of signs of not drinking and driving--some are like every five feet. It is a big tribe though.
 
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