UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

[Tricksy]

I was thinking, if this was in someway "an accident of some sort" that happened at the top end of Short Brackland, then someone would need access to a car. Even if they were over the limit.

But you say it's not really somewhere a person would park, if on a night out....and chancing a return trip home.
In fact, it's pretty much "permit holders" up there.

The phone possibly going in the bin, has always made me think that "what may have happened" did so at the top end of Short Brackland.

I have also "pondered" over the idea that someone knew "that particular bin" would get collected soon.

If on the other hand, it was some sort of abduction, then I have no idea. It just seems such a "random place" to abduct someone.

I agree with you on this. I just can't see it as an abduction related to his job.
Far too random a place.

My gut says accident and hidden somewhere or picked up and something occurred, but I just can't see his job playing a factor in this.

 

[jslk]

I can't find anything on that thread - over 1.5k comments 😵

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[Deleted member 178385]

Any chance of a bit of "cut n paste" or paraphrasing ?
I can't see his new post

Cheers

hazel324's post above paraphrases Uncle Tony's most recent comment.

The only other thing is that he has said there will be another update after 7pm tomorrow.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Thanks! I could kiss you! That thread is worth watching right now as Uncle Tony is commenting (approx 35 mins ago) and is touching on the DA-notice subject. It's rather interesting!

I've been worried about 11th Nov (Remembrance Day)

Tony has replied to someone (CH 8:41pm) who said terrorists would have claimed Corrie by now - "It would be atypical, but not unprecedented. Hostages have been taken many times without immediate claims being made, as they are being kept for a 'grandstand' event to coincide with a particular event or date - such as the upcoming Remembrance Day commemorations.Not implying this applies here, but as the Police are saying, all options are being considered.".

God I hope not.

(sorry just seen Hazel already posted this!)

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

hazel324's post above paraphrases Uncle Tony's most recent comment.

The only other thing is that he has said there will be another update after 7pm tomorrow.

Probably just me but I get nervous when updates are pre-announced 24 hours in advance.

 

[Deleted member 178385]

I agree with you on this. I just can't see it as an abduction related to his job.
Far too random a place.

My gut says accident and hidden somewhere or picked up and something occurred, but I just can't see his job playing a factor in this.

'Far too random a place' assumes he would have to have been abducted in that bin area. But if we're happy to think that he left that area without being seen on CCTV in order to attempt to walk home (and have an accident on the way) then surely we can be happy to think he left that area to be picked up / get a taxi / meet someone for a pre-arranged lift elsewhere in BSE too?

 

[Deleted member 178385]

Probably just me but I get nervous when updates are pre-announced 24 hours in advance.

I think it's just because of the scheduled 'Thunderclap' at 7pm, as that will expose the story to lots of people on social media - therefore there may be even more people joining the Facebook group who will see whatever Tony's latest update is right at the top.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I agree with you on this. I just can't see it as an abduction related to his job.
Far too random a place.

My gut says accident and hidden somewhere or picked up and something occurred, but I just can't see his job playing a factor in this.

I agree with you, Tricksy. I think he's more likely to have had a accident on the way home. Whether someone else is involved I don't know.

However, as we all know, stranger things have happened.

 

[Purplepixii]

Probably just me but I get nervous when updates are pre-announced 24 hours in advance.

You & me both! [emoji52]


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[JamesKing]

I've been worried about 11th Nov (Remembrance Day)

Tony has replied to someone (CH 8:41pm) who said terrorists would have claimed Corrie by now - "It would be atypical, but not unprecedented. Hostages have been taken many times without immediate claims being made, as they are being kept for a 'grandstand' event to coincide with a particular event or date - such as the upcoming Remembrance Day commemorations.Not implying this applies here, but as the Police are saying, all options are being considered.".

God I hope not.

(sorry just seen Hazel already posted this!)

Saw Hazel's and yours. Cheers guys.

Considering there is a D Notice on this and the fact that Uncle Tony will be incontact with the relevant authorities and the police, two things stand out.....

1. They really don't know where he is, but the logical spots seemed to have been searched

2. Considering "point 1", they really are worried about what may happen here. Answers the D Notice issue then.

 

[MidsummersDay]

Quick question:
is it reasonable to assume that if NO CCTV footage has been released showing Corrie exit into Cornhill Square(?) taxi rank area that...
1. He didn't (which in my mind is unlikely).
2. He did and then left the area in a vehicle to which they're trying to trace hence not releasing the footage?

Which one sits easy on a gut feeling?

 

[Purplepixii]

Quick question:
is it reasonable to assume that if NO CCTV footage has been released showing Corrie exit into Cornhill Square(?) taxi rank area that...
1. He didn't (which in my mind is unlikely).
2. He did and then left the area in a vehicle to which they're trying to trace hence not releasing the footage?

Which one sits easy on a gut feeling?

3. There's CCTV but it's too sensitive to release to the general public [emoji52]


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[Liz40]

However, the lorry was forensically tested and nothing came up.

 

[Gene Hunt]

So if what you're suggesting is based on presented 'facts' then that would suggest that he had a lift to (?) arranged prior to sleeping, ie before 0308 and more than likely between 0115-0308hrs. That would also suggest an accidental loss within the bin system after 0308 and before 0400 thus ruling out the trick cyclist thief?

I'm leaning towards the 'gay/bi' route yes but bare in mind it is ONLY a suggestion to accommodate the presented 'facts'.

I do wonder about this, his sexuality (or other people's perception of it) shouldn't be relevant in this day & age, but at the same time I don't think it can be totally dismissed
After 3 years living/working/socialising so far away from his family, I think it's possible they may not know all the ins & outs of his lifestyle & habits
I can recall growing up through the 70's & 80's when "only a certain type of man wore a pink shirt" according to my elders

Also it's not advertised in the mainstream but not exactly secret what some people get up to over Barton Mills at night,meeting up in the forest/picnic site,many of these could be described as "in the closet".
The road which starts at the waste site/ council depot nearby has become a 2 mile cul-de-sac since the A11 was dualled 2years ago, but is maintained for access to some kind of water company plant or pumping station

I was living/ working close by when a murder happened around the area in the 90's

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Saw Hazel's and yours. Cheers guys.

Considering there is a D Notice on this and the fact that Uncle Tony will be incontact with the relevant authorities and the police, two things stand out.....

1. They really don't know where he is, but the logical spots seemed to have been searched

2. Considering "point 1", they really are worried about what may happen here. Answers the D Notice issue then.

I hope it doesn't go down that route...

Could you imagine if he has been kidnapped by a "organisation" and we find out about it? That D Notice would go out the window I would think as it would become a national story that couldn't be avoided.

I'm just not sure this would be issued if they only *think* (they have no evidence yet) it could involve a outside "organisation". Right now I would sooner believe the notice has been issued because it only involves Military?

This is pretty unprecedented though so think we'll need to look at this completely differently to other cases.

 

[Amonet]

I do wonder about this, his sexuality (or other people's perception of it) shouldn't be relevant in this day & age, but at the same time I don't think it can be totally dismissed
After 3 years living/working/socialising so far away from his family, I think it's possible they may not know all the ins & outs of his lifestyle & habits
I can recall growing up through the 70's & 80's when "only a certain type of man wore a pink shirt" according to my elders

Also it's not advertised in the mainstream but not exactly secret what some people get up to over Barton Mills at night,meeting up in the forest/picnic site,many of these could be described as "in the closet".
The road which starts at the waste site/ council depot nearby has become a 2 mile cul-de-sac since the A11 was dualled 2years ago, but is maintained for access to some kind of water company plant or pumping station

I was living/ working close by when a murder happened around the area in the 90's

As far as my everyday life is concerned, I don't care at all what someone's sexual orientation is as long as it's legal and consenting adults involved. If a couple are happy together, then I don't care what their genders are.

But this is a missing person inquiry. Sexual orientation goes toward victimology. It might affect the missing person's behaviour. It might come into it the other side as we're looking at a potential perp's perception of the missing person and what the perp is looking for in this situation and what they feel when they look at the missing individual, which might be a 'signal' that's only in the perp's mind and that the missing person is not purposely trying to send out.

Let's say Corrie is purely straight. A car approaches him and the driver says, "hey, pretty boy, want to come down to Barton Mills with me <wink wink>"? Corrie says "Nope, I'm not that way inclined."

Let's say Corrie is in the closet. His reaction could then be completely different. He's just been out for the night, watching his mates and their girlfriends or mates getting lucky. He feels like the odd one out. So if he gets a drive-by offer, then he's not going to worry about his appearance, not the same way as going out for a pre-arranged date, he's had too much to drink, inhibitions are looser, and he's being picked up so his appearance doesn't matter so much, besides he went out looking 'nice' with his good shirt on and his hair combed, so he thinks "why not?"

Then we have the perp's perceptions and desires. Corrie's sexuality doesn't have to match the perp's want list other than in appearance. If the perp is on the lookout for a blonde, fit, 'pretty boy', then just seeing Corrie walking down the street alone late at night could make something 'click' in this perp's brain, and they're not too obvious when they offer him a lift, because they don't want to scare him away...but there's only one thing in the back of the perp's mind. Being inebriated and not personally caring about anyone's sexual orientation, Corrie isn't enough on the lookout for signs of something being wrong when our perp, driving along, conversationally asks "what are you doing alone at this time on a Friday night, had a fight with your girlfriend?" And the perp, if he's fixated on a goal where he's willing to use force, doesn't even care how wiling the person is, he's become fixated on this person and on his goal, so even if there's no chance of willing participation, our perp is determined to get what he wants.

 

[haynat21]

I have now just spotted on the Facebook page Nicola has said that the biggest issue with a d notice is that they would never ever be told there is one?? Is uncle tony plucking this idea out of thin air??

 

[Amonet]

I mentioned in the first thread that I was looking at the roads on the map. Back then I was focusing on a more distant zoom that took in Honington to Barton Mills, and even beyond.

Now I've zoomed in and put north at top and I'm looking for prime places for a driver to slow down enough to offer someone a lift at 3.30am to 4am, and I'm hoping someone with local knowledge might be able to critique/examine my ideas?

So I've got Corrie coming up Short Brackland and I want to get him to a place where he could get picked up and taken to Barton Mills. I'm looking at Cannon Street, and more at Northgate Street. Either of those would have Corrie and our hypothetical vehicle, if one comes into play, heading up to the roundabout that goes to Compiegne Way, which would take Corrie to Tesco's, Tesco Filling Station, or back to Honington. But, if a car picks him up at this point, instead of going around Compiegne Way and the Tesco's roundabout, it's going to have to go up the A1101 to Mildenhall Road?

So a vehicle has to make a choice at the earlier roundabout as to whether it's going Compiegne Way OR the A1101 to Barton Mills? It can't take a wrong turn on the Tesco's roundabout that takes the vehicle, either accidentally or accidentally on purpose, down to Barton Mills. A vehicle that wanted an organic route would have to decide on Barton Mills prior to Compiegne Way and Tesco's roundabout?

If this is right, how does this affect our case?

 

[hermes&&]

I mentioned in the first thread that I was looking at the roads on the map. Back then I was focusing on a more distant zoom that took in Honington to Barton Mills, and even beyond.

Now I've zoomed in and put north at top and I'm looking for prime places for a driver to slow down enough to offer someone a lift at 3.30am to 4am, and I'm hoping someone with local knowledge might be able to critique/examine my ideas?

So I've got Corrie coming up Short Brackland and I want to get him to a place where he could get picked up and taken to Barton Mills. I'm looking at Cannon Street, and more at Northgate Street. Either of those would have Corrie and our hypothetical vehicle, if one comes into play, heading up to the roundabout that goes to Compiegne Way, which would take Corrie to Tesco's, Tesco Filling Station, or back to Honington. But, if a car picks him up at this point, instead of going around Compiegne Way and the Tesco's roundabout, it's going to have to go up the A1101 to Mildenhall Road?

So a vehicle has to make a choice at the earlier roundabout as to whether it's going Compiegne Way OR the A1101 to Barton Mills? It can't take a wrong turn on the Tesco's roundabout that takes the vehicle, either accidentally or accidentally on purpose, down to Barton Mills. A vehicle that wanted an organic route would have to decide on Barton Mills prior to Compiegne Way and Tesco's roundabout?

If this is right, how does this affect our case?

Is Barton mills near the waste transfer site? If so, then my hypothesis would be that there phone was in the bin and ended up there.

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