TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #41

[Seriously?]

I really find it hard to believe that there weren't any traces of a bloody footprint or a glove print inside the church to indicate where SP exited the scene.

Since a camera caught MB entering the building, that same camera would have picked up SP on the way out. So my guess would be SP used a different way out. You would think there would be a trace.

I guess which way SP left the building doesn't help find the killer. <..sigh..>

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I don't see a good picture of the kitchen to know if it's built out like a commercial kitchen. It's not uncommon for commercial kitchens to have a floor drain..........likely long sprayer hoses at the sinks. I've wondered if the time spent in the kitchen was to hose down the floor, and change into whatever clean clothes/shoes were brought in duffles. If here were buckets in the kitchen, those could have been filled with water prior to the murder and ready to dilute and drain any possible residue. Just a random thought.................

 

[arkansasmimi]

In response to being 'trapped' what do you mean? If I'm interpreting it correctly, it's probably possible that since the 2 were walking around and on 2 different cameras that the system couldn't record both and SP either got really lucky or methodically planned the murder exactly where 2 cameras meet in order to make sure the murder would not be on camera.. Also, I agree with everyone saying SP probably booked it ASAP after killing MB.. but also makes you wonder if SP was just a random burglar and knew nothing of the CG fitness class AND could run that fast, why not just hightail it out of there when MB appeared? No way to know if she could out run you.. unless she saw SP and went running towards him(highly unlikely).. Or why couldn't SP just hide somewhere? The odds of someone going roaming thru CCoC looking for someone even if they saw something that didn't seem right is highly unlikely too. To me there's no way that SP was a random person there just vandalizing.. Your at a church alone in the middle of the night, 30 mins before she even got there. So you would for sure hear someone else there even if it was just little sounds, All JMO tho..

ETA: wouldn't all exit doors be unlocked from the inside? Wouldn't it be considered a fire hazard to not be able to? So hypothetically SP could've exited at any door...

RBBM, that is why JMHO that Suspect could have went out either the West doors (front big huge glass) or the NW doors. My pick is the NW side, straight out and on the side that came in (Metal kitchen doors) Still could have done as Jethro said, stop and go. Could have went from foyer to doors the the Left of the Come As You Are Mirrors/Entry to Worship Center JMHO which are locked. And then over to the NW doors push bars and be out. **We do not know if any other doors were propped open. Leaving out the West glass doors, it is lit up with street lights but still dark, but if someone drove in they could possibly have seen (drive in then turn right which leads in front of church and the covered awning where MB parked be on the left after passing Glass doors) Where as if go out NW doors, then (my theory) its dark that side as no street lights and goes down hill and not in view of Hwy. Get in vehicle and leave straight out. jmho Any other door there would be possibility of on video that captured at 3:58 a.m. or someone seeing leave the property in a vehicle. JMHO

 

[GutInstinct]

WOW NIN, be careful and safe please. This whole case is creepy and mind blowing. Other sleuths should read the first few threads because a lot of us talked about 2 sp's.....Since NIN confirmed it with her gift of working with pics then it narrows it down completely to a bigger theory that a lot of ppl talked about re multiple agencies and corrupt LE figures

Amazing discovery NIN. Definitely two very different body types. I see a fairly large back side I had not seen before. Other perp has bad posture but no distinguishing rump.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I really find it hard to believe that there weren't any traces of a bloody footprint or a glove print inside the church to indicate where SP exited the scene.

Since a camera caught MB entering the building, that same camera would have picked up SP on the way out. So my guess would be SP used a different way out. You would think there would be a trace.

I guess which way SP left the building doesn't help find the killer. <..sigh..>

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HAD to be blood spatter. Heart beating and any thing piercing the body like head and chest injury would cause it. How much got on Suspect jmho would depend on how close to MB at first strike. Head wounds bleed a alot. Chest would mean Suspect was facing MB (we just do not know when the injuries were inflicted which first and if that one was fatal) JMHO they have evidence but what not sure. Been reading

 

[ZoriahNZ]

Respectfully, I disagree. There's a difference in distance and illumination. I believe the logo on the left side of the jacket is not always being picked up by the camera. And there appears to be a distinct white area (shirt or skin) directly under the chin, which sometimes picks up the light more. I think it's more likely you just can't see the smaller logo at certain angles, distance and light placements. JMO, but that's what I think after rewatching the footage at different speeds and highest quality I could.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I don't see a good picture of the kitchen to know if it's built out like a commercial kitchen. It's not uncommon for commercial kitchens to have a floor drain..........likely long sprayer hoses at the sinks. I've wondered if the time spent in the kitchen was to hose down the floor, and change into whatever clean clothes/shoes were brought in duffles. If here were buckets in the kitchen, those could have been filled with water prior to the murder and ready to dilute and drain any possible residue. Just a random thought.................

There is a sink in the middle of the kitchen prep area, has a little sprayer. In the kitchen there was a big black rubber backed rug on floor.JMHO, I don't think the Suspect hung around long afterwards to clean up.

 

[Scout]

Amazing discovery NIN. Definitely two very different body types. I see a fairly large back side I had not seen before. Other perp has bad posture but no distinguishing rump.

Sorry. There is no confirmation of two perpetrators in the church. Pure speculation. There was one person dressed in SWAT gear. IMO, its unlikely there was more than one person directly involved in Missy's murder.

 

[cfreyja23]

What does it tell us about the SP that his exit was not on video? If he is running does that indicate he freaked out, is fearful or that he does not want to be seen with blood on him? Do we learn more about his ability to plan? Could he have known in 30 minutes which areas were not covered by cameras? Were some cameras not working? If so had they been disabled? If so why would the SP want to conceal his exit?
Or was it even something SP even considered?

It may mean that s/he not only knew the time that the CG class started, but what time people would start arriving. Otherwise, what else would be the point of leaving so quickly, as MB had arrived well in advance of the class?

 

[Seriously?]

There is a sink in the middle of the kitchen prep area, has a little sprayer. In the kitchen there was a big black rubber backed rug on floor.JMHO, I don't think the Suspect hung around long afterwards to clean up.

Thank you!!!
I don't think clean up in the sense of tidying up but spraying the blood on shoes or pants, etc with water, change shoes and leave looking like he/she/they have just been out in the rain.

 

[Scout]

Respectfully, I disagree. There's a difference in distance and illumination. I believe the logo on the left side of the jacket is not always being picked up by the camera. And there appears to be a distinct white area (shirt or skin) directly under the chin, which sometimes picks up the light more. I think it's more likely you just can't see the smaller logo at certain angles, distance and light placements. JMO, but that's what I think after rewatching the footage at different speeds and highest quality I could.

Agree with these observations. Thank you.

 

[Razz]

I was thinking.....if the 4:30 arrival did see something of value, no way would mpd put that info out. SP might feel compelled to take that person out too. That's a scary thought.

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[arkansasmimi]

This goes back to where I was thinking the serial number on a firearm was most likely a LEO clearing the building.
From Wise County Texas Constable Crime Scene Search and Processing pdf http://www.co.wise.tx.us/constable/Downloads/Crime Scene Search and Processing.pdf

pg 1/9
Foreword:
The purpose of crime scene investigation is to help establish what happened (crime scene reconstruction) and to identify the responsible person. This is done by carefully documenting the conditions at a crime scene and recognizing all relevant physical
evidence. The ability to recognize and properly collect physical evidence is oftentimes critical to both solving and prosecuting violent crimes. It is no exaggeration to say that in the majority of cases, the law enforcement officer who protects and searches a crime scene plays a critical role in determining whether physical evidence will be used in solving or prosecuting violent crimes.
Responding to a crime scene: initial search

Hot Search
&#8220;High Risk&#8221; response, weapons drawn, quick building searches
Assumes that perpetrator is still in vicinity of crime scene
Thorough search of crime scene and surrounding area
Done immediately after crime scene is discovered

Cold Search
No chance suspect is still on scene or in the area
Done hours or days after crime scene has been discovered
Covers surrounding neighborhood
Residents, etc, canvassed for potential witnesses

 

[zigster58]

I was thinking.....if the 4:30 arrival did see something of value, no way would mpd put that info out. SP might feel compelled to take that person out too. That's a scary thought.

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Not sure if discussed before but I do wonder what perp would have done if a camper did come early and got out to help MB? I'm sure some campers were close to MB and I could see it happening. This murder...imo... was planned weeks before and it was happening with rain or no rain.


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[arkansasmimi]

Reference to when the ATF K9 was brought in on Wed, prior to the CCoC prayer service. We have NOT seen a SW for CCoC from MPD (could be a SW by TX Rangers or another agency but we have not seen one released. IF they did a search for possible evidence and no SW, that would be something that a Def Attorney would file Motion to get excluded as the scene already had been released and also cleaned. JMHO Crime Scene was released at approx noon per Capt Spann 4/18/16.

Per same document Wise County Tx Constable
Crime Scene Search and Processing http://www.co.wise.tx.us/constable/Downloads/Crime Scene Search and Processing.pdf

pg 4/9
Finishing the crime scene processing:
Final Survey:
*The final survey is a review of all aspects of the search.
*Discuss the search with all personnel.
*Ensure all documentation is correct and complete.
*Photograph the scene showing the final condition.
*Ensure all evidence is secured.
*Ensure all equipment is retrieved.
*Ensure hiding places or difficult access areas have not been overlooked.

Release
*Release the crime scene after the final survey.
*Crime scene release documentation should include the time and date of release, to
*whom released, and by whom released.
*Ensure that the evidence is collected according to legal requirements, documented, and marked for identification.
*Consider the need for specialists such as a blood-pattern analyst or a medical examiner to observe the scene before it is released.
*Once the scene has been released, reentry may require a warrant.
*The scene should be released only when all personnel are satisfied that the scene was searched correctly and completely.
*Only the person in charge should release the scene.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I was thinking.....if the 4:30 arrival did see something of value, no way would mpd put that info out. SP might feel compelled to take that person out too. That's a scary thought.

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Yep, I said that over and over. That is one reason that they have not released the Witness Statements the Media wanted. We know that from Cannonballs FOIA.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Thank you!!!
I don't think clean up in the sense of tidying up but spraying the blood on shoes or pants, etc with water, change shoes and leave looking like he/she/they have just been out in the rain.

Yes but that would have taken time. Which again you could be right, we do not know when Suspect left, anywhere up until 5 am for sure a possibility.
Currently I am thinking Suspect went out those NW doors. * IF as said upthread, had went back through the Kitchen, would have either had to leave kitchen door unlocked or propped open. Room 8 had the little foot thing down propping it open when Suspect seen coming out of that room. *we do not know if came out of Kitchen into that room and exited or if the Suspect was just going through open rooms. IF had done that JMHO they would know that (CSI folks) But the whole appearing dry in video (which are grainy but for rain going on jmho would have seen wet clothing) Again unless the SWAT suit and anything Suspect wore was new, potential of finding some trace or fibers. But will have to prove if a match that the Suspect truly was there. That whole purpose of head to toe covering JMHO.

 

[Jethro4WS]

This goes back to where I was thinking the serial number on a firearm was most likely a LEO clearing the building.
From Wise County Texas Constable Crime Scene Search and Processing pdf http://www.co.wise.tx.us/constable/Downloads/Crime Scene Search and Processing.pdf

pg 1/9
Foreword:
The purpose of crime scene investigation is to help establish what happened (crime scene reconstruction) and to identify the responsible person. This is done by carefully documenting the conditions at a crime scene and recognizing all relevant physical
evidence. The ability to recognize and properly collect physical evidence is oftentimes critical to both solving and prosecuting violent crimes. It is no exaggeration to say that in the majority of cases, the law enforcement officer who protects and searches a crime scene plays a critical role in determining whether physical evidence will be used in solving or prosecuting violent crimes.
Responding to a crime scene: initial search

Hot Search
&#8220;High Risk&#8221; response, weapons drawn, quick building searches
Assumes that perpetrator is still in vicinity of crime scene
Thorough search of crime scene and surrounding area
Done immediately after crime scene is discovered

Cold Search
No chance suspect is still on scene or in the area
Done hours or days after crime scene has been discovered
Covers surrounding neighborhood
Residents, etc, canvassed for potential witnesses

The only thing is that from what the Attorney General's office had written it seems that it was singular as in one firearm. I would expect that in clearing a building that size that there would be more than one weapon drawn as it would take several officers to work the interior of the building and I don't know that it would be in their protocol for a lone officer to operate on their own nor have one and only one officer with a drawn weapon when clearing a building. So I still wonder about that particular document that was withheld.

 

[Seriously?]

I really find it hard to believe that there weren't any traces of a bloody footprint or a glove print inside the church to indicate where SP exited the scene.

Since a camera caught MB entering the building, that same camera would have picked up SP on the way out. So my guess would be SP used a different way out. You would think there would be a trace.

I guess which way SP left the building doesn't help find the killer. <..sigh..>

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BBM -
But to rodeo's question about a bloody trail indicating how he/she left, how do we explain that? It seems logical that there was a lot of blood, so how were there not prints? And perhaps there were - we only know what MPD wants us to know <another big sigh >

 

[Jethro4WS]

I was thinking.....if the 4:30 arrival did see something of value, no way would mpd put that info out. SP might feel compelled to take that person out too. That's a scary thought.

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Depending on who SP is - i.e. if they are close to Missy/BB - they would probably know the names of some of the people that were there, at a minimum the person that called BB. It is why I am inclined to believe that SP was gone from the property prior to the arrival of the first camper.

 

[Razz]

Depending on who SP is - i.e. if they are close to Missy/BB - they would probably know the names of some of the people that were there, at a minimum the person that called BB. It is why I am inclined to believe that SP was gone from the property prior to the arrival of the first camper.

Do you think the 4:30 arrivee would be able to id your POI 's car?

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