Found Safe TN - Mary Catherine Elizabeth Thomas, 15, Maury County, 13 March 2017 #10

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Has there been any discussion on TC's YT channel vid likes? Interesting some of them about gun making etc
 
also TC's twitter is quite telling.. Currently searching forums will report if I find anything. Check out NewsChannel5 twitter post about picture of the van they abandoned! First I've heard and seen of this
 
KaaBoom said:
I believe at this point this is just a Class E Felony in Tennessee. It should be about the same seriousness as a DUI conviction. I doubt it will become a federal case.
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I'm a Tennessee lawyer, just sort of coincidentally. A DUI first offense is a misdemeanor.


What Tad has done here is arguably aggravated kidnapping because he is in possession of a deadly weapon. In Tennessee, aggravated kidnapping is a class B felony pursuant to TCA 39-13-304. He is probably also at this point (MOO) guilty of aggravated statutory rape, a class D felony pursuant to TCA 39-13-506(c), and statutory rape by an authority figure, a class C felony pursuant to TCA 39-13-532.


What he has done is also a federal crime because he has transported the minor child across state lines. I am less familiar with federal criminal law but I would imagine that he is subject to federal criminal liability for kidnapping across state lines and transporting a minor across state lines for sexual purposes. These are probably felonies.


I'm annoyed at the constant theme on this thread that what this slimeball has done is "not that illegal." Yes. It IS illegal and it is wrong! It doesn't matter if the child thinks she wants this. At all.
 
KaaBoom said:
I don't know. In two years, she will be 18 and then nothing can keep them apart.
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18 minus 15 is 3 years, not 2. And you're really stretching it assuming she will still be into him in 3 years. The shine is gonna wear off fast and if she's returned to her family, she'll figured out in therapy that she's been taken advantage of. You're really underestimating the incredible amount of frontal lobe development that occurs in those 3 years.
 
Loveandpeace said:
also TC's twitter is quite telling.. Currently searching forums will report if I find anything. Check out NewsChannel5 twitter post about picture of the van they abandoned! First I've heard and seen of this
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The van was a false alarm. It wasn't theirs.
 
On the issue of his wife filing for divorce, I'm actually primarily a divorce lawyer in Tennessee (obviously neither he nor his wife is my client). There is a mandatory waiting period after filing before you can get divorced. If you have minor children together, it's 90 days; if you don't, it's 60 days.


The hurdle for her is going to be service of process. She will have to get him served to divorce him. She could, I suppose, serve him by publication in the newspaper, but if she does, then the court won't have jurisdiction to assess alimony and divide marital property. Given that probably everything she owns is marital property due to the length of the marriage, she wouldn't be able to get clear title to a house or property without actual, rather than constructive, service. Personal service (where someone hands him the papers) is obviously preferable, but just like everybody else, she doesn't know where he is.


My suspicion is that she filed in order to have everything teed up to serve him as soon as he's arrested. After he's served, he'll have 30 days to file an answer before she's entitled to a default judgment, and after a default is granted, most courts will force her to wait another 30 days before having a final hearing (if the waiting period has expired at that point; it's a "whichever is longer" situation).


With respect to alimony, it's true she has a job, but what's not clear is whether he's earning to his capacity. Tennessee alimony law considers fault, although it's primarily based on the obligor's ability to pay and the obligee's financial need. I would suspect alimony will be awarded in this case, although perhaps not a huge monthly obligation because they were hardly wealthy.


MOO but she may feel like filing for divorce is the only thing within her power at this point to say that what Tad is done is NOT okay and she does NOT endorse his behavior. She is probably tired of hearing how he allegedly got special treatment because she works for the school and this is her way of saying she's just as mad as everybody else, if not more.


I heard some concern several pages back that her filing would make it easier for TC to marry ET. The kind of man who would steal a 15 year old child to "marry" her is also the kind of man who isn't going to care one single bit that bigamy is illegal. And until the divorce is finalized, they're still married anyway. But it's not like if TC and ET applied for a marriage license, there's some federal database that would flag him as already married. That just doesn't exist. Of course, they would probably creep whatever county clerk out due to the age difference and I doubt they'd take that risk even with fake IDs.
 
Lori_belle said:
I'm a Tennessee lawyer, just sort of coincidentally. A DUI first offense is a misdemeanor.


What Tad has done here is arguably aggravated kidnapping because he is in possession of a deadly weapon. In Tennessee, aggravated kidnapping is a class B felony pursuant to TCA 39-13-304. He is probably also at this point (MOO) guilty of aggravated statutory rape, a class D felony pursuant to TCA 39-13-506(c), and statutory rape by an authority figure, a class C felony pursuant to TCA 39-13-532.


What he has done is also a federal crime because he has transported the minor child across state lines. I am less familiar with federal criminal law but I would imagine that he is subject to federal criminal liability for kidnapping across state lines and transporting a minor across state lines for sexual purposes. These are probably felonies.


I'm annoyed at the constant theme on this thread that what this slimeball has done is "not that illegal." Yes. It IS illegal and it is wrong! It doesn't matter if the child thinks she wants this. At all.
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thank you. LE said it was a very serious crime.
 
He really creeps me out.

I feel like he'd try and take her to one of those snake worshipping churches in the Deep South and "marry" her there.

Total freak.


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Normancita said:
He really creeps me out.

I feel like he'd try and take her to one of those snake worshipping churches in the Deep South and "marry" her there.

Total freak.


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YEah, i would most churches like that wouldn't marry two strangers off the street, much less with such an age difference. Plus, we now know they went west along the i-40 corridor.
 
Lori_belle said:
On the issue of his wife filing for divorce, I'm actually primarily a divorce lawyer in Tennessee (obviously neither he nor his wife is my client). There is a mandatory waiting period after filing before you can get divorced. If you have minor children together, it's 90 days; if you don't, it's 60 days.


The hurdle for her is going to be service of process. She will have to get him served to divorce him. She could, I suppose, serve him by publication in the newspaper, but if she does, then the court won't have jurisdiction to assess alimony and divide marital property. Given that probably everything she owns is marital property due to the length of the marriage, she wouldn't be able to get clear title to a house or property without actual, rather than constructive, service. Personal service (where someone hands him the papers) is obviously preferable, but just like everybody else, she doesn't know where he is.


My suspicion is that she filed in order to have everything teed up to serve him as soon as he's arrested. After he's served, he'll have 30 days to file an answer before she's entitled to a default judgment, and after a default is granted, most courts will force her to wait another 30 days before having a final hearing (if the waiting period has expired at that point; it's a "whichever is longer" situation).


With respect to alimony, it's true she has a job, but what's not clear is whether he's earning to his capacity. Tennessee alimony law considers fault, although it's primarily based on the obligor's ability to pay and the obligee's financial need. I would suspect alimony will be awarded in this case, although perhaps not a huge monthly obligation because they were hardly wealthy.


MOO but she may feel like filing for divorce is the only thing within her power at this point to say that what Tad is done is NOT okay and she does NOT endorse his behavior. She is probably tired of hearing how he allegedly got special treatment because she works for the school and this is her way of saying she's just as mad as everybody else, if not more.


I heard some concern several pages back that her filing would make it easier for TC to marry ET. The kind of man who would steal a 15 year old child to "marry" her is also the kind of man who isn't going to care one single bit that bigamy is illegal. And until the divorce is finalized, they're still married anyway. But it's not like if TC and ET applied for a marriage license, there's some federal database that would flag him as already married. That just doesn't exist. Of course, they would probably creep whatever county clerk out due to the age difference and I doubt they'd take that risk even with fake IDs.
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i guess that rules out divorce being granted for desertion...
 
Lori_belle said:
YEah, i would most churches like that wouldn't marry two strangers off the street, much less with such an age difference. Plus, we now know they went west along the i-40 corridor.
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i got lost on the direction. Towards Mexico?
 
Lori_belle said:
I'm a Tennessee lawyer, just sort of coincidentally. A DUI first offense is a misdemeanor.


What Tad has done here is arguably aggravated kidnapping because he is in possession of a deadly weapon. In Tennessee, aggravated kidnapping is a class B felony pursuant to TCA 39-13-304. He is probably also at this point (MOO) guilty of aggravated statutory rape, a class D felony pursuant to TCA 39-13-506(c), and statutory rape by an authority figure, a class C felony pursuant to TCA 39-13-532.


What he has done is also a federal crime because he has transported the minor child across state lines. I am less familiar with federal criminal law but I would imagine that he is subject to federal criminal liability for kidnapping across state lines and transporting a minor across state lines for sexual purposes. These are probably felonies.


I'm annoyed at the constant theme on this thread that what this slimeball has done is "not that illegal." Yes. It IS illegal and it is wrong! It doesn't matter if the child thinks she wants this. At all.
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Thanks for your input, and Welcome to WS's. And yes of course what he has done is illegal and in no way is it okay.
 
Lori_belle said:
18 minus 15 is 3 years, not 2. And you're really stretching it assuming she will still be into him in 3 years. The shine is gonna wear off fast and if she's returned to her family, she'll figured out in therapy that she's been taken advantage of. You're really underestimating the incredible amount of frontal lobe development that occurs in those 3 years.
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BBM, Exactly.
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Many parents do not understand why their teenagers occasionally behave in an impulsive, irrational, or dangerous way. At times, it seems like teens don't think things through or fully consider the consequences of their actions. Adolescents differ from adults in the way they behave, solve problems, and make decisions. There is a biological explanation for this difference. Studies have shown that brains continue to mature and develop throughout childhood and adolescence and well into early adulthood.
https://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Familie...-Problem-Solving-and-Decision-Making-095.aspx
 
Aydrianna523 said:
i guess that rules out divorce being granted for desertion...
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"Desertion" is not a ground for divorce in Tennessee, exactly. A couple of grounds come close, like living apart for two years without minor children, turning the spouse out of doors without just cause, etc. What he's done is inappropriate marital conduct, anyway. They can get DIVORCED without him being personally served (they can serve him by publication in the newspaper), but their STUFF can't be divided. And of course the granting of the divorce itself is subject to the mandatory waiting period.
 
Lori_belle said:
18 minus 15 is 3 years, not 2. And you're really stretching it assuming she will still be into him in 3 years. The shine is gonna wear off fast and if she's returned to her family, she'll figured out in therapy that she's been taken advantage of. You're really underestimating the incredible amount of frontal lobe development that occurs in those 3 years.
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ET is 16 in May.. so it is 2 years.. near enough. But yes, she probably won't be the same person she is now, at nearly 16 as she will be when she is 18. I mean, who is?
 
Karinna said:
Thanks for your input, and Welcome to WS's. And yes of course what he has done is illegal and in no way is it okay.
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Thanks! I've been around since the CT case in East Tennessee, but I'm happy to be formally welcomed.
 
Lori_belle said:
Thanks! I've been around since the CT case in East Tennessee, but I'm happy to be formally welcomed.
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Oops, sorry, i just realised you joined up mid last year, guess i should of looked at the join date, :)
 
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