(This case is really getting into my head...so many people look and dress like BG...I think I need to take a break from WS for own sanity....look fwd to celebrating with you guys when and if an arrest is made.)
Well said Jazztune! There are ways to avoid leaving a virtual footprint........ The catfish theory has always been in the back of mind and thinking this was planned either in his own mind or having had contact with one of the girls. I always try to think of my own 12-13 year old self and how innocent a time it was. Even today with all this SM available, they were still innocent young girls.
Meeting up with what they thought was a young boy would definitely have been a secret between them only. In their young minds meeting up with a boy would have been a big deal and they did what they thought was a smart thing to do and when together, rather than alone to meet up with him. Parent's today seem so busy with their own lives and have this false sense of security when the children are at home, safe and sound. Mean while a monster is entering their lives virtually and playing right into a young person's naivete'.
Predator's of modern times have it so easy, they no longer walk around with their trench coats waiting to pounce on their prey. All they have to do today is know a few things about technology and they are off to the races. The predator's are in every child's home, if that child is on SM in one form or fashion....
I'm with you 100%.
I believe he used a burner/trac phone. Maybe even at a pawn shop or some such.
Some members believe it's easy to trace folks, online. I'm here to say "no, it's not", especially when someone knows how to cover their tracks. It's easy to do, really, with all the software available out there. People have used Skype to make fake phone calls to 911, using other's phone #'s to do it. Stuff like that.
I think BG is a lot more sophisticated than many give him credit for.
-FD
I have seen suggestions that these girls were murdered because they witnessed or knew something. What do posters think of those theories?
I realize I'm putting the board on 'blast' again here, with my opinions and I DO apologize. I don't mean to monopolize the floor.
I do want to add one more point though as to why I feel so strongly about the involvement of the social media angle in this case.
I went back and pulled the following article with the comments made by State Police Sergeant Kim Riley right after their murders.
http://heavy.com/news/2017/02/liber...elphi-trails-picture-identity/comment-page-3/
In this article, he said, and I quote: "Parents should make sure they know where their children are and what their children are doing, and if nothing else, know what's going on in their lives. That's the most important thing I can say at this point in time."
These words were carefully chosen by him. They reflect the knowledge that LE had about the crime at that time. Personally, I can't imagine those particular words being said about a random type of encounter at the park.
The girls were dropped off there by a family member, and were due to be picked up by one as well. They were there to hike and take pictures.
Does that sound like a scenario that LE would feel compelled to warn parents about? To use those specific words of knowing where your children are and what they are doing? Do those words fit?
WE (the public) do not know whether Libby posted her plans on social media for that day. But LE DOES. LE has in their possession every single word, message, text, etc posted or sent by Libby.
Imo, their words reflect THAT type of concern. Their message is telling parents to be aware of what their children are doing ONLINE. On their phones. Not for a hike in the park.
I cannot see that specific choice of words by LE for any other reason.
Thank you skibaboo. You are very sweet.
My apologies. I did not mean to get everyone off topic here.
The time has come for me to I finally ban myself. I've had too many infractions and therefore should be banished. LOL
Back to Abby and Libby.
Can you all think of a case where they have a picture of the perp and a recording of his voice and they haven't any idea who this person is that murdered Abby and Libby?
They have a picture, voice recording, possibly DNA, I mean this perp must be from another dimension or homeless.
Then again, maybe not.
Does this case keep you up at night? It does me.
Thank you
Tricia
I tend to agree with your idea of what he meant behind his wording, but my theory of the crime differs from yours so I wanted to dive deeper into his quote and try and see both/all sides to it.
To play devil's advocate, when was this statement made? The article was posted 2 days after the murder. I'd like to think LE knew a whole lot about the crime at that time, but could it be possible that they didn't?
Could it be possible they were frustrated at how little the parents/family knew about the girls' lives (social circles, crushes, relationships with teachers, friends' parents etc.?) and they wanted to relay the message that parents should keep an eye on their children's whereabouts (physically, online, both?) to keep them safe.
I'm not sure how much we should be reading into the specific words, JMO. I can imagine how many emotions, frustrations, and let downs there were surrounding this crime at that point in time.
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I think its a bit far fetched to think a teen (or two of them) would go to meet someone without video chatting with them at the very least.
Unless this bad guy could shape shift into an age appropriate teenager or have a juvenile accomplice, then I think luring them via the internet is just not what happened.
Teens use video to communicate way more than text these days. For them to not use some kind of video chat leading up to meeting someone seems impossible to me.
If they did video chat with this guy and plan on meeting him, I could see it relating to the geocache there at the bridge. However I think they would be smart enough to mention the meetup with the sister who also shares that hobby.
Just my opinion...
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Jmo, if LE knew that there was a particular reason these girls werw murdered, then they would likely know the "who" by now. If there was a social media connection, it would not take five+ months to track down a perp. If they (the girls) were somehow involved or aware of dangerous doings, same. I think LE's words were spoken in a general sense, while not yet knowing why these girls were murdered or if they were targeted. Jmo
I think its a bit far fetched to think a teen (or two of them) would go to meet someone without video chatting with them at the very least.
Unless this bad guy could shape shift into an age appropriate teenager or have a juvenile accomplice, then I think luring them via the internet is just not what happened.
Teens use video to communicate way more than text these days. For them to not use some kind of video chat leading up to meeting someone seems impossible to me.
If they did video chat with this guy and plan on meeting him, I could see it relating to the geocache there at the bridge. However I think they would be smart enough to mention the meetup with the sister who also shares that hobby.
Just my opinion...
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Thanks JazzTune, that is a very telling quote. He has reason to believe that this incident is related to ongoing circumstances, not a random occurrence.
I don't tend to go for social media/catfish/stalker theories because I think it is easier for a perp to randomly find a suitable victim in a great spot versus finding a great victim and getting them to a suitable spot. I mean, how long out was this not-a-snow-day planned? But LE knows a lot more than we do.
And I have probably made assumptions from their overall appearances that probably aren't worth much - there can be a vast discrepancy in how interested teens are in non-platonic relationships and hence how vulnerable they might be in a variety of scenarios. How they present themselves doesn't correlate, they can be sport loving, not bothered with presenting themselves in mature ways in fashion, makeup and dress, but still be interested enough to get sucked in to a bad situation.
Like Tricia states, we have video, a sketch and possible DNA and no one knows who this guys is so far it seems. I think there is a chance this could go cold, unless he strikes again and makes two mistakes - a link to this case, and a link to his identity.