NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

[human]

That is absolutely sick. Death stares them in the face, probably the #1 traumatic experience of their lives and then they get harassed and accused by anonymous idiots? No wonder more people don't come forward to share their experience.

I agree about JC. Every time his name gets mentioned in the news the CT salivating begins once again as if he's become a hunted character in some kind of virtual game.

That SP, by shooting hundreds of rounds into a crowd of strangers, destroying and forever changing their lives, has attracted a following of CT who cyber attack and bully the same victims....utter cruelty. Seriously something wrong there.

Why are people not looking at SP? Why? Unbelievable,

The info re Orlando. Sick

 

[MistyWaters]

It's truly unbelievable to me that any time there is a mass shooting, people SWEAR the victims are crisis actors. I cannot wrap my head around that. What an absurd concept IMO.

This is an article about the conspiracies swirling around after the Orlando shooting. I found it interesting and relative to this tragedy as well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/...crisis-actor-conspiracy-theories-surface.html

And if anyone is truly that sceptical, they have the option of travelling to LV to take a look around and talk to people because if, in their opinion, they were let down by the media who did a poor job of sharing enough photos of blood, gore and terror to prove it really happened.

No it's far easier to sit hidden on the other side of a screen and tap out cruel insinuations or accusations toward innocent people.

 

[MistyWaters]

Why are people not looking at SP? Why? Unbelievable,

The info re Orlando. Sick

"She described the triggerman as “paranoid” and “obsessive,” often ranting for hours that the terror attacks on 9/11 were an inside job done at the behest of the U.S. government"
http://torontosun.com/2017/10/09/ve...-sex/wcm/998c3de0-9231-43df-9779-6725f93e81eb

BBM
I continue to wonder if there's some truth to this comment. If there is, SP would surely have predicted he'd have the ability to dredge up a following, a fan club of sorts, proclaiming that he was set up or it didn't really happen. I guess then he joins the long list of CT, one of "the biggest victims in the world". What an achievement, did he expect to survive and watch himself being vindicated as well :-(

 

[everybodhi]

Exactly. Sometimes bullet is in the location that it would be dangerous to remove it.

Case in point, Deserae Turner, a teenaged girl living with a bullet in her brain.

 

[Footwarrior]

That is absolutely sick. Death stares them in the face, probably the #1 traumatic experience of their lives and then they get harassed and accused by anonymous idiots? No wonder more people don't come forward to share their experience.

I agree about JC. Every time his name gets mentioned in the news the CT salivating begins once again as if he's become a hunted character in some kind of virtual game.

That SP, by shooting hundreds of rounds into a crowd of strangers, destroying and forever changing their lives, has attracted a following of CT who cyber attack and bully the same victims....utter cruelty. Seriously something wrong there.

The idea that the Las Vegas shootings are fake didn't grow on it's own. It had plenty of help from creeps like Alex Jones that make a living promoting conspiracy theories.

 

[bluesneakers]

Then what was he doing with a laptop in his room without a hard drive?

How long was he in the room before the hard drive was removed? It would help if they knew the last time he'd logged in to his email or bank accounts or websleuths. But anyway, if we don't know when the last time it was used it's possible he could have used it in the days leading up to the shooting and gotten rid of it that day.

 

[bluesneakers]

Yea for sure! That's what would make the most sense. It just adds to the questions of what was found in the room? The Swat officers said it looked like a gun store. Why would he have so many guns? And why would he set it up in such a way that it looks like a store?

It didn't look like a gun store to me. I think they were referencing the number of guns not how they were set up.

 

[bluesneakers]

The idea that the Las Vegas shootings are fake didn't grow on it's own. It had plenty of help from creeps like Alex Jones that make a living promoting conspiracy theories.

People still believe Alex Jones after he admitted he's a performance artist simply playing a character?

 

[MistyWaters]

"Oddly the friend said Bruce thought his brother took the coward's way out and should have fought to the death with police rather than shooting himself.
'His opinion is his brother should have went out shooting with the cops,' he said. 'If he was that willing to set up everything like he did, he should have gone out with a blaze of glory. You're going to do all that and not go out in a blaze of glory, that makes no sense.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nab-brother-wandered-naked.html#ixzz4wd9Qf5RN

I think LE was wise to dig through the history of Bruce searching for evidence of crimes to get him locked away not only for his own sake but for the benefit of others. In this same article it claims he was also attempting to write letters to the victims. The man is clearly disturbed and now through his brother, is leveraging attention onto himself.

Lack of respect for the lives of police officers is but a tiny step away from drooling over child *advertiser censored* as neither have compassion for victims of crime. I highly doubt he was "set up".

JMO

 

[kittythehare]

heres some gorey details https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/...-paddock-brain.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur


Dr. Vogel said he was briefed on Wednesday about the condition of the shooter’s brain, including damage caused by an apparently self-inflicted bullet wound to his head. While the injury may compromise the overall assessment of the brain, he said, “I think for a lot of things people are speculating about, it’s still quite usable, pending viewing it.”
The correlation of what might be structurally there to behavior is very difficult,” Dr. Leestma said. “Often it raises more questions than it answers.”

In the case of the Las Vegas gunman, who was 64, there has been speculation focused on a disease process known as fronto-temporal lobar degeneration.

Most psychiatric illnesses, however, are not currently discernible by this type of examination

 

[kittythehare]

How long was he in the room before the hard drive was removed? It would help if they knew the last time he'd logged in to his email or bank accounts or websleuths. But anyway, if we don't know when the last time it was used it's possible he could have used it in the days leading up to the shooting and gotten rid of it that day.

Thanks for making me giggle, i really needed it.. this case is becoming a bottomless pit of despair for me.
No point in us searching for it, is there? LOL
We could start a new hoax regarding his log ins.......simple minds etc. LOL

 

[bluesneakers]

Thanks for making me giggle, i really needed it.. this case is becoming a bottomless pit of despair for me.
No point in us searching for it, is there? LOL
We could start a new hoax regarding his log ins.......simple minds etc. LOL

It's the little things.

 

[MistyWaters]

The idea that the Las Vegas shootings are fake didn't grow on it's own. It had plenty of help from creeps like Alex Jones that make a living promoting conspiracy theories.

I think critical thinking is healthy but the danger is some of these creeps literally brainwash people into thinking absolutely everything is a conspiracy. My example is the brother of a friend. One can't mention anything in casual conversation in the way of local or current events in his presence without him tossing out allegations of conspiracy or corruption or both. But I also notice over time he forgets who he placed in the role of good or bad guys and he switches the root of the bad deed from one to another. Otherwise he's intelligent and articulate but because he continually preaches his views as fact, other people definitely tend to avoid him and make fun of him behind his back. It seems to me as if he and his strong CT beliefs are very similar to someone who has become an extreme religious fanatic.

 

[CoolJ]

It didn't look like a gun store to me. I think they were referencing the number of guns not how they were set up.

I am just asking the questions based on what they said and they said it almost looked like a gun store. But the real question is why would he have so many weapons in a hotel room? He didn't need anywhere near that amount to do what he did. In fact, the chances of being caught would have been significantly greater. More chances for someone to get suspicious, harder to hide his armoury from housekeeping etc...

It just doesn't add up for me.

 

[JaneEyre]

"Oddly the friend said Bruce thought his brother took the coward's way out and should have fought to the death with police rather than shooting himself.
'His opinion is his brother should have went out shooting with the cops,' he said. 'If he was that willing to set up everything like he did, he should have gone out with a blaze of glory. You're going to do all that and not go out in a blaze of glory, that makes no sense.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nab-brother-wandered-naked.html#ixzz4wd9Qf5RN

I think LE was wise to dig through the history of Bruce searching for evidence of crimes to get him locked away not only for his own sake but for the benefit of others. In this same article it claims he was also attempting to write letters to the victims. The man is clearly disturbed and now through his brother, is leveraging attention onto himself.

Lack of respect for the lives of police officers is but a tiny step away from drooling over child *advertiser censored* as neither have compassion for victims of crime. I highly doubt he was "set up".

JMO

Nuts. It's as if he's more ashamed of him committing suicide than killing a bunch of people.

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[JaneEyre]

heres some gorey details https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/...-paddock-brain.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur


Dr. Vogel said he was briefed on Wednesday about the condition of the shooter’s brain, including damage caused by an apparently self-inflicted bullet wound to his head. While the injury may compromise the overall assessment of the brain, he said, “I think for a lot of things people are speculating about, it’s still quite usable, pending viewing it.”
The correlation of what might be structurally there to behavior is very difficult,” Dr. Leestma said. “Often it raises more questions than it answers.”

In the case of the Las Vegas gunman, who was 64, there has been speculation focused on a disease process known as fronto-temporal lobar degeneration.

Most psychiatric illnesses, however, are not currently discernible by this type of examination

They are finding "proof" of psychiatric illnesses through MRIs now. But that, of course, is based on the brain being alive while they are looking. So what we are learning about these illnesses and issues in the brain have less to do with structure and more to do with how everything in there is or is not "firing."

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[kittythehare]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/...=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

Mr. Paddock apparently removed the hard drive from at least one computer found in his room at the Mandalay Bay

Additionally, housekeepers had visited Mr. Paddock’s room, where he fired on the crowd below, more than once in the days before the shooting, but did not notice any sign of his large stockpile of weapons. He also ordered room service at least once, according to people with knowledge of the security response inside the hotel.

raising doubts about whether Mr. Paddock had any grievance against the hotel. He also gambled during his stay the weekend of the shooting.

 

[gitana1]

heres some gorey details https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/...-paddock-brain.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur


Dr. Vogel said he was briefed on Wednesday about the condition of the shooter’s brain, including damage caused by an apparently self-inflicted bullet wound to his head. While the injury may compromise the overall assessment of the brain, he said, “I think for a lot of things people are speculating about, it’s still quite usable, pending viewing it.”
The correlation of what might be structurally there to behavior is very difficult,” Dr. Leestma said. “Often it raises more questions than it answers.”

In the case of the Las Vegas gunman, who was 64, there has been speculation focused on a disease process known as fronto-temporal lobar degeneration.

Most psychiatric illnesses, however, are not currently discernible by this type of examination

This family has quite a strain of something wrong in their DNA it seems. Psychopathy seems to be running deep within them. Dad's a bank robber, one son a pedophile and another who likely murdered a bunch of happy, innocent people because he wanted to punish them for his own feelings of chronic emptiness.

On another note I see a lot of nonsense online about suspicions as to how this child pronogrpqhy was discovered or got there. Geez Louise. Of course the FBI is going to be searching the records of everyone connected to this coward. They need to be able to rule out any ideologically based plan or assitanxeeorm others in this massacre, etc. Just like they do for any horrific crime of this magnitude.

 

[kittythehare]

This family has quite a strain of something wrong in their DNA it seems. Psychopathy seems to be running deep within them. Dad's a bank robber, one son a pedophile and another who likely murdered a bunch of happy, innocent people because he wanted to punish them for his own feelings of chronic emptiness.

On another note I see a lot of nonsense online about suspicions as to how this child pronogrpqhy was discovered or got there. Geez Louise. Of course the FBI is going to be searching the records of everyone connected to this coward. They need to be able to rule out any ideologically based plan or assitanxeeorm others in this massacre, etc. Just like they do for any horrific crime of this magnitude.

Yes indeed.
not sure its DNA, could be learned behaviour, traits.. absent father syndrome or nothing at all..
People have choices.
If every behaviour has a positive intention (NLP) what did Paddock hope to achieve by a mass killing?
What did he want from it?
What aspect of himself did he think would benefit from carrying it out?

Was it ego, infamy, revenge for the State taking his father and imprisoning him?
We have no clue at all..
It was said to be meticulously planned.
It probably was in that housekeeping were in his suite several times acc to NYT article, but saw nothing.
Generally they clean room, bathrooms dust and vacuum.. where was the gun stash during their visits?

I had assumed he had them assembled for a few days.. it was reported he had a 'do not disturb' sign on his door.

Was the hard drive an after thought or part of his evil creation which would contribute to the 'enigma status' he so clearly craved?

wheels within wheels.. we will be dizzy if not stir crazy by the time we get to understand his thought process..

 

[gitana1]

I am just asking the questions based on what they said and they said it almost looked like a gun store. But the real question is why would he have so many weapons in a hotel room? He didn't need anywhere near that amount to do what he did. In fact, the chances of being caught would have been significantly greater. More chances for someone to get suspicious, harder to hide his armoury from housekeeping etc...

It just doesn't add up for me.

Why do psychos do anything they do? It never "adds up".

Logic works though. He had how many guns in there? Yet the sounds that can be clearly heard during the concert evidence only one gun being fired (with a richochet echo perhaps), out of one hole in one of two windows, at a time, so what does that mean? A hoard of government agents or political terrorists got into the room unseen by anyone but each other and then stood around while one guy shot off one weapon?

Or in order to satisfy those who don't understand basic science and how sound travels, so let's say two guys were simultaneously firing out of two windows. Why do they need more than two or three guns? There was a still a "gun store" in that room with far more than was necessary for two people for those who don't understand basic science.

Guns are a symbol in our country. A symbol of manliness power. Machismo. Control. Rage. Bravery. Strength. The more guns the more of all of that. Clearly this creep was sending a message to the world. His amount of guns was a nice FU to all of us. See what he could amass? See how powerful he could be and how much death he could cause?

This coward was a sociopath like his father with chronic feelings of emptiness, IMO.

Despite gambling large sums at big casinos and having a girlfriend who liked him, he had little, was little and didn't matter much. Quiet and unassuming, he had almost no recognition.

He achieved in death and horror that which he could not achieve in life.