Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #16 *Arrest*

[SouthAussie]

If there’s a spare bed - use it.
It my pet hate if someone is too lazy to go to bed.
It’s gross stinking up a couch especially without washable covers.

Well, I guess that is the question. Was there a spare bed? Or just spare bedrooms.

I was wondering that too. Perhaps the couch was in the 'power position' where he could monitor everyone coming and going but escape questions about his own activities. Or perhaps he was marking his non-consent to ejection from Karen's bedroom.

Apparently, according to an MSM report, Sarah claims that his sleeping on the couch was to due to his Uber driving.
Though I cannot fathom why sleeping in a spare room would not allow him the same freedoms to come and go for that purpose, without disturbing anyone else.
If anyone wanted to know where he had been (Uber driving) there is a record of their driving transactions available online - if the driver cares to show their spouse.

Magistrate Suzanne Cameron heard that Mr Ristevski did some driving for the ride share service Uber and sometimes would sleep on the couch downstairs if he worked late.
He might also fall asleep watching late night television, Sarah Ristevski said.
'He was very worried': Karen Ristevski's daughter says family was 'very close'

 

[Poirot's niece]

He probably slept on the couch if he liked to watch tv, also closer to the garage and his shisha and the bbq shapes.

 

[SouthAussie]

He probably slept on the couch if he liked to watch tv, also closer to the garage and his shisha and the bbq shapes.

And more convenient for slipping in and out from nights at the casino, and whatever else he got up to.

 

[they'll get you]

The neighbours testimony about the morning fight will be important.

A woman screaming in fear or a man yelling obscenities or a woman’s uncontrollable banshee.

Importance plus!
So much more will come out in this trial.

 

[Bohemian]

And more convenient for slipping in and out from nights at the casino, and whatever else he got up to.

Living (and having to work!) with a loathsome no-hoper would make anyone want to up and leave. I think BR really put the screws on Karen, restricting her freedom, controlling her every move, that she did tell him she was leaving that fateful day. I think he did hit the roof and ended her life as a result.

 

[SouthAussie]

Living (and having to work!) with a loathsome no-hoper would make anyone want to up and leave. I think BR really put the screws on Karen, restricting her freedom, controlling her every move, that she did tell him she was leaving that fateful day. I think he did hit the roof and ended her life as a result.

I am with you on that, except I think Karen told him much earlier than that fateful day that she would be leaving ... and he could tell that she meant it. He was consequently evicted from their bedroom to the couch.
Karen had perhaps even updated him on herself finding a bedsitter or such for her to live in, her planned departure date could have been looming with the availability of such accommodation.

Sarah had recently turned 21, and that played a pivotal role in Karen's planned departure timing.

Also, hence Sarah and Karen not getting along in the weeks prior to Karen's murder, and the Envirovision bank account and ABN being set up in June - just prior to the murder.

imo

 

[Bohemian]

I am with you on that, except I think Karen told him much earlier than that fateful day that she would be leaving ... and he could tell that she meant it. He was consequently evicted from their bedroom to the couch.
Karen had perhaps even updated him on herself finding of a bedsitter or such for her to live in, her planned departure date could have been looming with the availability of such accommodation.

Sarah had recently turned 21, and that played a pivotal role in Karen's planned departure timing.

Also, hence Sarah and Karen not getting along in the weeks prior to Karen's murder, and the Envirovision bank account and ABN being set up in June - just prior to the murder.

imo

Maybe that day was the day Karen decided enough was enough. Poor Karen.

 

[SouthAussie]

The neighbours testimony about the morning fight will be important.

A woman screaming in fear or a man yelling obscenities or a woman’s uncontrollable banshee.

Importance plus!
So much more will come out in this trial.

Yes, so much more will come out. We certainly have not yet heard 22,000+ pages of evidence.
Though certain things may be suppressed.

POLICE are today expected to argue evidence in the case against accused wife killer Borce Ristevski should be kept secret.
Ms Haban-Beer is arguing the evidence from an Optus technician before the court could be harmful to police operations if made public because it reveals critical details about police methodology.
Borce Ristevski: Evidence the cops want hidden

He appeared briefly via video link in April where the court heard his defence team were wading their way through 22,000 pages of evidence, including transcripts of recorded phone calls.
What Ristevski did on day wife died

 

[sleepinoz]

Ant in court again this week for a mention.

EFAS

 

[they'll get you]

Maybe that day was the day Karen decided enough was enough. Poor Karen.

What was the letter that concerned Karen

 

[they'll get you]

Ant in court again this week for a mention.

EFAS

Too many loose canons in that crazy Ristevski bunch.

It appears to me Karen was the only stable peg.

 

[JLZ]

I am with you on that, except I think Karen told him much earlier than that fateful day that she would be leaving ... and he could tell that she meant it. He was consequently evicted from their bedroom to the couch.
Karen had perhaps even updated him on herself finding a bedsitter or such for her to live in, her planned departure date could have been looming with the availability of such accommodation.

Sarah had recently turned 21, and that played a pivotal role in Karen's planned departure timing.

Also, hence Sarah and Karen not getting along in the weeks prior to Karen's murder, and the Envirovision bank account and ABN being set up in June - just prior to the murder.

imo

BBM--The link with Sarah turning 21 has a jokey sound to me, maybe something that might have been said about the distant future. Otherwise, why would a parent link what should be a triumphal occasion for her daughter with the breakdown of her parents' marriage? That's . . . cruel. The timing was something for Karen to decide given circumstances we don't entirely know, but surely there was no practical reason to wait for Sarah's 21st birthday.

 

[JLZ]

What was the letter that concerned Karen

I don't know where the information about the letter came from, obviously I've missed an article. Was it a letter Karen received, or one she was writing that was giving her concern? (Goodbye . . . .) Or is this another 'look over there' tactic, something else in her life other than Borce to potentially explain her getting killed? (Was there a letter?)

 

[tmar]

Daniel Holdom pleads guilty to the murder of mother and daughter
43 mins ago
Daniel James Holdom, 43, on Tuesday pleaded guilty to two counts of murder only a week before he was due to stand trial in the NSW Supreme Court for the murders of Karlie Pearce-Stevenson and her daughter Khandalyce Pearce.

Only a week before trial.
Perhaps, BR may consider the same, so his 'dirty linen' isn't revealed further.

 

[sleepinoz]

BBM--The link with Sarah turning 21 has a jokey sound to me, maybe something that might have been said about the distant future. Otherwise, why would a parent link what should be a triumphal occasion for her daughter with the breakdown of her parents' marriage? That's . . . cruel. The timing was something for Karen to decide given circumstances we don't entirely know, but surely there was no practical reason to wait for Sarah's 21st birthday.

She could have had some sort of Trust fund maturing when she turned 21.

 

[purpleandgreen]

So he was/is 'cold'.

I know I'm stereotyping, but he sure does look cold. IMO.

 

[tmar]

I don't know where the information about the letter came from, obviously I've missed an article. Was it a letter Karen received, or one she was writing that was giving her concern? (Goodbye . . . .) Or is this another 'look over there' tactic, something else in her life other than Borce to potentially explain her getting killed? (Was there a letter?)

At Committal Hearing, Sarah stated that BR said 'there was a letter', when questioned about the fight.
Sarah also states, she didn't know of any letter.

 

[Trooper]

Daniel Holdom pleads guilty to the murder of mother and daughter
43 mins ago
Daniel James Holdom, 43, on Tuesday pleaded guilty to two counts of murder only a week before he was due to stand trial in the NSW Supreme Court for the murders of Karlie Pearce-Stevenson and her daughter Khandalyce Pearce.

Only a week before trial.
Perhaps, BR may consider the same, so his 'dirty linen' isn't revealed further.

I am expecting this from Borce, for a whole lot of reasons, his age, for one thing. He needs that 25% discount off a sentence , being rewarded for saving the courts time and money.... It may well be the only hope he has of seeing daylight without bars in his lifetime.

Also, he is under the auspices of Legal Aid . .. and yes, his lawyers have said he'll be pleading not guilty, all this stuff, lawyers have to say this kind of thing, and after it's all done and dusted no one remembers.

His panel ,( the one's who decide how far the state granted Legal Aid Funds go ) may suggest, in unarguable terms, to Borce , that a guilty plea down the road is all he's got.

I have a couple of Merino rams on it, actually.

 

[SouthAussie]

Maybe the letter was something about Sarah being a shareholder in Borce's business? Maybe she had only become a shareholder recently, seeing that Borce had only just opened the bank account and activated an ABN for Envirovision.
Somehow I can't imagine Karen wanting to see her daughter involved in Borce's murky business dealings.

He said that Mr and Ms Ristevski's daughter, Sarah, was listed as a shareholder.
Assets moved to company in Borce Ristevski's name before wife disappeared, court told


A member of a company is often called a shareholder.
There are a number of ways you can become a member of a company. You can:

- be listed as a member at the time of registration of the company. You must have given your written consent to be a member before the application for registration is made. The names and addresses of all persons who have consented to be members form part of the application for registration as an Australian company
- agree to become a member of a company that is already registered with us. After you have given written consent and your name is entered on the register of members, the company is responsible for notifying us of changes to the register of members, or
- already be a member of a company limited by guarantee when it converts to a company limited by shares.
Company shareholders | ASIC - Australian Securities and Investments Commission

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Somehow I can't imagine Karen wanting to see her daughter involved in Borce's murky business dealings.

^^^^ This!Perhaps this was the most important reason for "a fight". IMO