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Not sure if anyone saw, but Sunday there was an updated 48 hours that aired about the case on cbs. I believe it’s available for streaming if you’d like to see it
GUILTY Ca - Becky Friedli, 18, Vicki, 53, & Jon Hayward, 55, Slain, Palm Desert, 17 Sep 2006
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Hi Xojo, Do you have more details, so I can try to look this up?
Thanks, in anticipation
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Hi Xojo, Do you have more details, so I can try to look this up?
Thanks, in anticipation
Sure! Here’s a link
Watch 48 Hours Season 30 Episode 57: Murder in Pinyon Pines - Full show on CBS All Access
I likewise watched an updated version of the CBS 48 hours documentary. As far as I could tell, it was much the same as the previous version, apart from an epilogue that had been added (from 40:10 onward).
Indeed it would be interesting to have been a fly on the wall of the jury room for the 10 days, and learn exactly what parts of the evidence persuaded the jurors to reach the conclusion that they did.
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Hi bergertime
Hi bergertime...i think we see this case differently & that's ok This is just my take...
I hate to speak for other people since I wasn't a jury member...but most circumstantial cases are based on just that - the circumstances.
Like I said, I wasn't on the jury, but with the evidence that was published; I would have found them guilty.
Their stories conflicted on the night of the murders...RP said they were in CS's Oldsmobile...CS said they were in his Acura.
They said they cancelled plans with Becky, but becky told her friend that RP & CS were on their way up to her house . Was he lying? There was no evidence to indicate he was being deceitful. In fact, everything he did was checked & corroborated by the cops & FBI. Phone records show a call from Becky's home to RP's cell, pinging off the tower towards hwy 74 (their alibi said they were going north, not towards Becky's house) cell phone evidence shows them proceeding towards the crime scene. The FBI testified that in higher altitudes phones can sometimes ping off other/further towers...(cell phone
Companies will warn you of this close to the border; you could accumulate international charges in higher elevations.)
Their phones were both off right after this...either they both turned them off or they were in an area with no cell phone service. (This was unusual for both. RP’s wife testified that it was the only time she wasn't able to get a hold of him. It never ever happened before the murders or after)
If they had been where they claimed to be - Paintballing...CS's house...their phones would have pinged in that area.
RP & Becky were texting & talking quite a bit right up until the murders & then he never attempted to contact her ever gain after that - that is powerful evidence to me...he knew she was dead.
The guy in the red truck that the fire truck encountered is nothing...what evidence is there that he was involved?? Nothing. Just because he was being a moron on the road??? There are plenty of random jerks out there all the time. There is absolutely no evidence connecting him.
The card with CS' fingerprint & DNA seals the deal for me. There is absolutely no reason for his DNA to be there...he said he had never been there. If the card was found in a jacket, or in her car (I would still find that highly suspicious) .But for it to be found at the murder scene??
The defense tried to discredit the dna evidence b/c of poor testing or whatever. It was his DNA at the murder scene. Someone's dna can't be found somewhere because of poor testing. Some testing procedures aren't as accurate as others; but his was as accurate as modern testing can get. The chances of it being anyone other than CS are 1 in 28 trillion.
Not to mention RP lying about owning the guns. And having accessories for a Glock
Remember..."reasonable doubt" doesn't mean beyond any doubt. Not all the questions will be answered. & Who knows why people do the things they do. Was she posed? Why did they do it? Only they know. We can only look at the evidence for our conclusions. A common phrase in forensics: "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" Just because no DNA was found on the wheelbarrow handles or her socks doesn't mean they weren't there. & The unknown dna on her socks could have come from anywhere. That is common.
The totality of evidence convinces me way beyond a reasonable doubt that they're guilty. There isn't a single piece of evidence pointing towards anyone else.
& The theory of the cops having tunnel vision? It took over 6 years before an arrest was made...12 years for a conviction. The case passed through several different investigators. They took their time investigating this one.
There have been many convictions on a lot less evidence than what was presented in this case
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Regarding sentencing tomorrow (8/10): the twitter account to follow is www.twitter.com/jakeKESQ
As you may have guessed, our local media has a high turnover rate because lots of the journalists leave to either work as reporters in larger areas or anchor local news in smaller towns. For those of you who followed the entire trial, Zak Dalheimer has already left for a larger market.
As you may have guessed, our local media has a high turnover rate because lots of the journalists leave to either work as reporters in larger areas or anchor local news in smaller towns. For those of you who followed the entire trial, Zak Dalheimer has already left for a larger market.
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Friday, August 10th:
*Sentencing for both (@ 8:30am PT) CA - Rebecca 'Becky' Annaleigh Friedli (18), Vicki Friedli (53) & Jon Hayward (55) (Mom's BF) (Sept. 17, 2006) - *Cristin Conrad Smith (27/17 @ time of crime) accused & charged with 3 counts of murder w/special circumstances allegedly of committing multiple murders. Plead not guilty. Faces LWOP was juvenile @ time of crime.
*Robert Lars Pape (28/18 @ time of crime) (ex-BF) charged with 3 counts of murder w/special circumstances allegedly of committing multiple murders. Plead not guilty. Faces the LWOP.
6/7/18: Verdict in:
Pape: 1st degree murder of Becky – Not Guilty
Pape: 2nd degree murder of Becky – Guilty
Pape: 1st degree murder of Vicki & Jon - Guilty
Pape: Guilty of special circumstances found true.
Smith: 1st degree & 2nd degree murder of Becky – Not guilty
Smith: 1st degree murder of Vicki & John – Guilty
Smith: Guilty of special circumstances found true.
Sentencing scheduled for Aug. 10th @ 8:30am
*Sentencing for both (@ 8:30am PT) CA - Rebecca 'Becky' Annaleigh Friedli (18), Vicki Friedli (53) & Jon Hayward (55) (Mom's BF) (Sept. 17, 2006) - *Cristin Conrad Smith (27/17 @ time of crime) accused & charged with 3 counts of murder w/special circumstances allegedly of committing multiple murders. Plead not guilty. Faces LWOP was juvenile @ time of crime.
*Robert Lars Pape (28/18 @ time of crime) (ex-BF) charged with 3 counts of murder w/special circumstances allegedly of committing multiple murders. Plead not guilty. Faces the LWOP.
6/7/18: Verdict in:
Pape: 1st degree murder of Becky – Not Guilty
Pape: 2nd degree murder of Becky – Guilty
Pape: 1st degree murder of Vicki & Jon - Guilty
Pape: Guilty of special circumstances found true.
Smith: 1st degree & 2nd degree murder of Becky – Not guilty
Smith: 1st degree murder of Vicki & John – Guilty
Smith: Guilty of special circumstances found true.
Sentencing scheduled for Aug. 10th @ 8:30am
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Pinyon Pines murder case: Defendants sentenced to life without parole
Robert Pape and Cristin Smith have been sentenced to life without parole in the 2006 triple murders of Jon Hayward, his girlfriend, Vicki Friedli, and her 18-year-old daughter, Rebecca "Becky" Friedli, in Pinyon Pines.
The sentencing was an all-day process Friday at the Riverside Hall of Justice, with the judge hearing testimony from supporters and detractors of Pape and Smith. It capped off a years-long case that began the night three people were found dead at their burning San Jacinto Mountain home on Sept. 17, 2006.
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Pape and Smith each spoke during the closing moments of Friday's hearing. And although they acknowledged the Hayward and Friedli families suffered tragic losses, they remained insistent they did not commit the crimes for which they'd been convicted.
"I feel no shame and I feel no remorse because I did not take your loved ones from you,” Smith said during an impassioned plea. "The fact is, I’m innocent and I did not commit these crimes. And that will never change.”
Smith's words drew a brief round of applause that was countered by someone on the victims' side shouting, "Becky deserves justice, too."
Robert Pape and Cristin Smith have been sentenced to life without parole in the 2006 triple murders of Jon Hayward, his girlfriend, Vicki Friedli, and her 18-year-old daughter, Rebecca "Becky" Friedli, in Pinyon Pines.
The sentencing was an all-day process Friday at the Riverside Hall of Justice, with the judge hearing testimony from supporters and detractors of Pape and Smith. It capped off a years-long case that began the night three people were found dead at their burning San Jacinto Mountain home on Sept. 17, 2006.
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Pape and Smith each spoke during the closing moments of Friday's hearing. And although they acknowledged the Hayward and Friedli families suffered tragic losses, they remained insistent they did not commit the crimes for which they'd been convicted.
"I feel no shame and I feel no remorse because I did not take your loved ones from you,” Smith said during an impassioned plea. "The fact is, I’m innocent and I did not commit these crimes. And that will never change.”
Smith's words drew a brief round of applause that was countered by someone on the victims' side shouting, "Becky deserves justice, too."
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They have been convicted and are now in the position of having to prove those convictions are the result of some egregious error.
If there is any chance at all that these two are innocent of these crimes, I do hope evidence comes to light sooner rather than later. The only thing worse than a murder going unsolved is one that results in an innocent party or parties being incarcerated for the crime. It is inconceivable that anyone would want such an outcome.
And yet, it certainly does happen. Our justice system is far from perfect.
Still, I am convinced beyond reasonable doubt that Pape and Smith have committed the crimes for which they were charged, tried and found guilty. Prior to trial they were presumed innocent until proven guilty; at present they are adjudicated guilty until proven otherwise.
There is evidence of their presence at the scene, as well as motive. Their alibis did not hold water. No evidence points to any other party or parties, nor has a motive been uncovered for anyone else. They are guilty, not just legally but as a matter of fact.
If there is any chance at all that these two are innocent of these crimes, I do hope evidence comes to light sooner rather than later. The only thing worse than a murder going unsolved is one that results in an innocent party or parties being incarcerated for the crime. It is inconceivable that anyone would want such an outcome.
And yet, it certainly does happen. Our justice system is far from perfect.
Still, I am convinced beyond reasonable doubt that Pape and Smith have committed the crimes for which they were charged, tried and found guilty. Prior to trial they were presumed innocent until proven guilty; at present they are adjudicated guilty until proven otherwise.
There is evidence of their presence at the scene, as well as motive. Their alibis did not hold water. No evidence points to any other party or parties, nor has a motive been uncovered for anyone else. They are guilty, not just legally but as a matter of fact.
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Pinyon Pines murder case: Defendants sentenced to life without parole
Robert Pape and Cristin Smith have been sentenced to life without parole in the 2006 triple murders of Jon Hayward, his girlfriend, Vicki Friedli, and her 18-year-old daughter, Rebecca "Becky" Friedli, in Pinyon Pines.
The sentencing was an all-day process Friday at the Riverside Hall of Justice, with the judge hearing testimony from supporters and detractors of Pape and Smith. It capped off a years-long case that began the night three people were found dead at their burning San Jacinto Mountain home on Sept. 17, 2006.
[.....]
Pape and Smith each spoke during the closing moments of Friday's hearing. And although they acknowledged the Hayward and Friedli families suffered tragic losses, they remained insistent they did not commit the crimes for which they'd been convicted.
"I feel no shame and I feel no remorse because I did not take your loved ones from you,” Smith said during an impassioned plea. "The fact is, I’m innocent and I did not commit these crimes. And that will never change.”
Smith's words drew a brief round of applause that was countered by someone on the victims' side shouting, "Becky deserves justice, too."
So Pleased for the results.
Now probably, we'll have the Appeals.
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Pinyon Pines murder case: Defendants sentenced to life without parole
Robert Pape and Cristin Smith have been sentenced to life without parole in the 2006 triple murders of Jon Hayward, his girlfriend, Vicki Friedli, and her 18-year-old daughter, Rebecca "Becky" Friedli, in Pinyon Pines.
The sentencing was an all-day process Friday at the Riverside Hall of Justice, with the judge hearing testimony from supporters and detractors of Pape and Smith. It capped off a years-long case that began the night three people were found dead at their burning San Jacinto Mountain home on Sept. 17, 2006.
[.....]
Pape and Smith each spoke during the closing moments of Friday's hearing. And although they acknowledged the Hayward and Friedli families suffered tragic losses, they remained insistent they did not commit the crimes for which they'd been convicted.
"I feel no shame and I feel no remorse because I did not take your loved ones from you,” Smith said during an impassioned plea. "The fact is, I’m innocent and I did not commit these crimes. And that will never change.”
Smith's words drew a brief round of applause that was countered by someone on the victims' side shouting, "Becky deserves justice, too."
Hope when this was uttered, there was an APPLAUSE:
"Becky deserves justice, too."
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Thx for the update Niner
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Riverside County Sheriff Stan Sniff's wife, Jennifer Sniff, is Riverside County's TOP fingerprint forensic technician and employed by the Riverside County District Attorneys Office. She testified during the Pinyon Pines Triple Murder Trial that she examined the business card that was used to wrongly convict Robert Pape and Cristin Smith.
She testified at trial that there was NO MATCH for either Robert Pape or Cristin Smith.
She was also NOT allowed to examine the card for a match to suspect number #1, Javier Garcia, because Javier's father works for the District Attorney's office and by his election meddling while on duty elected our current DA.
The County paid for a second opinion, and what do you know? For the money, someone was willing to put two innocent guys in prison for the remainder of their lives.
She testified at trial that there was NO MATCH for either Robert Pape or Cristin Smith.
She was also NOT allowed to examine the card for a match to suspect number #1, Javier Garcia, because Javier's father works for the District Attorney's office and by his election meddling while on duty elected our current DA.
The County paid for a second opinion, and what do you know? For the money, someone was willing to put two innocent guys in prison for the remainder of their lives.
Re the comments/evidence in post #596:
1. Apparently either it didn't rate a mention in KESQ's comprehensive tweet-based coverage** of the case (which seems odd, given its significance), or they weren't allowed to report it.
2. If this evidence was presented at the trial, as stated, then the jury supposedly had the opportunity to consider it, after which they (whether rightly or wrongly) nonetheless reached a guilty verdict.
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"9:01 AM - May 18, 2018
Jeff Moore calls up ninth witness of the day, Jennifer Sniff. Sniff is a forensic technician for Riverside County DA's Office. Worked for RSO, had experience as a fingerprint technician
9:05 AM - May 18, 2018
Forensic technician identifies picture of business card found near the Friedli home. Purple on card identifies amino acids, according to technician"
1. Apparently either it didn't rate a mention in KESQ's comprehensive tweet-based coverage** of the case (which seems odd, given its significance), or they weren't allowed to report it.
2. If this evidence was presented at the trial, as stated, then the jury supposedly had the opportunity to consider it, after which they (whether rightly or wrongly) nonetheless reached a guilty verdict.
**
"9:01 AM - May 18, 2018
Jeff Moore calls up ninth witness of the day, Jennifer Sniff. Sniff is a forensic technician for Riverside County DA's Office. Worked for RSO, had experience as a fingerprint technician
9:05 AM - May 18, 2018
Forensic technician identifies picture of business card found near the Friedli home. Purple on card identifies amino acids, according to technician"
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New trial petition circulates for Robert Pape and Cristin Smith
From local news: a petition has started circulating requesting retrial
From local news: a petition has started circulating requesting retrial
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That red truck! Is there really no information?
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